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New UMK3 Tier List? (update for 2012)

ded

Elder God
You could say the same for Reptile and Nightwolf man. There is no one in the world who can convince me Reptile is not top 5. My opinion, of course.
 

nwo

Noob
Is it safe to say that most Kitana players who utilize the instant air fan, usually have multiple directional buttons assigned? (like 2 up buttons) I don't use Kitana, but I know its similar to Kabal's instant fireball.
 

Lex

MKKhanzo: Ded is from Bulgary jahha
I've lost count on how many players have recently made top eight with Kitana. CD, NoDoubt, Marvirrasta, Konqrr, etc. How many Kung Lao players have made top eight, let alone top three every tournament? This is US, of course.
basically you haven't played me yet, and probably will not be able to - which is why you will never understand kung lao.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
basically you haven't played me yet, and probably will not be able to - which is why you will never understand kung lao.
How can Kung Lao be a top 5 character when he has a 7-3 at BEST match-up against Kabal?

I know Kung Lao doesn't need the infinite to win. If he did, he would be bottom tier because you're not landing the infinite at high levels very often. His dive kick shenanigans may be a lot to handle if you're bad at spacing and footsies, or are just generally not used to Kung Lao's going crazy on you. But if you realize the correct spacing and can defend his gimmicks, unless he gets some lucky teleport combos or gets that random spin to start the infinite, he's going to have trouble winning.

This is really just against the top 5, or at least, the characters I believe are top 5. Kabal, Human Smoke, Ermac, Kitana and Nightwolf. I also think Robot Smoke and Reptile, while invisible, give Kung Lao a lot of problems because they often end up dive kicking into them while they're blocking.

Speaking of invisible Robot Smoke, I think invisible Robot Smoke is a top 5 character. Or rather, Robot Smoke becomes a top 5 character when he's invisible. And in tournaments, invisible robot smoke is even better since you can hardly hear the game at tournaments. No sound against invisible robot smoke = good luck.
 

Lex

MKKhanzo: Ded is from Bulgary jahha
How can Kung Lao be a top 5 character when he has a 7-3 at BEST match-up against Kabal?

I know Kung Lao doesn't need the infinite to win. If he did, he would be bottom tier because you're not landing the infinite at high levels very often. His dive kick shenanigans may be a lot to handle if you're bad at spacing and footsies, or are just generally not used to Kung Lao's going crazy on you. But if you realize the correct spacing and can defend his gimmicks, unless he gets some lucky teleport combos or gets that random spin to start the infinite, he's going to have trouble winning.

This is really just against the top 5, or at least, the characters I believe are top 5. Kabal, Human Smoke, Ermac, Kitana and Nightwolf. I also think Robot Smoke and Reptile, while invisible, give Kung Lao a lot of problems because they often end up dive kicking into them while they're blocking.

Speaking of invisible Robot Smoke, I think invisible Robot Smoke is a top 5 character. Or rather, Robot Smoke becomes a top 5 character when he's invisible. And in tournaments, invisible robot smoke is even better since you can hardly hear the game at tournaments. No sound against invisible robot smoke = good luck.
all i see are "lucky", and "random", and "gimmicks". play against better players.
 
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AC1984

Kaballin!
Kitana should go up without a doubt...I disagree about Kano 100%. The character has the one of the three best sweeps in the game and he punishes standing kicks, sweeps if executed right. He also has an amazing anti-crossup just like Kabal....Doesn't lead to a combo but it works....
Watch Kano Criminal, ded_ and hanzo.....
 

AREZ God of War

The Crazy BeastMaster
Kitana should go up without a doubt...
Should she go up without a doubt or should she go up NODOUBT? :p

I disagree about Kano 100%. The character has the one of the three best sweeps in the game and he punishes standing kicks, sweeps if executed right. He also has an amazing anti-crossup just like Kabal....Doesn't lead to a combo but it works....
Watch Kano Criminal, ded_ and hanzo.....
Go back to MK9, Scrub!!! We don't want your input, you Low-Level Player!!!! ;)
 

NoDoubt

nasty
I've lost count on how many players have recently made top eight with Kitana. CD, NoDoubt, Marvirrasta, Konqrr, etc. How many Kung Lao players have made top eight, let alone top three every tournament? This is US, of course.
thas cuz miss spin hasent gone yet 2 haul ass

XD
 

REO

Undead
basically you haven't played me yet, and probably will not be able to - which is why you will never understand kung lao.
It doesn't matter which Kung Lao users play me. I'm well aware of what the character is capable of in GOD mode. I don't care if someone shows up and beats me 10-0 with Kung Lao, just like I wouldn't if someone were to do it with Sektor. It will not change my opinion that I think Kung Lao is outside the top five.

thas cuz miss spin hasent gone yet 2 haul ass

XD
Miss Spin has a great Kung Lao, NoDoubt. But to be fair, I think Miss Spin would wreak even more havoc with her Kitana. I can't believe I missed her.


ded I don't think Reptile is top five, either. He seems too vulnerable to pressure once you're in, and there is no reason to do anything risky like jumping in order to defeat him. Sooner or later, you will get in and he is the one who is going to have to have a hard time. Why some people always rely on jumping to get in on Reptile is beyond me.


Top six, IMO:

1.) Kabal
2.) Human Smoke
3.) Ermac
4.) Kitana
5.) Nightwolf
6.) Reptile
 

Remz

https//:wavenet.remz.ca
Is it safe to say that most Kitana players who utilize the instant air fan, usually have multiple directional buttons assigned? (like 2 up buttons) I don't use Kitana, but I know its similar to Kabal's instant fireball.
A lot of players thinks that it's what I do but I swear that I do it 100% legit all the time (I still miss it a lot!!). I'm thinking about coming to NEC this year by the way and I would never practice playing Kitana in a way that I can't do on arcade or without cheating.
 

nwo

Noob
A lot of players thinks that it's what I do but I swear that I do it 100% legit all the time (I still miss it a lot!!). I'm thinking about coming to NEC this year by the way and I would never practice playing Kitana in a way that I can't do on arcade or without cheating.
I know some players can do these moves legitimately and I think Kitana is in the top 10 for sure.

If you're going to NEC let me know man.
 

summoning

Noncompliance to ASTM F 899-12 Standard
know whats funny? no matter what mk comes out and how long someone plays it for UMK3 still reigns supreme

so much kung hate in this thread , his 2 worst matchups are kabal and hsmoke. he is right where he belongs #3
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
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You're just ripping my heart out Brother. :( You don't think Arion playing Jade could rival Arion playing Kitana? Look how their move sets counter each other and she can't be Zoned at all really. Jade is good, man....I put her at #12-#13 above U Sub, Stryker, Scorp and maybe more. She beats all them, man. How else could #13-#18 say she isn't as good as them? Jade and Mileena advance on the Chessboard from whatever Kitana benefits from KJ/GJ, right? No difference among girls. But it matters to the rest of the cast, I'm sure. Any female ninja's GJ/KJ is among the best in the game. I can't even justify placing her below top 15 with anything. Nearly un-zoneable; PI lasts full-screen making her rushdown rival NightWolf nearly, IMO.
Arion is SICK with Jade.

How can Kung Lao be a top 5 character when he has a 7-3 at BEST match-up against Kabal?

I know Kung Lao doesn't need the infinite to win. If he did, he would be bottom tier because you're not landing the infinite at high levels very often. His dive kick shenanigans may be a lot to handle if you're bad at spacing and footsies, or are just generally not used to Kung Lao's going crazy on you. But if you realize the correct spacing and can defend his gimmicks, unless he gets some lucky teleport combos or gets that random spin to start the infinite, he's going to have trouble winning.

This is really just against the top 5, or at least, the characters I believe are top 5. Kabal, Human Smoke, Ermac, Kitana and Nightwolf. I also think Robot Smoke and Reptile, while invisible, give Kung Lao a lot of problems because they often end up dive kicking into them while they're blocking.

Speaking of invisible Robot Smoke, I think invisible Robot Smoke is a top 5 character. Or rather, Robot Smoke becomes a top 5 character when he's invisible. And in tournaments, invisible robot smoke is even better since you can hardly hear the game at tournaments. No sound against invisible robot smoke = good luck.
You forgot to add that he is suceptible to relaunchers, Offline he has no real answer to blocked sweeps/khs/lks, has NO way to escape LP rushdowns other than scoutable teleport with option selects (spears, dashes, axes, shoulders, up balls, green kicks, etc etc) and can ONLY ON KEYBOARD OR HITBOX do a defensive Spin against runjabs cause you can hold back while doing F D F on the KB to prevent to be thrown, and even so you will be karajabbing and he will eat full combo damage.

Really i have all my life playing UMK3 and will never accept Lao as a top 5, maybve top 10 even top 15. The relauncher thingie is tooooo much.

this is my opinion based on my experience and knowledge for the game. if you guys disagree with me, thats fine. i will not trying to convince you. maybe you guys are just much better than me ;)

I say the same, Im not good anymore at UMK3. Maybe the game has evolved as how I remeber it.
 

REO

Undead
So yeah, still waiting for accurate reasons as to why Kung Lao is specifically top three. All I've gotten so far are defensive responses like "ull never know cuz u didnt play me bro" or "i guess im not that good since u have the nerve to question kl's placement".
 

ded

Elder God
yeah, i'm not much into theoretical explanations and i dont want to bother with this stuff. i'm all about practice.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
So yeah, still waiting for accurate reasons as to why Kung Lao is specifically top three. All I've gotten so far are defensive responses like "ull never know cuz u didnt play me bro" or "i guess im not that good since u have the nerve to question kl's placement".
The passive aggressive responses are kinda funny though. "I guess the game really has evolved if KL isn't top 5", at least there's some wit here.

The thing about online is, you get to play such a greater number of opponents than you would offline. Offline you're restricted to people that are actually there, which in UMK3's case, isn't very many people. I've played against great Kung Laos, good Kung Laos, decent Kung Laos, average Kung Laos, and shitty Kung Laos. You can say my experience against Kung Lao doesn't count since it's online. If you want to discredit years of experience just because it was online, that's your choice. But I'm sure I made some kind of impression 2 years ago at NEC so that my word and experience count for at least a little bit. And how about REO? He's been to far more UMK3 tournaments than I have and has placed nearly top 3 in all of them. Let me clarify, has placed top 3 in most of them RECENTLY.

The tone of this thread suggests that the "OG's" are close-minded and won't even entertain the idea that the tier list they knew and used is not accurate anymore. Really the only person able to make some discussion on the subject is Shock, and I appreciate that.

Look, we're not here to say you guys were wrong. For the time, the tier list was accurate. It's different now, it has to be different. If it wasn't, then we would understand why Kung is top 3 and Kano is top 5. But we don't understand, because they no longer are top 3 and top 5.

I think the real problem is that the OG's don't feel it's necessary to take on this discussion. It's pointless to them and we can't change their minds anyway. This will sound disrespectful, but it's not it's intent... but you know what they say, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks".
 

REO

Undead
I agree a 100% with your post, Juggs. I really do not understand why certain players feel we are taking shots at them and feeling the need to defend themselves with passive aggressive comments. It's starting to become whatever, though. If some of you want to think Kitana is just a mid tier character, then by all means, go right ahead. When little Billy comes to a tournament and gets comments like "wow, you make Kitana look broken". I'll make sure to smile and go with the flow, because we all know Kitana isn't broken, it's definitely all the players who happen to main Kitana that have supernatural talent. Right?
 

ded

Elder God
And yes, it will be a passive aggressive comments, what do you expect? Writing giant posts with possible theoretical explanations?

Wasn't there a thread from an year ago (maybe less), how you guys wanted to ban karajabs from UMK3 because you thought it was broken? Now you are saying Kitana is top 3 because she can karajab and low aafn, Kung Lao, Kano and Reptile sux and Sheeva is N15...

Now I'm smiling ^_^