General/Other The Deathstroke Anti-Nerf Coalition

[Khaoz77]

I will join this coalition proudly. Deathstroke is a ZONING character, so he has to have STRONG ZONING. It is way too early to call him broken or cheap when the tech hasn't been discovered. At the rate the saltiness is going, Deathstroke is going to become another Sentinel, and I will not stand for it. I get blown up plenty of times using Deathstroke, so he is VERY beatable.

I don't know about any of you, but if a character was giving me problems, I play them in training mode, download ALL their strengths and what I cannot punish/deal with personally, and come up with counter strategies to make the matchup easier for me.

I do not want to see my best character get nerfed, no way in hell I will let that happen.

 

[InFlames]

I might just pick up Deathstroke to embrace the salt. I feel in about a year or so he'll be the Noob Saibot of Injustice and will go down the whole "he can't zone" phase.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

I don't want to see him nerfed. the games is only a week old, are we really gunna start crying already? Adaptation>nerfing your problems away.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

I will join this coalition proudly. Deathstroke is a ZONING character, so he has to have STRONG ZONING. It is way too early to call him broken or cheap when the tech hasn't been discovered. At the rate the saltiness is going, Deathstroke is going to become another Sentinel, and I will not stand for it. I get blown up plenty of times using Deathstroke, so he is VERY beatable.

I don't know about any of you, but if a character was giving me problems, I play them in training mode, download ALL their strengths and what I cannot punish/deal with personally, and come up with counter strategies to make the matchup easier for me.

I do not want to see my best character get nerfed, no way in hell I will let that happen.

agreed. I don't even play deathstroke, hes actually a harder match up for me, as a catwoman player, but Im still able to beat deathstrokes. people need to think more about how to go against him then begging for a silly nerf. personally i don't even think hes top five.

 

[Impractical Joker]

They're going to leave this game regardless. There is not a single person who wants to take this game seriously that won't figure out how the game works. It's been a week since this game came out and people are getting so angry they shit themselves in a game where the general fundamentals have yet to sprout? Get the fuck out of here, NRS knows he's fair and they know how MK was; they appease the scrubs while screwing over actual legitimate players only for those same garbage random to demand someone else be crushed too.

It's frankly insulting you think NRS will repeat MK9 and kill characters instead of pumping life into others(you know, like they said they would?) Give it some time for the characters(that nobody's using) to be figured out because there are characters FAR better than Stroke.

If Slade gets nerfed and I still win I'm sending hate mail to everyone who loses to me online. If you lose to Kano 2.0 you deserve to be mocked.

Chill the fuck out dude, I loved MK9 and I love Injustice but NRS is a business and they will make decisions that will keep people playing the game until DLC comes out and they will probably sell Scorpion as a DLC character because he will sell the best. If you don't understand that a business is going to try to make money by appealing to the casual crowd then you are a dumbass. NRS will either make buffs to get in, at the least a small dash buff, or nerf some of the better zoning characters but less than they did Kano this time. If people don't think the game is fun because of Deathstroke then they won't feel the need to buy the DLC or possibly even the next Netherealm game.

 

[M2Dave]

So what does that have to do with 16 bit?

I was replying to the post you quoted.

Why can't someone complain about a character having something broken even if they play as that character? A tiny nerf to DS zoning will not break him. Or NRS could even go another way, they could buff his rifle shot and nerf some of his up close game. If MK9 came out today all of you guys that want to fight nerfs so badly would be saying that Kung Lao's Low hat and spin are totally fine just learn the game bro. Also I am expecting a tiny nerf to Doomsday's body splash move and his string that does 7% chip, and I am all for that. Nerfs are totally fine as long as they aren't drastic.

Would slightly less block stun on DS shots be absurd? No, it would just allow the opponent an easier chance to dash after they block it.

The community knew how good the low hat was as Perfect Legend had just won Evolution 2011 and REO dropped Mileena for Kung Lao.

I said I would take no issues with Deathstroke being toned down if he ends up being overpowered. But aside from online gameplay and scrubs, what are the real reasons as to why Deathstroke's needs to be toned down? No one has done anything with this character yet. Everything is based on first week reactions, which ruined characters like Kano and Jade. And I do not want them to ruin Deathstroke because some people believe he might be too powerful.

 

[RYX]

Chill the fuck out dude, I loved MK9 and I love Injustice but NRS is a business and they will make decisions that will keep people playing the game until DLC comes out and they will probably sell Scorpion as a DLC character because he will sell the best. If you don't understand that a business is going to try to make money by appealing to the casual crowd then you are a dumbass. NRS will either make buffs to get in, at the least a small dash buff, or nerf some of the better zoning characters but less than they did Kano this time. If people don't think the game is fun because of Deathstroke then they won't feel the need to buy the DLC or possibly even the next Netherealm game.

Except the people that do leave will never match the people staying. They will still sell and then sell more, whether or not little scrub Jimmy can use the simplest mechanics to beat a character doesn't affect their wallets. You can complain about it but Ed Boon is still counting his money.

Scorpion would not sell better than the Martian and there would be a lot of negative backlash from other groups. I'd still buy him but others? Can't be so sure.

Please, people will still buy DLC and even more will buy the next NRS game. I don't even need to back this up; unless Injustice somehow ruins its image, NRS is just fine.

Tl;Dr knee jerk reactions are bad.

 

[Impractical Joker]

Except the people that do leave will never match the people staying. They will still sell and then sell more, whether or not little scrub Jimmy can use the simplest mechanics to beat a character doesn't affect their wallets. You can complain about it but Ed Boon is still counting his money.

Scorpion would not sell better than the Martian and there would be a lot of negative backlash from other groups. I'd still buy him but others? Can't be so sure.

Please, people will still buy DLC and even more will buy the next NRS game. I don't even need to back this up; unless Injustice somehow ruins its image, NRS is just fine.

I would not be so sure that more or the casuals stay than leave. The casuals will always out number the serious people playing tye game. If these people feel the game isnt fun due to these characters then they will go back to COD. The trick is balancing the game's quality as a fighting game with its appeal to the casuals in order to get the casuals and the fighting game crowd to buy the DLC. I'm not sure that Deathstroke will be nerfed but I'm pretty sure that some mechanic of the game will make getting in a bit easier like accelerating the slower characters walk speed.

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

sign me up

 

[Fidoskin]

Who are want to nerf Deathstroke omg. He is free
Best regards. Bane player.

 

[RYX]

I would not be so sure that more or the casuals stay than leave. The casuals will always out number the serious people playing tye game. If these people feel the game isnt fun due to these characters then they will go back to COD. The trick is balancing the game's quality as a fighting game with its appeal to the casuals in order to get the casuals and the fighting game crowd to buy the DLC. I'm not sure that Deathstroke will be nerfed but I'm pretty sure that some mechanic of the game will make getting in a bit easier like accelerating the slower characters walk speed.

I like this post because you kept mature about it, thank you

It's a shitty truth that people like to just pick up a game and not learn its intricacies but I can understand the casual approach, but I hate that it can dictate character viability.

We can disagree with each other but we can hug it out bruh.

 

[aldazo]

... NRS is a business and they will make decisions that will keep people playing the game until DLC comes out ... NRS will either make buffs to get in, at the least a small dash buff, or nerf some of the better zoning characters but less than they did Kano this time. If people don't think the game is fun because of Deathstroke then they won't feel the need to buy the DLC or possibly even the next Netherealm game.

I really hope you're right, but still people have to speak their minds about deathstroke and zoning, the game have to be appeal to the casual players and it doesn't mean that it will ruined or break the game for "pros", the game could be fun for casual but deep enugh for pros, the fear to get new kanos has to be overcome.

 

[M2Dave]

I would not be so sure that more or the casuals stay than leave. The casuals will always out number the serious people playing tye game. If these people feel the game isnt fun due to these characters then they will go back to COD. The trick is balancing the game's quality as a fighting game with its appeal to the casuals in order to get the casuals and the fighting game crowd to buy the DLC. I'm not sure that Deathstroke will be nerfed but I'm pretty sure that some mechanic of the game will make getting in a bit easier like accelerating the slower characters walk speed.

If you appeased the casual audience, you would be nerfing characters three years from now. Casual gamers moan and whine about every single top tier strategy in the game.

 

[aldazo]

If you appeased the casual audience, you would be nerfing characters three years from now. Casual gamers moan and whine about every single top tier strategy in the game.

thats not true, casual players dont ask much, just a fun game, but when they can't overcome another casual player spamming deathstroke bullets then you have a problem, a business problem because you target audience will be mad.

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

Well then DS supporters can stop stoking the flames by yelling to level up and deal with it and begin the process of figuring it out.

So what you're saying is we need to hold people hands and teach them how to beat our character? Last time I checked that was their job not mines. I'm not going to rub their belly and tell em everything is gonna be okay.

 

[RYX]

I really hope you're right, but still people have to speak their minds about deathstroke and zoning, the game have to be appeal to the casual players and it doesn't mean that it will ruined or break the game for "pros", the game could be fun for casual but deep enugh for pros, the fear to get new kanos has to be overcome.

IF we do get nerfs/buffs I really hope they aren't as severe as MK. LBSH the knee jerk reaction patches killed what could have led up to years more hype with more viable characters and steady buffs for the ones a little behind.

I think Injustice will do things differently and I have high hopes NRS doesn't kick me in the nuts.

 

[Impractical Joker]

If you appeased the casual audience, you would be nerfing characters three years from now. Casual gamers moan and whine about every single top tier strategy in the game.

Of course they're going to whine about everything but at the beginning of the game NRS still has to appeal to them in order to sell their DLC. Later in the game's life they aren't getting anymore money for the game so they are more willing to let this stuff play out as they are working on their new game and can attempt to do one last patch to make the game perfect for the tournament crowd. That's just the way I see it and I hope Deathstroke will not be nerfed but I expext Cyborg's IAFB to be toned down and either more recovery on Deathstroke's guns or a faster walk speed to compensate.

 

[RYX]

So what you're saying is we need to hold people hands and teach them how to beat our character. Last time I checked that was their job not mines. I'm not going to rub their belly and tell em everything is gonna be okay.

Didn't 16 Bit do this exact thing with Kitana? People still haven't labeled up though,

I think a guide on it would be helpful for DS players and strugglers alike.

 

[Khaoz77]

So what you're saying is we need to hold people hands and teach them how to beat our character. Last time I checked that was their job not mines. I'm not going to rub their belly and tell em everything is gonna be okay.

+1

It's THEIR fault if they don't want to find strats to beat something they can't deal with. That's like bringing a knife to a gun fight and complaining because you can't get passed the gun.

 

[M2Dave]

thats not true, casual players dont ask much, just a fun game, but when they can't overcome another casual player spamming deathstroke bullets then you have a problem, a business problem because you target audience will be mad.

Apparently, they also cannot overcome Doomsday's trait, Killer Frost's slide, and Raven's soul crash (AKA week one complaints).

If NRS listened to every single detail casual gamers cannot "overcome", the games would be trash and we would have patches every week.

 

[aldazo]

IF we do get nerfs/buffs I really hope they aren't as severe as MK. LBSH the knee jerk reaction patches killed what could have led up to years more hype with more viable characters and steady buffs for the ones a little behind.

I think Injustice will do things differently and I have high hopes NRS doesn't kick me in the nuts.

I'm hoping the changes will be enoguh to please casual players without broken the game for "pros", it will depend of the team at NRS, but it is important to bring the issue to the table and talk about it, I really hope smart players like Reo and Tom change their attitude and help NRS to bring more balance for casual gamers and "pros" alike.

 

[RYX]

+1

It's THEIR fault if they don't want to find strats to beat something they can't deal with. That's like bringing a knife to a gun fight and complaining because you can't get passed the gun.

I don't think that's very fair, either. They are overreacting a bit but are we no better if we say there's a way to get around our character but not push them in the right direction? It would only hold everyone, even us, back.

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

Didn't 16 Bit do this exact thing with Kitana? People still haven't labeled up though,

I think a guide on it would be helpful for DS players and strugglers alike.

You wanna make a guide well this could be the opening to the 1st paragraph . STOP JUMPING!!!!

 

[Throwback]

I would not be so sure that more or the casuals stay than leave. The casuals will always out number the serious people playing tye game. If these people feel the game isnt fun due to these characters then they will go back to COD. The trick is balancing the game's quality as a fighting game with its appeal to the casuals in order to get the casuals and the fighting game crowd to buy the DLC. I'm not sure that Deathstroke will be nerfed but I'm pretty sure that some mechanic of the game will make getting in a bit easier like accelerating the slower characters walk speed.

Actually the whole 'must appease casuals' is a fallacy.

The vast majority of casuals are influenced (in the long run) by where the pros are playing. A lot of casuals will leave citing Deathstroke, but the truth is that they were going to leave anyway for whatever reason they could find. Balancing the game around top-level play is absolutely crucial because it keeps the tourney scene big. Then what happens is that casuals come back to it periodically, spend a bunch of money on DLC, leave for something else, come back, etc etc.

If you want proof, look at SF4 which is the most balanced FG I have ever seen (decision pending on IGAU...)

Appeasing casuals is an economic death sentence to the future of a FG.

 

[aldazo]

Apparently, they also cannot overcome Doomsday's trait, Killer Frost's slide, and Raven's soul crash (AKA week one complaints).

If NRS listened to every single detail casual gamers cannot "overcome", the games would be trash and we would have patches every week.

it is not the same with deathstroke, casual players dont spam with doomsday, KF or Raven, if you chek gamefaqs and other forums you will not notice too much talk about them, it is deathstroke that bring the issue and generate the complaints because it is easy for casuals to spam with the guns. Using Doomsday, KF or Raven is not that easy for them.