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Match-up Discussion Kung Lao Match-Up Chart December 2012

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Burn_the_ city
Illmatix said:
dude try it some time it's kinda fun, and i want to see a good johnny vs. a good lao zoning him out. dude seriously, it's actually quite braindead to zone him out... kung has so many tools.
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lol... what are you smoking dude? I play this MU every fucking day and is not fun at all. KL low hats have a huge recovery now and Jc fast dash doesnt help either. You cant telekick for shit cuz d1 into full combo for resets... kl is all risk and jc 0 risk.

watch Dizzy vs PL and then come and talk to me.

 
Illmatix

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TargetAudience said:
lol... what are you smoking dude? I play this MU every fucking day and is not fun at all. KL low hats have a huge recovery now and Jc fast dash doesnt help either. You cant telekick for shit cuz d1 into full combo for resets... kl is all risk and jc 0 risk.

watch Dizzy vs PL and then come and talk to me.
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dude 24 overhead has no risk!!! dont tele! only ex to stay out of the corner bro you'll be good, i mean of course he's looking to punish tele.... isn't every character? if 24 overhead stops him from coming on the ground and spin stops him from the air, what does he have? and oh course don't low hat at jump distance.
these are the rule's you must never break in this match up until johnny respects them, then you can sneak in a tele or a close low hat.
 
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Illmatix said:
dude 24 overhead has no risk!!! dont tele! only ex to stay out of the corner bro you'll be good, i mean of course he's looking to punish tele.... isn't every character? if 24 overhead stops him from coming on the ground and spin stops him from the air, what does he have? and oh course don't low hat at jump distance.
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jc can punish 21 overhead with shadow kick or ex nut punch in between...
 
Illmatix

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TargetAudience said:
jc can punish 21 overhead with shadow kick or ex nut punch in between...
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24 over head , and sometimes i do 24 throw into forward 2 to to bait wakeups after throw. plus if he starts to respect your spacing you can just dash in and throw him.
 
Illmatix

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dude he's rushing him..... im not saying i could play better but if PL played it different he could of done it... plus they said he took more risks.... on pit lol this doesnt really prove me wrong so far
TargetAudience im still watching the vid does he mix it up later?
 
ForeverKing

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After playing GGA Dizzy in casuals for like 2 hours straight with Kung Lao vs Cage this weekend, I would say throughout that whole duration I went 4-6 vs him, although they were all close matches coming down to the last hit every time. There were alot of weird clutch endings too lol. I'm going to leave that matchup as is

Idk the casuals might have been 5-5 but I still feel like it is 4-6 Cage
 
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Death

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FOREVER KING said:
After playing GGA Dizzy in casuals for like 2 hours straight with Kung Lao vs Cage this weekend, I would say throughout that whole duration I went 4-6 vs him, although they were all close matches coming down to the last hit every time. There were alot of weird clutch endings too lol. I'm going to leave that matchup as is

Idk the casuals might have been 5-5 but I still feel like it is 4-6 Cage
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I just saw your chart in the OP. Looks really good and an actual real KL chart. Most KL charts out there are seriously downplayed. I can see KL having the slight edge vs Mileena and Skarlet.
 
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Death said:
I just saw your chart in the OP. Looks really good and an actual real KL chart. Most KL charts out there are seriously downplayed. I can see KL having the slight edge vs Mileena and Skarlet.
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Yeah I was actually about to change Mileena when I got home. Played Pig in some Mileena vs Kung Lao this weekend and I see the matchup differently now. I haven't had a ton of experience with Kung Lao vs Skarlet but I feel like Skarlet definitely has better options and a better chance against Kung Lao than most of the cast
 
Qwark28

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STB Sgt Reed said:
I still don't know how KL vs Sub isn't worse than 6-4. Feels hard as fuck. Even vs random ass Lao's.

Guess I just suck. lol
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imo its an obvious 7 3

a character whose only purpose is to get people in the corner and rape them senseless because thats all he can really do most of the time vs the most mobile char ingame not even mentioning pressure tools and ways of getting in
 
YOMI DJT

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pboardplayer said:
Sorry about the super delayed response. I am not on the here as much as I should be. I think the quan lao match-up is easily 5-5....with a tag line of "really annoying for kung lao". I wouldn't say 6-4...because lao can hold his own in this mu. If the quan player is patient and knows how to expose lao with his ultra fast uppercut. quan can pretty much duck and uppercut EVERYTHING lao does...from his 1121, 21 and his teleport. The lao player must take a different approach. No teleports and no randomness its a much more methadical approach. Picking and choosing when to rush down, when to back off and when to use meter. Because 1 screw up=death.(if quan has meter) To sum it up, quan prevents lao from being lao.

Like I said, thats just from my experiance in playing good quan players who know that mu. 5-5(super annoying for kung lao)
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lao wins it 6-4. the quan can make it look 5-5 but lao wins it
 
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pboardplayer said:
This is just my opinion. I use ermac as a secondary to kung lao. I know the lao match up very well. I think ermac does very very well against lao. He shuts lao down. Consider this....

if lao teleports....ermac can uppercut...to lift and get 30 percent or more everytime so the teleport is null i that mu. Ermacs force push prevents lao from dive kicking in and starting pressure. With this you create a chicken game keeping lao at full screen....he will be cautious to teleport and dive kick in and be constantly holding block..wating for a force push....in which the ermac player can dash in and throw or pressure. Blocked dive kick=48 percent or more. blocked spin equals 40 percent and up too. Also ermac can duck and uppercut all of laos strings...such as 1121 and 21. So it can be difficult to pressure him. Ermac just has to be patient.

And YES ermac can punish 212121. with a 12 lift. It is my personal opinion that ermac has an advantage in that mu...I would label it a 6-4 ermacs favor. However this is just my opinion from experiance. Does anyone have some new light on the subject? Thoughts anyone?
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i'm real bias against ermac. I think lao wins it but 5-5 is very possible
 
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Illmatix said:
ok so let's talk about johnny cage vs kung lao.... i just started using kung against my bro's johnny and my god.... kung lao's zoning is underrated ! you got those low hats to make him jump, that long range overhead if he tries to crouch block in, and if you AA him with it it sends him full screen. if he approaches on the ground you got 24 overhead which out footsies f3, on hit sends him full screen and on block he cant't do shit cuz you can spin him on reaction. also he can't corner me because of ex tele lol. i think forever king is right dont try to pressure johnny, zone him out it's pretty hilarious.
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that's an illusion kl vs jc is jc favor 6-4 not even
 
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