Tom Brady's and REO's Early Injustice: GAU Tier List

[M2Dave]

All you have to do is stop the gimmicks at the beginning of the round and cyborg is lunch meat

And d,f+2 can be stuffed... Besides b+1,2,3 is safe on block without the cancel but his range on his string are terrible... The theory on his iafbs is busted till someone can do that 100%... Much like doing just frame egf in tekken with kazuya... I might be tripping when I said he is bottom 5 damn if there arent better characters like hawkgirl who can stop that strategy and expose his many weaknesses when someone with good mid screen tools ...

I can see if I was on some trolling stuff and ignorant to his strengths but I can tell you now that gimmicks dont outlast an overall well rounded character.. Not to mention gimmicks get nerfed usually and he needs that gimmick badly

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I am not sure what gimmicks you are referring to. The strings have poor range but all leave Cyborg at +3 on block. You can also cancel into the grapple and run away.

Cyborg is fine the way he is at the moment. He is a character that is execution heavy in a game where most of the characters are very simple to use. That is his biggest "weakness".

 

[Alexandru Pascu]

Preach!

I would say this game focuses heavily on spacing and can favor zoners but in no this is a game heavily for zoners.. I have yet to see anyone get zoned out completely in tournaments. Its not as easy to zone a person when they know how to move in.. Which is the majority of high level play.

The only time I got zoned out by anyone was a Deathstroke that really flippin' knew his stuff and it was still because I made a couple a bad calls and he had a couple of good reads. I was frustrated but as soon as the match was over it was quite obvious there were at least 3 opportunities when we were both under 40% HP for me to close to gap but I either did something wrong or didn't take the chance. I have never felt like it was impossible to do anything about any one character except when you are outplayed which is how it should be. Whenever I lost I lost because the other guy was better or you know playing as Doomsday(that is the only char that frustrates me to the point where I can't think straight and make stupid choices). I main Superman because he's by far my favourite comic book character although I seem to do just fine with Green Arrow, , Sinestro, Nightwing and and Green Lantern and there hasn't been even one match where I didn't feel like I could've won if I played better or was a better player overall. Match-up handicaps can be overcome in most cases.

 

[Hellbringer]

Ares's defense and AA ability are very weak.

Armor? You mean MB b+3 / f+3? These moves are too slow for most characters and only absorb one hit.

The only great armor move in this game is Grundy's Walking Corpse.

If ares had a descent wakeup and AA he would be ++s tier. But for now im sure he will move up in the tier list cause too many underestimate him.

 

[Jimmypotato]

This Green Arrow Up Playing needs to stop

 

[JLG]

oh well trust me its impossible here to build ur own succes by urself u need at least 5 years trying

Good luck to you. I hope you can develop your community in to one that has tournaments at least once in a while. If you have love for the game and are willing to search for others who also feel the same, then your scene can grow. Where I am, most people are Marvel players and I respect how they used Facebook, public radio, and other resources to get the word out about their tournaments. They started very small, but now they get like 20-30 people playing.

 

[lebanese boy]

Good luck to you. I hope you can develop your community in to one that has tournaments at least once in a while. If you have love for the game and are willing to search for others who also feel the same, then your scene can grow. Where I am, most people are Marvel players and I respect how they used Facebook, public radio, and other resources to get the word out about their tournaments. They started very small, but now they get like 20-30 people playing.

since im still only 18 years i need 2 much work but i always do online tournaments just to get more experience and i have a clan that im the leader of that clan and yeah my dream when i grow is to make tournaments and i think i will do it

 

[Rockwood]

Well I get that list, except I've never played against Black Adam, so I was not thinking he is THAT good. Heard that he has really high dmg output tho.
Nice to see that they consider my lovely Solomon as an A+
Also, was thinking that Ares is a bit higher, he has pretty nice mobility, combos and overall dmg, his trait is pretty good and fits his combos nicely (I dunno about axe, but even I can do a decent combo with a sword). His zoning is not that bad too, so why he is so low? I am a newb so no offense, just want to know why.
I get why Bane is lowtier - his dmg and combos are good but he is so immobile and "stiff" so he is barely playble in current metagame I think (I like him tho, he is fun), but Lobo? Is he THAT bad? Thought better of him.

 

[Danno]

Yeah, wouldn't make too much sense... Joker being up there in the B tiers lol.

Have you even tried to play as the joker for more than 5 minutes? He is actually pretty decent character. Trait is useless but his projectile game is underrated. Wait until someone shows up with him at a tourney and does well.. then he'll move up

 

[JLG]

Have you even tried to play as the joker for more than 5 minutes? He is actually pretty decent character. Trait is useless but his projectile game is underrated. Wait until someone shows up with him at a tourney and does well.. then he'll move up

I really hope Alex Valle sticks with Joker because he's already getting pretty good with him. It was a little heartbreaking to see him lose badly, though, at WNF.

 

[Danno]

I really hope Alex Valle sticks with Joker because he's already getting pretty good with him. It was a little heartbreaking to see him lose badly, though, at WNF.

I remember when Jax was the worst toon by far, now.. the best(arguably). I feel Joker could definitely be a sleeper character that has potential.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I remember when Jax was the worst toon by far, now.. the best. I feel Joker could definitely be a sleeper character that has potential.

Jax was never the best, ever.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Jax was never the best, ever.

Footsies Lao and Bird Lao wish they could win a real tourney like Jax.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Footsies Lao and Bird Lao wish they could win a real tourney like Jax.

Kung Lao won tournaments, wtf are you on?

The only reason Jax EVER won tournaments is because nobody in the USA was punishing his strings properly, even to the end of the games lifespan. That and Tyrant/CDJr we're just stronger fundamentally.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Kung Lao won tournaments, wtf are you on?

Kung Lao? Footsies Lao and Bird Lao

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Kung Lao? Footsies Lao and Bird Lao

'Bird Lao' never entered a tournament, so obviously.
IDK about this 'Footsies Lao' you're on about specifically, he has enough options to play a spacing game as it is. Whereas Jax didn't, considering thats who we're actually talking about.

If you're even trying to compare Jax to Lao, did you know that Lao has a 5050 attempt of getting a full combo EVERY SINGLE TIME Jax presses ANY button next to him?

But I'm done talking about MK9.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

'Bird Lao' never entered a tournament, so obviously.

I'm just ragging on you because you're still ragging on my favorite character Lao is fine -- Bird Lao is the Ecila of tournament strategies, though.

Anyway, back to Injustice.. I hope a Cyborg gets you off at EVO.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I'm just ragging on you because you're still ragging on my favorite character Lao is fine -- Bird Lao is the Ecila of tournament strategies though.

Anyway, back to Injustice.. I hope a Cyborg gets you at EVO.

I'm not gonna be @ EVO, hopefully next year

I'm one of the few that has actually played a Cyborg though. Its bullshit, but WW can deal with his zoning fine.

 

[RedHurricane24]

Official or not, I can dig it.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Characters like Black Adam, Batman, Doomsday, Nightwing, and many more are all top tier characters with a very good rush down game and limited zoning abilities.

I think you are just mad that you can longer frame trap people with the same move over and over again.

Batman safe batarangs (at work dont have frame data in front of me but have faster recovery than most zoning options in the game) MB for huge plus on block into more FTs. Also there are these things called BATS that you press button 4 to receive. Not to mention grapple

Black adam - Limited zoning abilities? Dave G T F O here, 19% +3 on block mb lightning? Smoke cloud into 40% combos? Safe zoning dive kick (yes dk can be used in terms of zoning as a counter zoning tool ) thats +9 on block and leads to free pressure into mb lightning or safe ender.

Nightwing - Again SIR G T F O here, +18 mb staff pound low that leads to 35-38% combos. Safe reg low ground pound. Escrima evades and counters ds' guns and sets up staff switch to pound into big damage. Have you NOT seen b1 in staff? That alone is a zoning tool.

Superman - Laser Show ...period (combine with always available trait)

Doomsday - You're right he has limited zoning properties as he should, wtf should he have a full screen boulder toss or something like ares projectile.

Im beginning to think you havent really played injustice

 

[itskrd-eppostar]

Ill stay with kf anyway..no matter what the list say's

 

[TAS_DASH]

This is one of the biggest problems with Americans in the fighting game community. I don't mean this in any disrespectful way to Reo and Brady, as I believe they are very knowledgeable and they have said as of CURRENT this is their educated OPINION. Tier lists means being played at OPTIMAL level, 2 characters being played by 2 people with equal skill, who will win.

There is tech out there that people aren't doing yet in tourneys that I have seen locally. Look at street fighter 4. Seth is low tier until Poongko (S Korean)shows how to use him at optimal level. Hakan is trash until that dude in Japan won a huge tournament. Now all you hear is "oiled up Hakan is the best player in SF4." In Japan people don't let tier lists dictate who they use. They stick to their characters and use them at optimal level. I understand some are easier to use at optimal levels than others, but that doesn't make them worse or lower tiered. Di3minion (top 3 sf4 player in US) said it best when he stated he went to Japan and there are people there who are masters with the worst characters who will body you. He only won 60% of his match-ups and they use every character. My point is tier lists don't scare them off of their mains. One of the worst tier list games is Third Strike and Chris G has won using Sean who is way worse than Lobo or Bane. Keep this in mind folks.

PS people have said that they have not seen Cyborg's instant air fireballs done consistently. I've seen it done enough to be super effective. However, the player used a hitbox.

I personally think
1. This game is a heavy matchup based game
2. Everyone has universal tools that can help in any match-ups.
3. Certain stages benefit certain characters
4. Everyone is viable even Bane and Lobo.
5. Joker, Lex and Harley are better than people think.
6. Ease of use should not effect a tier list. (Joker / Lex require creative minds. Bane is a hard character to use, but in time when someone manages venom effectively, we'll see)

 

[ColdBoreMK23]

I was watching Sabins stream last night and there was a guy in his KOTH using cyborg that was zoning heavy with cyborg and all he was doing was IAfB. Most people didn't know what to do but then Sabin picked Sinestro and if he wasn't drunk he would have beat him.

I can say that the best character to outzone him so far is Sinestro. Seems like he has good options to punish his bullshit full screen.

I would also like to see a good Cyborg player go against a character with a teleport like Ares.

I'd like to hear Wound and Pigs opinion on the Sinestro/Cyborg MU at this stage.

 

[ceemurda]

I was watching Sabins stream last night and there was a guy in his KOTH using cyborg that was zoning heavy with cyborg and all he was doing was IAfB. Most people didn't know what to do but then Sabin picked Sinestro and if he wasn't drunk he would have beat him.

I can say that the best character to outzone him so far is Sinestro. Seems like he has good options to punish his bullshit full screen.

I would also like to see a good Cyborg player go against a character with a teleport like Ares.

I'd like to hear Wound and Pigs opinion on the Sinestro/Cyborg MU at this stage.

Watched that stream too and that tier whore aloune sensei got his cyborg bodied free by catwoman... Only decent cyborg was jailhouse from the cyborg forums and he barely won ...
No bodied was really doing anything s tier impressive with cyborg.. Just jump back fireball and ground fireball sometimes missiles..

And when people got in they would do meter burn b+3.. Lol

Do all of us cyborg players a solid and take him down to bottom five and put superman as the best character in the game seeing that it makes more sense

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[M2Dave]

Batman safe batarangs (at work dont have frame data in front of me but have faster recovery than most zoning options in the game) MB for huge plus on block into more FTs. Also there are these things called BATS that you press button 4 to receive. Not to mention grapple

Black adam - Limited zoning abilities? Dave G T F O here, 19% +3 on block mb lightning? Smoke cloud into 40% combos? Safe zoning dive kick (yes dk can be used in terms of zoning as a counter zoning tool ) thats +9 on block and leads to free pressure into mb lightning or safe ender.

Nightwing - Again SIR G T F O here, +18 mb staff pound low that leads to 35-38% combos. Safe reg low ground pound. Escrima evades and counters ds' guns and sets up staff switch to pound into big damage. Have you NOT seen b1 in staff? That alone is a zoning tool.

Superman - Laser Show ...period (combine with always available trait)

Doomsday - You're right he has limited zoning properties as he should, wtf should he have a full screen boulder toss or something like ares projectile.

Im beginning to think you havent really played injustice

No one ever said that some of these characters do not have solid projectiles. They do, but that does not make them zoning characters. Sonya has a safer projectile recovery than Freddy, yet she is not a zoning character. Black Adam's and Nightwing's tools in particular revolve around anti-zoning.

But who the hell zones with Batman and Nightwing unless they fight Grundy? Do not make me tag REO in here so he gets a good laugh from your post. Superman is the only character from your list that zones well, but he is arguably the most versatile character in the game and I never doubted his abilities.

 

[ceemurda]

I am not sure what gimmicks you are referring to. The strings have poor range but all leave Cyborg at +3 on block. You can also cancel into the grapple and run away.

Cyborg is fine the way he is at the moment. He is a character that is execution heavy in a game where most of the characters are very simple to use. That is his biggest "weakness".

yea they leave him plus on block if he doesnt get his short limbs stuffed by other characters he sits above on the tier list.. High excution? Since when is it hard to do iafb ground fireball? Only thing hard about cyborg is its hard to win with him against a decent player..

hawkgirl is a high execution character or atleast in this game...tbh there are no high execution characters in this game but thats coming from a viper player and a guilty gear head so it might be high execution to other people

I really just think this tier list is a hoax to make people not wanna play the better characters like supes, aquaman, batman, and green lantern..


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