Injustice - More Content than MK9 and Urbano Says, "We spent two years focused on netplay"

[CrimsonShadow]

I have a great connection in games like AE 2012, VF, SFxT, MvC3, UMK3, 3S, and other fighters, as well as FPS's (but FPS's don't count). And my internet isn't very good at all. Yet in MK9 it's gutter trash and almost 100% unplayable.

I think this was the crux of the issue; it's that we know it's possible to have good online player in a fighter, because there are other fighters that do it.

That being said, they still have a fair bit to prove to the buying public ..

They have a lot to prove to the buying public? Nope. MK9 sold millions of copies and was critically acclaimed. They really have very little to prove to the public at large. It's just a small niche of people that are highly critical and extremely picky, and make little difference in sales of the game.

Overall, netplay has never been a top priority -- and now it sounds like it's being given the utmost priority, so anyone who thinks there won't be a noticeable improvement is off their rocker imo

Also remember that MK9 -> Injustice is much less of a drastic shift programming-wise than MKDC->MK9.. That means that NRS should have more time to focus on getting the details right, and that's what the developer comments reflect.

 

[BenGmanUk]

I think this was the crux of the issue; it's that we know it's possible to have good online player in a fighter, because there are other fighters that do it.



They have a lot to prove to the buying public? Nope. MK9 sold millions of copies and was critically acclaimed. They really have very little to prove to the public at large. It's just a small niche of people that are highly critical and extremely picky, and make little difference in sales of the game.

Fair point. Okay to put it more accurately they have something to prove to the people aware of the previous issues as well as the FGC in general. NRS made HUGE steps from their previous efforts but MK is still largely shunned by the FGC for the reasons we all know, i.e. p1 advantage, netcode, resets, hitboxes etc.

I've no doubt Injustice will sell extremely well regardless of any flaws it may or may not have.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

... but MK is still largely shunned by the FGC for the reasons we all know, i.e. p1 advantage, netcode, resets, hitboxes etc..

I think honestly, MK was shunned by the FGC before this.. And that people were looking for reasons not to like it, and they found some. I think that longtime Capcom players aren't excited about the idea of accepting a Mortal Kombat game as being tourney-viable in the first place.

Even if Injustice has none of those issues, 'FGC' people will still complain about "dial-a-combo" etc.

All I know is.. If MK9 was 'shunned by the FGC' and still had almost 100 people at Dallas, 100+ at NEC, and hundreds of people at EVO, then maybe 'the FGC' is overrated.

 

[AssassiN]

I think honestly, MK was shunned by the FGC before this.. And that people were looking for reasons not to like it, and they found some. I think that longtime Capcom players aren't excited about the idea of accepting a Mortal Kombat game as being tourney-viable in the first place.

Even if Injustice has none of those issues, 'FGC' people will still complain about "dial-a-combo" etc.

All I know is.. If MK9 was 'shunned by the FGC' and still had almost 100 people at Dallas, 100+ at NEC, and hundreds of people at EVO, then maybe 'the FGC' is overrated.

Weren't the reasons more "there are no footsies, easy combo's, not as technical as SF and no trades"?

 

[BenGmanUk]

Weren't the reasons more "there are no footsies, easy combo's, not as technical as SF and no trades"?

I think its partly that and partly the reasons crimson pointed out. There's no doubt MK had an uphill battle with getting a good reputation but these were reasons formed because of previously bad games and players have every right to be critical. NRS have gone some way to changing this and Injustice will be their next chance to raise the bar once again.

There are players that don't like MK purely because its not from Japan but you'll never convince people with this mentality to pick it up.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Weren't the reasons more "there are no footsies, easy combo's, not as technical as SF and no trades"?

I think there will always be excuses. Look at the all the love DOA/VF gets over here.. Absolutely none. Haha.

MK reminds me of unpopular kids trying to get accepted by 'the cool kids' in school.. They didn't realize that, no matter what they did, the cool kids would always make fun of them, because 'the cool kids' get off on putting other people down.

Capcom fans love Capcom-style games.. And they spit on almost everything else. So I don't think 'the FGC' is the problem -- it's mainly people wanting to be loved by Capcom fans.

Capcom fans don't love you -- and as long as NRS chooses to be an individual and not become a SF-clone (and I'm glad they are!), people will find reasons to complain about the games.

So I say, screw em.. Do your own thing, and be proud of it. Stop asking Capcom fans to love you and start loving yourselves and building up your numbers through community, hard work, and positivity. Then one day.. maybe the Capcom fans will want you to love them instead

 

[Zoidberg747]

Netplay hardly affects the scene for a game. MvC3 had awful netplay when it came out and even after patches and a re-release the netplay still isn't that great but tons of people play it in tourney. On the flipside, Skullgirls has some fantastic netplay but hardly anyone shows up for tourneys.

So while it may help for people that don't have dedicated, offline scenes for their game or need consistently good online partners it will hardly cause a surge of players in offline tournaments.

Yeah but if you have awesome netplay people are happy with just staying at home instead of going to tourneys. While with super shitty netcode everyone makes more of an effort to go offline.

I still hope the netplay is better in injustice.

 

[RYX]

I hope Deathstroke is lag friendly.

 

[THTB]

MVC3 survived due to how many people play Capcom fighters. They have the largest following in America, bar none.

Most other games fizzle out if the online is dismal, even when they're good games.

 

[Ninj]

I'm still 100% certain I won't be buying this game until other people do and inform me of the netcode and gameplay imbalances

 

[Solid]

I think there will always be excuses. Look at the all the love DOA/VF gets over here.. Absolutely none. Haha.

MK reminds me of unpopular kids trying to get accepted by 'the cool kids' in school.. They didn't realize that, no matter what they did, the cool kids would always make fun of them, because 'the cool kids' get off on putting other people down.

Capcom fans love Capcom-style games.. And they spit on almost everything else. So I don't think 'the FGC' is the problem -- it's mainly people wanting to be loved by Capcom fans.

Capcom fans don't love you -- and as long as NRS chooses to be an individual and not become a SF-clone (and I'm glad they are!), people will find reasons to complain about the games.

So I say, screw em.. Do your own thing, and be proud of it. Stop asking Capcom fans to love you and start loving yourselves and building up your numbers through community, hard work, and positivity. Then one day.. maybe the Capcom fans will want you to love them instead

You said it brother. We need to stop seeking the approval of the Capcom assholes and do our own thing. It's true mk has it's issues but so do the Capcom games ESPECIALLY their heralded Third Strike (which is totally unbalanced). For me the best fighting game out there right now is Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown altough it being 3D and NO Capcom game can compare to that one in terms of balance and depth. So i don't see why those fanboys think so highly of themselves in the first place. The only thing the Capcom scene has over MK is that they started earlier and ONLY because of that it's bigger. That's it. We are different and proud. I will quit MK if it ever transforms itself in a boring AE2012 kind of game where the objective in the end will almost always be to land those stupid Ultra's. Like MK Injustice will be it's own game. Whether we like it or not depends on how balanced and deep and fun it will be. What I've seen so far i do Like and if Injustice is viable for competition I will take it up seriuosly.

 

[Zoidberg747]

You said it brother. We need to stop seeking the approval of the Capcom assholes and do our own thing. It's true mk has it's issues but so do the Capcom games ESPECIALLY their heralded Third Strike (which is totally unbalanced). For me the best fighting game out there right now is Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown altough it being 3D and NO Capcom game can compare to that one in terms of balance and depth. So i don't see why those fanboys think so highly of themselves in the first place. The only thing the Capcom scene has over MK is that they started earlier and ONLY because of that it's bigger. That's it. We are different and proud. I will quit MK if it ever transforms itself in a boring AE2012 kind of game where the objective in the end will almost always be to land those stupid Ultra's. Like MK Injustice will be it's own game. Whether we like it or not depends on how balanced and deep and fun it will be. What I've seen so far i do Like and if Injustice is viable for competition I will take it up seriuosly.

VF is the best and most balanced fighting game out there to date. The only reason I dont play it anymore is because no one else does.

 

[Frostbarrier]

I have:
36 Down
8 Up
.2ms ping
Wired
Plays 1v1 O N L Y
3 man private koh at max

People who complain about mk online have
Wireless
Less than 20 down
less than 2 up
Play 7 man KOHs while streaming
and lose a lot and need an excuse

Sorry but truth isnt always good to hear

edit: I have Comcast Cable and pay i think $60-70 for internet a month w promotion. Why? Cause I want a damn good connection and fast ass internet and thinking of when i get my new job (hopefully) upgrade more

Good luck with the New Job buddy ... and btw, if you're going to play Injustice ... I'm getting a US copy as well ... so u better watch yourself

 

[AssassiN]

Yeah but if you have awesome netplay people are happy with just staying at home instead of going to tourneys. While with super shitty netcode everyone makes more of an effort to go offline.

I still hope the netplay is better in injustice.

You've got a point, I know I started playing offline tournaments due to online being crappy.
If online was good then I would have never bothered, I'm glad I did go to offline tournaments.

 

[Compbros]

MVC3 survived due to how many people play Capcom fighters. They have the largest following in America, bar none.

Most other games fizzle out if the online is dismal, even when they're good games.

Like MK, which had some horrific netcode but still manages to get the 3rd-5th most entrants 20 months later? Or KoF, which was unplayable but still is one of the top games played internationally? How about P4A, which people said was as bad as KoF but still has a strong showing at tournaments despite being an "anime" game?

On the flipside you have SGs, like I mentioned, that has great netplay but nobody plays it. TTT2, which has very good netplay but barely surpasses MKs numbers at tournaments, and even lower sometimes, despite being relatively new. Blazblue? Good netcode, who's playing it?


Again, online hardly affects a thing.

 

[BillStickers]

Jimmypotato STB CharlieMurphy

 

[Zoidberg747]

Like MK, which had some horrific netcode but still manages to get the 3rd-5th most entrants 20 months later? Or KoF, which was unplayable but still is one of the top games played internationally? How about P4A, which people said was as bad as KoF but still has a strong showing at tournaments despite being an "anime" game?

On the flipside you have SGs, like I mentioned, that has great netplay but nobody plays it. TTT2, which has very good netplay but barely surpasses MKs numbers at tournaments, and even lower sometimes, despite being relatively new. Blazblue? Good netcode, who's playing it?


Again, online hardly affects a thing.

Or maybe since TTT2 online is so good no one bothers traveling to play it when they can get a good experience on their own couch? Not saying online is comparable to offline, but with a good online less people will be willing to take the plunge into the offline scene.

P.S: I have always found the SCV and TTT2 netcodes to be extremely overrated. VF5FS is much better imo.

 

[Compbros]

Or maybe since TTT2 online is so good no one bothers traveling to play it when they can get a good experience on their own couch? Not saying online is comparable to offline, but with a good online less people will be willing to take the plunge into the offline scene.

P.S: I have always found the SCV and TTT2 netcodes to be extremely overrated. VF5FS is much better imo.

I don't think that's as much a factor but I definitely see things like that happening.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Come on Pig, that's a weak argument. Any shit netcode will seem great if you have an awesome connection.

I literally can not play MK9 online because of the netcode, in addition to living in Japan with a garbage connection that is my ONLY choice (3 down, .4 up). No exaggeration, 9 times out of 10 the game drops connection at character select. It takes almost 15 to 20 minutes just to find a game that won't auto disconnect, sometimes I never do and just give up. And curiously I don't have this level of frustration with any other fighting game, or any online video game period. Only MK9 has this terrible issue.

Imagine only being able to play the game you love most with 3, maybe 4 people online, ever (keep in mind virtually nobody plays this game in Japan, so no offline events). You'd be kind of pissed too. 99% of the people whining about online have not a damn clue how bad it really is. At least most of you can actually play the game.

For the record, NRS is my favorite developer ever and I love everything they've done, but I will not eat up whatever they feed me just because they're NRS. That's exactly how great devs like them go to shit. I want them to make good on their promises, and that's why I'm not buying Injustice until I see that they've fixed what they said they would (or at least made a genuine effort). NRS messed up BIG time with MK9's netcode, and don't ever let them stop hearing about it until they've actually fixed it.

Dude




You have 3 down and .4 up?!?!?!?!?!?!? YOU WOULD LAG IN INTERNET CHECKERS man

Is this how all Internet is in Japan? You can't possibly expect any game developer to use your speed as a benchmark test. I'm telling u ahead of time injustice will be terrible on your Internet connection. I can't imagine doom 2 running well on it.

Ill say this, if you pay cheap for t mobile then your service will be ass just like it is if someone pays cheap for dsl

Most scenarios you get what you pay for but I don't know Japan's Internet options and availability

Mk9 net code isn't perfect but one thing I do know is when both parties have good Internet it's great and the players w better Internet I've noticed do better at tourneys

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Having a good internet doesn't mean the netcode isn't bad. All it means is that you have good internet. Some people can have a good experience with MK9's netcode by having a good internet and playing other people with good internet or someone close to them. However, you shouldn't be required to have anything but average internet speeds in order to have a quality experience playing online. I have a great connection in games like AE 2012, VF, SFxT, MvC3, UMK3, 3S, and other fighters, as well as FPS's (but FPS's don't count). And my internet isn't very good at all. Yet in MK9 it's gutter trash and almost 100% unplayable.

The people with stated good internet speeds don't encounter these horrid connections nearly as often, so they attribute the bad experience to the players ISP and their Up/Down and Ping or countless other specific conditions. And yet, these same players with their same "shitty" internet have wonderful experiences in many other fighters or other games in general.

IMO on all accounts wireless should be banned and not allowed as well As there should be requirements of speed to e allowed to play online so people w 1 down 1 up aren't lagging out servers

 

[GrandMasterson]

You have 3 down and .4 up?!?!?!?!?!?!? YOU WOULD LAG IN INTERNET CHECKERS man

Is this how all Internet is in Japan? You can't possibly expect any game developer to use your speed as a benchmark test. I'm telling u ahead of time injustice will be terrible on your Internet connection. I can't imagine doom 2 running well on it.

Ill say this, if you pay cheap for t mobile then your service will be ass just like it is if someone pays cheap for dsl

Most scenarios you get what you pay for but I don't know Japan's Internet options and availability

Mk9 net code isn't perfect but one thing I do know is when both parties have good Internet it's great and the players w better Internet I've noticed do better at tourneys

The ISP on base has a monopolizing government contract so no other ISPs can come in and compete. So yeah, I pay $40 a month for that garbage with no alternatives. This will be changing soon though.

My point was that despite my shitty connection, MK9 is the only game that gives me this kind of problem. I don't expect the netcode to be perfect, but I want to be able to at least play the game, even with a lot of lag. I don't care. I just want to play the game. Let me stress again that sometimes I can't even get past the character select 90% of the time, and I don't have this problem with other fighting games.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

The ISP on base has a monopolizing government contract so no other ISPs can come in and compete. So yeah, I pay $40 a month for that garbage with no alternatives. This will be changing soon though.

My point was that despite my shitty connection, MK9 is the only game that gives me this kind of problem. I don't expect the netcode to be perfect, but I want to be able to at least play the game, even with a lot of lag. I don't care. I just want to play the game. Let me stress again that sometimes I can't even get past the character select 90% of the time, and I don't have this problem with other fighting games.

I'm not trying to be rude but if I ha that connection I wouldn't want to get past the screen selection

 

[Euphoric]

I have 25 Down/5 Up and I play Juggs and Johnny2D and the netcode feels like ass. I don't know why.

Maybe I gotta play others with good nets too?

Only person where the internet was decent was Vagrant and that nigga is from Illinois.

 

[GrandMasterson]

I'm not trying to be rude but if I ha that connection I wouldn't want to get past the screen selection

I've spent ungodly amounts of time in practice mode and challenge tower because of it. Shao Khan CPU is a little bitch in MK9 compared to how he used to be

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I have 25 Down/5 Up and I play Juggs and Johnny2D and the netcode feels like ass. I don't know why.

Maybe I gotta play others with good nets too?

Only person where the internet was decent was Vagrant and that nigga is from Illinois.

thats because juggs internet is ass as is Johnny2d

johnny has one of the worst

and if im wrong id like them to tell me the following

do they has wireless?
do they have dsl?
post internet speed