Again I'll ask, why is the 1 3 ender better than Boot Stomp ender for crossup oki?
what boot stomp ender?
Boot Stomp ender should be superior to 1 3 even with the untechable knockdown, it does more damage and you get the exact same crossup options even if they roll. The only time you can abuse an untechable knockdown is if they're in the corner so you can go for a double crossup.
What boot stomp ender...? boot stomp is the name of his divekick
I'm sorry but did you even read the OP?
I did read the first post about the "vortex" part. I didn't understand anything, you say do b23 u1 then boot stomp? Or b23 u1 without ending it into a crossup? It's really not clear at all.
No. There are many midscreen combos listed which end in Far Boot Stomp, not U1+3. These are his oki setups. I even labeled them as such, so I'm not sure how I can make it clearer.
Yes, it's one of the first combos listed in the OP, which is why I asked if you read it.
My bad, i tend to skip combo sections when i know the best bnbsNo. There are many midscreen combos listed which end in Far Boot Stomp, not U1+3. These are his oki setups. I even labeled them as such, so I'm not sure how I can make it clearer.
In any case, after ending in Boot Stomp, you hold forward and see if they roll (they always should if they're smart), and then jump forward with J2/Close Boot Stomp mixup, or Far Boot Stomp to make their AA whiff, or land and sweep, or whatever. If they don't roll, you can jump forward and have a Close/Far Boot Stomp mixup, or jump straight up and cross up with J2 at some ranges, you have to experiment. This part I maybe should add to the OP because it seems like people aren't sure what to do after a knockdown, but Vulcan Hades already has a good thread on this subject.
As far as the usefulness of the untechable knockdown, you need to realize that in this game, rolls are a fixed distance and a fixed time, and they are reactable. Letting the opponent roll is fine as long as you have options to cover the roll.
Yes, it's one of the first combos listed in the OP, which is why I asked if you read it.
i know what hes saying, im saying id rather sacrifice damage i can get from simple chip to attempt a 55% and mentally strain my op/force mistakes.
Exactly, if I can sacrifice a little bit of damage, which still results in a 40-50% combo depending btw, for another setup that could produce another 50% show me the way oh shepard.
Except you don't, because what you posted is inferior to what's listed.
If "observing what the opponent does" is situational for you, then you probably shouldn't be playing fighting games. The roll is incredibly easy to react to. You're absolutely right about the untechable knockdown mattering against certain characters, but this is something that's going to take a lot of experimentation to figure out the absolute best oki setup against each character.
It's not just good in terms of jump in though is my point. Off of untechable knockdowns you can just do a raw instant air ex dive kick and if done correctly it crosses up for combo. If it's blocked you get free pressure anyway. That will only work off of 13 or sweep too, I'm pretty sure off of anything else wake ups beat it. I do agree though ending combos with dive kick is still very good too.Except you don't, because what you posted is inferior to what's listed.
If "observing what the opponent does" is situational for you, then you probably shouldn't be playing fighting games. The roll is incredibly easy to react to. You're absolutely right about the untechable knockdown mattering against certain characters, but this is something that's going to take a lot of experimentation to figure out the absolute best oki setup against each character.
Joker8417 I guess what I'm trying to say is that the 1 3 ender is not significantly safer against most of the cast. The big difference is that you get to be further behind them, which matters if they have an invincible wakeup with a high forward hitbox. If they do, that's fine, use 1 3 or B2 3, U1+3. But Boot Stomp is superior in most cases.
Yeah. No point in arguing this, I just don't like when people say things are bad despite never having tried them or understanding the purpose behind them.
Celerity Oh this is just good positive discussion on my end bro' lol. I agree though and I also use a little bit of everything. I'm not trying to start anything.
when youre playing in an important match you want what is easier even if you have to sacrifice a little damage, consistency above everything. its easier and more reliable to dial in a jump or slightly delayed jump to get your safe-depending-on-the-matchup mixup than risk fucking it up, thats my point.Except you don't, because what you posted is inferior to what's listed.
If "observing what the opponent does" is situational for you, then you probably shouldn't be playing fighting games. The roll is incredibly easy to react to. You're absolutely right about the untechable knockdown mattering against certain characters, but this is something that's going to take a lot of experimentation to figure out the absolute best oki setup against each character.
Joker8417 I guess what I'm trying to say is that the 1 3 ender is not significantly safer against most of the cast. The big difference is that you get to be further behind them, which matters if they have an invincible wakeup with a high forward hitbox. If they do, that's fine, use 1 3 or B2 3, U1+3. But Boot Stomp is superior in most cases.
I found better F2 punishes that cost no meter:Celerity said:
i didnt say anything is bad, i said I prefer the 13 setup
F2, 1 1 xx T, B2 3, U1+3 - 36% listed right above that one. Looks like I forgot to show the trait damage in the metered version though, which brings it up to 41%.
