Peckapowa
Champion
yeah i wasnt disagreeing and i got that... plus that shit gets stuffed sometimes and i know u know about flash parry
yeah i wasnt disagreeing and i got that... plus that shit gets stuffed sometimes and i know u know about flash parry
*raises hand* ooooh meeeeeeeeeee
So are you saying that because while kenshi does do very very well against the bottom tier characters, it is irrelevant because they are not tournament viable, so it does not up his tier position? I'm starting to agree with the idea that he is not as bad as we think, but i'm still not quite sure yet. This could clear that up some.
thats what I would like to know lol
he has a shitty teleport and his armor is useless. that's why he is top 15
How is D4 broken or dumb? It's a poke that leads to other offence just like every other poke in the game. Mileena has the same D4 but noone says shit about her. Not to mention Kitana has a 6f D1 with the same range. Sure it doesn't cancel into anything, but at 6f, who cares? You can just whip that shit out as much as you please until you get bored and throw a Cutter in there.
Kartwheel is ast the same time the best tool and the biggest gimmick in the entire game. Yeah it's a safe launcher but it's easier than shit to hit her out of it after 20 frames. Hell, a simple jump kick will take her out of it (believe me I know the AI does that shit CONSTANTLY 
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How is D4 broken or dumb? It's a poke that leads to other offence just like every other poke in the game. Mileena has the same D4 but noone says shit about her. Not to mention Kitana has a 6f D1 with the same range. Sure it doesn't cancel into anything, but at 6f, who cares? You can just whip that shit out as much as you please until you get bored and throw a Cutter in there.
And let's not forget that both moves can be baited and punished.
It really comes down to this: How many majors has Sonya won? How many minors? Other than the ones Death goes to, how many locals even has Sonya won? Exactly. Sonya isn't broken. People would rather whine than figure out how to beat her shit.
But, in an effort to get this thread back on track, I now think that the Sheeva players are the most downplaying of players. You guys need more faith in that 4-armed beast
her d4 is NOTHING like any other d4s. on hit or block, she's guaranteed to be in your face afterwards. no other d4 grants that. mileena's d4 is a nuisance because it lowers her already small hitbox even lower, but the shit she gets from it is laughable compared to what sonya gets from hers. the difference between kitana's d1 and sonya's d4 is that kitana's d1 is punishable. i can't believe u just said i can whip it out as much as I please.How is D4 broken or dumb? It's a poke that leads to other offence just like every other poke in the game. Mileena has the same D4 but noone says shit about her. Not to mention Kitana has a 6f D1 with the same range. Sure it doesn't cancel into anything, but at 6f, who cares? You can just whip that shit out as much as you please until you get bored and throw a Cutter in there.
And let's not forget that both moves can be baited and punished.
It really comes down to this: How many majors has Sonya won? How many minors? Other than the ones Death goes to, how many locals even has Sonya won? Exactly. Sonya isn't broken. People would rather whine than figure out how to beat her shit.
But, in an effort to get this thread back on track, I now think that the Sheeva players are the most downplaying of players. You guys need more faith in that 4-armed beast
d4 is +12 on hit neutral on block and jails into MS shenanigans. Kitana's d1 is -1 on hit -15 on block, doesn't jail into anything except cutter on standing hit.
Its rare to see someone hit her out of it even though it is possible and if the opponent doesnt read it or is afraid to njp you can just throw out another ex-cartwheel. This move hits out on the 22nd frame right? So you're telling me I have a 2 frame window, or 1/30th of a second to perfectly time a jumpkick to hit her out of it?
Unless you have a quick advancing tool thats safe and hits mid and leaves you at a positional advantage, you aren't beating the d4 unless the Sonya player is stupid with their spacing.
By that logic, Kenshi is okay because only Pig does well with him. People doing well with that character does not equate with that character's viability.
Sheeva sucks.But, in an effort to get this thread back on track, I now think that the Sheeva players are the most downplaying of players. You guys need more faith in that 4-armed beast
Mileena's d4 doesnt let her get right next to you at plus 1 on block with the ability to check with a safe launcher afterwards, plus a 7f(now 6 because you are at plus 1) jab and a move to beat the one thing to stop that in the divekick to beat pokes. And no kitana's d1 is punishable, you throw that out at the wrong time and you are getting full combo'd whether you cutter or not. And ex cartwheel is a reactionary tool, who cares how you cn beat it because a good sonya will mostly throw it out when you cant jump kick it or whatever, whether it is on reaction to a slow normal and leads to a full combo, or a situation where you will have at least have to block it where she is only at negative 3. Guess what, negative 3 with a 7 frame jab (now 10) and a move to beat pokes is pretty damn good against most characters who do not have 9 or faster frame mids. Sonya is kinda broken dude.How is D4 broken or dumb? It's a poke that leads to other offence just like every other poke in the game. Mileena has the same D4 but noone says shit about her. Not to mention Kitana has a 6f D1 with the same range. Sure it doesn't cancel into anything, but at 6f, who cares? You can just whip that shit out as much as you please until you get bored and throw a Cutter in there.
And let's not forget that both moves can be baited and punished.
It really comes down to this: How many majors has Sonya won? How many minors? Other than the ones Death goes to, how many locals even has Sonya won? Exactly. Sonya isn't broken. People would rather whine than figure out how to beat her shit.
But, in an effort to get this thread back on track, I now think that the Sheeva players are the most downplaying of players. You guys need more faith in that 4-armed beast
...that too.Jax upplaying deserves an honorable mention
Great minds think alike my friend.
Its not a blow up, its simple education. He has been given the knowledge so its up to him whether or not to use it.
no i didnt mean it like that lol. when i said blow up, i meant like we all just bombarded him with info lol. it was awesome.
lololololol I do want to however address the Kitana downplaying, what ARE we downplaying?
Is reptile down played? Everyone was saying he was the biggest down played char earlier.
why? just...why?
I agree. @Trepound stop using this costume pls
