As a Green Arrow player I would have to agree. I feel his sky alert (db1) that shootes arrows upwards, counters DD's Supernova very nicely for a full juggle combo. I dare say that GA can even do this pre emptively as it hits DD even when he is above the visible part of the screen.My only bad MU´s are so far: Green Arrow.. i seriously dont know what to do vs him, Aquaman same as GA keepaway is good if player knows what hes doing and lastly Superman well he is SUPERman lol
Heavy list of match-ups, I'll just throw my 2 cents on Deathstroke.As a Doomsday main, I have trouble with several matchups and would like to know if you guys have any advice at all. Anything helps.
-Deathstroke:
What is the best punish you can get off his wakeup sword flip? I've been resorting to just sweeping in an online environment. Is there a move that will beat it out on wakeup such as earthshake? I've been respecting his wakeup more than I feel I should simply because it is online. I feel this is usually a pretty easy or at least even matchup, but I'd love to know optimal options to ruin his wakeup game even more.
As a Doomsday main, I have trouble with several matchups and would like to know if you guys have any advice at all. Anything helps.
-Batman:
I guess my main question for this matchup is "Is there any other option on Batman's jump-in than to simply read it and anti-air grab?"
-Superman:
Does Doomsday have something he can buffer to beat out some of Superman's common frametraps?
-Sinestro:
Am I supposed to simply block and walk forward until he burns all his meter?
-Deathstroke:
What is the best punish you can get off his wakeup sword flip? I've been resorting to just sweeping in an online environment. Is there a move that will beat it out on wakeup such as earthshake?
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Thanks for reading, guys. Anything info is helpful. I really love Doomsday, but I'm getting really frustrated in about 3-4 of these matches and have been considering picking up a sub to counter them, but can't really find one.
GL:Fellow DD-ers,
GL:
- Gattling gun fucks up so many options for getting in, i cannot use trait effectively and I end up wasting it most of the time. If GL sees you traiting, he will do the machine gun and its over when he has meter you wasted your trait right there. it's completely safe too, on block the pushback is too great to do any punish.
- Crossup after knockdown is risky, he catches me with the ring lift thing and I eat big damaging combo. the hurtbox on the ring lift is stupid, it goes over his head. Ermac could be crossd up, even Noob upshadow can be crossed up but this one is impossible i think.
GA:
- I truly believe this is his worse matchup, there is just no way of getting in on GA.
- is there a way to escape the Super setup? i lose 100% of health from 2 combos in round2 most of the time if he has full meter. GA doesnt really need to use MB on his specials, so he saves it for the super gimmick setup or whatever. I cant escape that shit!
Shiite, i didnt know this! Nice one there!j.2 is going to be important since it will beat GA j.3 clean and you can hit confirm into Venom for wall carry
the MB version of the gattling gun covers 90% of the screen ... even full screen I think. i tried activating trait from full screen and GL would go into MB gattling gun. i'm pretty sure he was catching me with it.GL:
Gatling Gun does mess up trait pretty bad however the move does not go full screen. I found that traiting from this safe distance and burn meter for MB Supernova while he is spamming Gatling Gun. Now since trait makes supernova relatively safe it's great gimmick to get in, but that's all it is just a gimmick. The real thing is for to make the GL worried that you're going to do it again so you can try a MB Venom instead.
Thats why you do a regular supernova to make him waste meter, remember the supernova meta game!if GL has meter he will MB B3 as you land (if not having trait or if the trait wears off by the time you land from the sky)
Personally I find anyone who can do a lot of fast hits vs Doomsday can be problematic, because you can't just mb all day everyday to get through them and they usually end up winning trades because most of DD's moves are somewhat slow but have great range., even with his trait because you are constantly being somewhat stunned against really fast hits. I find the flash a real pain in the ass too sometimes.I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about Nightwing!
That works on most Zoners, just be wary of gl using trait cancel ex gatlin. He really shuts down doomsday pretty hard, combined with supernova being punished by ex b3.I haven't fought any Ravens as Doomsday but I think it's safe to assume that you should do the usual for zoners and lame it out until you get his trait(if you don't have it) tackle through her bullshit. Once you're in make sure she doesn't get out, lock that ass down and push her the nearest corner and try to 50/50 her. His down, forward + 2 special move(the ground slam) is great in the corner as it hits twice, once as an overhead and again as a low.
until someone with good execution picks up black adam you havent seen shit of what he can really do.Ok, after some research, DD's possible bad MU's atm are imo: Superman (6-4), Batman (6-4), Nightwing (6-4), BA (6-4). Dunno about Aquaman yet, i need to play against Cimmerian's Aquaman to see whats up there. So in total, 4 bad MU's for DD atm, 5 if Aquaman is counted amongst them. Some of those COULD be even though (Superman and Batman for example), if the DD player plays smart. Especially the Superman MU, after the nerfs Superman got, seems much more easier to win. In general i m holding up really well against Superman and Batman, but NW's and BA's zoning and frame traps got me really curious as to why those characters projectiles havent been nerfed yet. I mean, with BA, having full screen 19% dmg low projectile with +9f (?) on block is stupendus at best. And dont even get me started about his chip dmg with his trait up close, his frame traps up close, his spacing control which covers the ENTIRE screen and the fact that all of his special moves are safe on block. His throw, if done perfectly, deals 23% dmg with trait, which is ridiculous. Same applies with NW's staff stance. Once he enters staff stance, DD cant pretty much even touch him. Also his trait doesnt help him at all in the particular MU. GGA Jeremiah, Qwark28.
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until someone with good execution picks up black adam you havent seen shit of what he can really do.
i dont wanna go on about how balanced BA is but i think doomsday could go even with him.
nightwing is even, d1 can be dealt with and his punishes are mediocre when it comes to backdashes in staff stance
pezis doomsday, den boris na thes nerfs gia otidipote bori na se kani na exis slight disadvantage...
So you're telling me you're gonna decide a matchup number based on being eliminated by a NW when you yourself said you've only played against NW 3 times? How about when I tell you DD does just fine when I've played the same NW for hours upon hours?So wait, let me get this straight... You are saying that BA is BALANCED compared to the majority of the cast ?! NW - DD is not even, because of the range of his attacks when in staff stance. And the reason he has mediocre combo damage in his staff stance is because everything he does is +f on block and has incredible range... Take that into account as well. Pick up DD and play vs a GOOD NW and you ll see what i mean. Same applies for DD vs BA as well. The reason i m saying these things is because these two particular characters dont affect only DD, but the entire cast as well. If you believe that BA and NW are balanced then you really need to google what balance in fg's really mean...
( Paizeis BA, de mporeis na les oti o xaraktiras sou einai mia xara kai de thelei nerfs. H mlkia pou ekanes panta, akoma kai sto MK9, einai oti evlepes panta ta pragmata apo ti diki sou tin pleura kai gia auto den exeis apopsi gia tpt. Kai o DD den exei elpida an o BA paiksei lame. )
BA shits meter for breakfast. Also you realize that lighting cage also has AA properties yes ? You really should stop and listen sometimes seriously. How are you going to whiff punish BA, when everything he does is safe or +f on block, when the hit box of his specials is ridiculous and not consistent, his spacing is, at the moment, the best in the game and when he has a fucking low projectile which deals 19% dmg on hit, 6% dmg on block, has a phantom hit box and builds a hell of a meter ? Dont give me all that "he needs meter" bullshit cause you know that ain't true. You played NW - DD online or offline ? Cause DD is S+ tier online. And i wasn't eliminated by a NW player, i was eliminated by a Sinestro player. Did you see me say anything about that ? No, because it was a GOOD match to watch, not a match when i was forced to block everything the opponent was throwing at me because NRS couldnt tweek these two stupid characters. It is different you see. The majority of the cast has stupid things, but NW and BA outweigh them all. I also said in my first post POSSIBLE bad MU's. But as always you missed that part. I stated my facts for the DD - NW based on what i saw today and it wasnt only against me. NW pretty much destroys the entire cast on the highest level.So you're telling me you're gonna decide a matchup number based on being eliminated by a NW when you yourself said you've only played against NW 3 times? How about when I tell you DD does just fine when I've played the same NW for hours upon hours?
BA will be perfectly handled when people learn to whiff punish or jump lightning cage on wakeup and realise he needs meter to do all that "overpowered" shit.
Compared to the majority of the cast? No. Compared to the top 10? Fuck yes.
There are A LOT of characters that go even with BA. Doomsday might be one of them.
(den me niazi ti lei kanenas sto dojo, fai de fai nerf, ego me black adam tha nikao.)
I did read your post and I did reply. I don't think NW should even be considered as a bad matchup for DD. I know how NW works and I know his tools because I've played and watched several NWs. He's annoying and he's stupid if you don't know how to deal with his shit. DD has the tools to beat him just fine.BA shits meter for breakfast. Also you realize that lighting cage also has AA properties yes ? You really should stop and listen sometimes seriously. How are you going to whiff punish BA, when everything he does is safe or +f on block, when the hit box of his specials is ridiculous and not consistent, his spacing is, at the moment, the best in the game and when he has a fucking low projectile which deals 19% dmg on hit, 6% dmg on block, has a phantom hit box and builds a hell of a meter ? Dont give me all that "he needs meter" bullshit cause you know that ain't true. You played NW - DD online or offline ? Cause DD is S+ tier online. And i wasn't eliminated by a NW player, i was eliminated by a Sinestro player. Did you see me say anything about that ? No, because it was a GOOD match to watch, not a match when i was forced to block everything the opponent was throwing at me because NRS couldnt tweek these two stupid characters. It is different you see. The majority of the cast has stupid things, but NW and BA outweigh them all. I also said in my first post POSSIBLE bad MU's. But as always you missed that part. I stated my facts for the DD - NW based on what i saw today and it wasnt only against me. NW pretty much destroys the entire cast on the highest level.
Lighting cage has enough of an AA hitbox to catch cross-ups. Corrected you there. You said yourself that his lighting cage has full invincibility frames, so how can BA be pressured on wakeup ?? You dont make sense, or you just dont know what you are talking about...I did read your post and I did reply. I don't think NW should even be considered as a bad matchup for DD. I know how NW works and I know his tools because I've played and watched several NWs. He's annoying and he's stupid if you don't know how to deal with his shit. DD has the tools to beat him just fine.
I'm not gonna bother trying to reason anymore because you're just gonna ignore everything I say, BA is beatable. You think he's stupid? Yes, he is. OP? No.
I m not ignoring what you are saying, i m just countering it, and you are annoyed by it. Simple as that.
Lightning cage has enough of an AA hitbox to catch random derps who don't respect wakeups and just jump on knockdown. The hitbox is pretty small and pretty beatable. Adam can be pressured on wakeup just fine.
I play black adam. I know under which conditions it AAs. It has 54 recovery frames on whiff. A well timed jump beats both the cage and a backdash. Doomsday in particular will force black adam to respect venom on wakeup when he has meter.Lighting cage has enough of an AA hitbox to catch cross-ups. Corrected you there. You said yourself that his lighting cage has full invincibility frames, so how can BA be pressured on wakeup ?? You dont make sense, or you just dont know what you are talking about...
Name them. Also you havent played any NW's with DD offline. So no, you dont know what you are talking about on this subject.
I m not ignoring what you are saying, i m just countering it, and you are annoyed by it. Simple as that.