Mortal Kombat (2011) Matchup Chart

[Vulcan Hades]

First of all, who the hell is TS? lol

TS = Team Spooky or Third Strike

Come on man, everyone knows Kitana owns Team Spooky and Third Strike.

 

[DrDogg]

I'll elaborate more. If you have Raiden pinned in the corner as a Subz player, he probably already has a clone sitting in front of him, as this is Subz main pressure in the corner, thus Raiden can teleport freely or EN Superman through, risking it be easily blocked unless he reads Subz 2,1,4 string being cancelled into the initial clone. If he teleported, now your in the corner with your clone in front of you. Not a bad place to be. Clone runs out, everything resets until Subz throws out another ice clone. Subz with his back in the corner doesn't have to worry about teleport or jump ins thanks to his AA 2,2 string. Actions on Raiden. Lighting ball (loses trade with Ice ball), try and punish another clone attempt (better guess right or he's getting punished), or move forward (he's not blocking between dashes, so Slide, step forward and Ice clone, or I decide to get aggressive).

Sub-Zero is at a fairly big disadvantage when he uses an Ice Clone. A decent Raiden can EX Superman on reaction. There's no guessing required.

 

[ChaseRLewis]

I'm not sub/raiden expert but what is stopping raiden from doing an air torpedo/ex air torpedo to escape corner pressure?

This was nerf'd in the last patch, much more punishable than it used to be.

Also i disagree with the idea that raiden will react 100% of the time at a random placed clone except maybe during a string. No one reacts 100% to stuff like that and on top of that he needs meter plus it's not a lot of dmg. While it's a counter it isn't exactly match breaking except doing during a block string kills subz corner game pressure forcing him to try to gay out raiden which is already what he should be doing.

 

[DanCock]

from my prepective heres how i feel Sindel does vs the cast first number being sindels wins the second being her foes wins..


vs Scorpion 5-5
vs Liu Kang 4-6
vs Kung Lao 3-7
vs Subzero 5-5
vs Sindel 5-5
vs ermac 4-6
vs Reptile 3-7
vs Kitana 4-6
vs johnny Cage 4-6
vs Jade 5-5
vs Mileena 4-6
vs Nightwolf 4-6
vs Cyrax 3-7
vs Noob 5-5
vs Smoke 4-6
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 6-4
vs Jax 6-4
vs Kano 4-6
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 5-5
vs Baraka 6-4
vs Kabal 4-6
vs Raiden 3-7
vs Cybersubzero 4-6
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 5-5
vs Skarlett 4-6

 

[THTB]

I agree with all of that, give or take a couple of scores. For instance, I think Sub is 4-6 against Kung Lao and 6-4 against Reptile, but your Sub-Zero adds up to 143 minus Skarlet, and mine added up to 144 minus Skarlet, so I wouldn't really disagree with you.

And, plus, you are THE Sub-Zero, Rob, at least until after Evo so thanks for the matchup analysis.

Sub vs Rep has changed a lot. Reptile forces Sub to close in on him and forces him to use meter for guaranteed projectile trades.

As the Reptile matchups were typed up, I came to realize how great Reptile is.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

I posted my views on the tier list thread. But here's an updated and probably more accurate one for Stryker:

vs Baraka: 6-4
vs Cyber Sub: 5-5
vs Cyrax: 5-5
vs Ermac: 4-6
vs Jade: 4-6
vs Jax: 6-4
vs Johnny Cage: 5-5
vs Kabal: 4-6
vs Kano: 6-4
vs Kitana: 6-4
vs Kung Lao: 4-6
vs Liu Kang: 4-6
vs Mileena: 5-5
vs Noob Saibot: 4-6
vs Nightwolf: 5-5
vs Quan Chi: 5-5
vs Raiden: 4-6
vs Reptile:4-6
vs Scorpion: 5-5
vs Skarlet: 4-6
vs Sektor: 6-4
vs Shang Tsung: 6-4
vs Sheeva: 6-4
vs Sindel: 5-5
vs Smoke: 4-6
vs Sonya: 6-4
vs Sub-Zero: 6-4


Dark Rob you gonna have to explain to me why you think Sub has an advantage over Stryker.

The way I see it Sub only really dominates at mid-range. But that's exactly where Stryker won't ever be in this match. I'm at full screen everytime I land a juggle or anti-air, Sub can't even chip me from here. His only scary option is slide and Stryker has 3 different and reliable ways to bait/punish them. You're gonna have to play more aggressive and won't be able to rely on your zoning tools (I can safely build tons of meter, Sub can't). Granted, Sub's offense is good. But nothing that really gives him a clear advantage imho. For those reasons I would say it's 5-5 at worst. But I'm convinced Stryker has big advantage from far away and meter wise so I give the edge to Stryker.

 

[ChaseRLewis]

I posted my views on the tier list thread. But here's an updated and probably more accurate one for Stryker:

6-4 matchups: Baraka, Kitana, Kano, Sonya, Shang Tsung, Sub-Zero, Sektor, Sheeva, Jax

5-5 matchups: Sindel, Johnny Cage, Cyber Sub, Nightwolf, Mileena, Scorpion, Quan Chi, Skarlet (after she's patched)

4-6 matchups: Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Raiden, Ermac, Reptile, Jade, Kabal, Noob Saibot, Smoke


Dark Rob you gonna have to explain to me why you think Sub has an advantage over Stryker.

The way I see it Sub only really dominates at mid-range. But that's exactly where Stryker won't ever be in this match. I'm at full screen everytime I land a juggle or anti-air, you can't even chip me from here. Your only scary option is slide and Stryker has 3 different and reliable ways to bait/punish them. Up close your clones don't work. You're gonna have to play more aggressive and won't be able to rely on your zoning tools (I can safely build tons of meter, you can't). Granted, Sub's offense is good. But nothing that really gives him a clear advantage imho. For those reasons I would say it's 5-5 at worst. But I'm convinced Stryker has big advantage from far away so I give the edge to Stryker.

um...what does stryker have to get out of the corner should he be cornered .... his offense will make a big difference there. Clone work against everyone without a good armor move or telepush in the corner.

I just really think you overestimate strykers zoning or at least underestimate how people can approach you through generic movement only using character specific moves when they are advantageous to their character.

Again no worries about projectile trade ever? sub has tools : /

 

[Vulcan Hades]

um...what does stryker have to get out of the corner should he be cornered .... his offense will make a big difference there. Clone work against everyone without a good armor move or telepush in the corner.

EN roll toss and EN baton sweep have armor. Not full armor (damn you NRS) but long enough to go through his corner clones or 2, 2 string. Otherwise, I couldn't care less about his ice clones because I'm not playing mid-range or trying to rush him down. All they mean is I can't rely too much on roll toss to punish his ice blast. But that barely changes anything.

I just really think you overestimate strykers zoning or at least underestimate how people can approach you through generic movement only using character specific moves when they are advantageous to their character.

That's the problem though. You think I'm overestimating. I know I'm not.

Again no worries about projectile trade ever? sub has tools : /

Being able to projectile cancel = I'll never trade with sub or lose to teleports/slides unless I'm dumb and don't know how to properly zone.


Assuming the two players are highly and equally skilled, Stryker wins this. No doubt in my mind.

 

[M2Dave]

Heres my take on Subzero's matchups given my experience.

vs Scorpion 5-5
vs Liu Kang 5-5
vs Kung Lao 5-5
vs Subzero 5-5
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 4-6
vs Reptile 4-6
vs Kitana 4-6
vs johnny Cage 6-4
vs Jade 5-5
vs Mileena 6-4
vs Nightwolf 5-5
vs Cyrax 5-5
vs Noob 5-5
vs Smoke 6-4
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 6-4
vs Jax 6-4
vs Kano 5:5
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 5-5
vs Baraka 7-3
vs Kabal 5-5
vs Raiden 5-5
vs Cybersubzero 5-5
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 6-4
vs Skarlett 2-8(and thats being kind to Sub)

Kano loses to Sub Zero. I think Sub Zero wins 6:4 and I am being generous. Due to the added recovery frames on the Knife Toss, Sub Zero can slide underneath each knife better than ever. Kano's offense is limited because of the Ice Clone. Also, if Kano gets cornered, there is nothing he can do to escape aside from X-Ray.

The added recovery frames on the Knife Toss are definitely conspicuous. It was almost impossible to jump on Kano. It can be done now. His zoning is only half as effective now.

 

[I$AAC]

ok I'll join the party. Here's my matchup ratings for Kano

vs Scorpion 6-4
vs Liu Kang 5-5
vs Kung Lao 6-4
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 6-4
vs Reptile 5-5
vs Kitana 7-3
vs johnny Cage 4-6
vs Jade 5-5
vs Mileena 6-4
vs Nightwolf 4-6
vs Cyrax 6-4
vs Noob 5-5
vs Smoke 4-6
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 6-4
vs Jax 6-4
vs Sub-Zero 4-6
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 7-3
vs Baraka 7-3
vs Kabal 5-5
vs Raiden 5-5
vs Cybersubzero 5-5
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 7-3
vs Skarlett 4-6

 

[salvificblood]

Sub vs Rep has changed a lot. Reptile forces Sub to close in on him and forces him to use meter for guaranteed projectile trades.

As the Reptile matchups were typed up, I came to realize how great Reptile is.

So played at the highest level, Sub vs Reptile is in Reptile's advantage, then?

Also, surprised not to see Johnny Cage higher up.

 

[Shiizu]

Here is my take on Jade...


vs Scorpion 4-6
vs Liu Kang 6-4
vs Kung Lao 5-5
vs Sub-Zero 6-4
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 5-5
vs Reptile 5-5
vs Kitana 6-4
vs johnny Cage 6-4
vs Mileena 6-4
vs Nightwolf 5-5
vs Cyrax 4-6
vs Noob 7-3
vs Smoke 6-4
vs Sektor 4-6
vs Sonya 6-4
vs Jax 6-4
vs Kano 6-4
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 7-3
vs Baraka 6-4
vs Kabal 6-4
vs Raiden 4-6
vs Cybersubzero 5-5
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 6-4

A couple things...

vs Kano: Knife toss gets negated by glow. This one's in Jade's favor just for the fact that she forces Kano to play differently. She can't outzone Kano, but she can easily get past his knives and get into mid-range where she can bug him with shadow kicks and staff.

vs Sub-zero: Because of the changes from the patch, this is in favor of Jade thanks to the armored EN specials. If Sub has an ice clone out, he has to be careful of what he does anytime Jade has meter. If he tries to do freeze ball, Jade can blow throw it as well as the clone with EN shadow kick, even if Sub has her in the corner. If Sub himself is in the corner, he eats a 25+% combo from the shadow kick. Without the meter, Jade has fewer options but it's still pretty even. She can use glow to pass through the clones and freeze so Sub still has to be careful, but Jade herself has to be cautious so that Sub doesn't push her back into the clone once she passes through one. But Jade dominates whenever she has meter. Sub also doesn't have any safe invincible wake-ups AFAIK, he's very susceptible to boomerang traps.

 

[salvificblood]

Just thought I'd post mine for Noob Saibot since Dark_Rob already posted a solid one for Sub.

vs Scorpion 5-5
vs Liu Kang 7-3
vs Kung Lao 4-6
vs Subzero 4-6
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 6-4
vs Reptile 4-6
vs Kitana 4-6
vs johnny Cage 6-4
vs Jade 4-6
vs Mileena 5-5
vs Nightwolf 4-6
vs Cyrax 4-6
vs Smoke 4-6
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 7-3
vs Jax 6-4
vs Kano 6-4
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 5-5
vs Baraka 7-3
vs Kabal 5-5
vs Raiden 3-7 (possible 2-8)
vs Cybersubzero 5-5
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 6-4

 

[Tom Brady]

Sub-Zero

vs Scorpion 5-5
vs Liu Kang 6-4
vs Kung Lao 4-6
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 4-6
vs Reptile 4-6
vs Kitana 4-6
vs johnny Cage 6-4
vs Jade 5-5
vs Mileena 6-4
vs Nightwolf 5-5
vs Cyrax 5-5
vs Noob 5-5
vs Smoke 6-4
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 6-4
vs Jax 6-4
vs Kano 6-4(maybe 7-3)
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 5-5
vs Baraka 7-3
vs Kabal 5-5
vs Raiden 5-5
vs Cybersubzero 6-4
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 6-4
vs Skarlet 2-8

 

[Konqrr]

oops...um...ST? shang tsung. it's been a long couple days.

Well, you must have looked at the wrong column as Kit vs Shang is 5-5 and the cell next to that is Kit vs Sheeva which is 7-3

It would be very helpful in the future for anyone posting their matchups to do so in alphabetical order. Thanks in advance!

 

[D. R.]

Just thought I'd post mine for Noob Saibot since Dark_Rob already posted a solid one for Sub.

vs Scorpion 5-5
vs Liu Kang 7-3
vs Kung Lao 4-6
vs Subzero 4-6 (5-5)
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 6-4
vs Reptile 4-6
vs Kitana 4-6
vs johnny Cage 6-4
vs Jade 4-6
vs Mileena 5-5
vs Nightwolf 4-6 (5-5)
vs Cyrax 4-6
vs Smoke 4-6
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 7-3
vs Jax 6-4 (7-3)
vs Kano 6-4
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 5-5
vs Baraka 7-3
vs Kabal 5-5
vs Raiden 3-7 (2-8) Definitly imo.
vs Cybersubzero 5-5
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 6-4
vs Skarlet 4-6

I couldn't agree more with you with the exception of a couple matches, which I highlighted. I also added my take on the Noob vs. Skarlet match up.

 

[MKK hanzo]

Sub-Zero

vs Scorpion 5-5
vs Liu Kang 6-4
vs Kung Lao 4-6
vs Sindel 6-4
vs ermac 4-6
vs Reptile 4-6
vs Kitana 4-6
vs johnny Cage 6-4
vs Jade 5-5
vs Mileena 6-4
vs Nightwolf 5-5
vs Cyrax 5-5
vs Noob 5-5
vs Smoke 6-4
vs Sektor 5-5
vs Sonya 6-4
vs Jax 6-4
vs Kano 6-4(maybe 7-3)
vs Stryker 6-4
vs Shang Tsung 5-5
vs Baraka 7-3
vs Kabal 5-5
vs Raiden 5-5
vs Cybersubzero 6-4
vs Sheeva 6-4
vs Quan Chi 6-4
vs Skarlet 2-8

WOW

 

[salvificblood]

I couldn't agree more with you with the exception of a couple matches, which I highlighted. I also added my take on the Noob vs. Skarlet match up.

That's cool. I can definitely see where you're coming from with those matchups. Glad we pretty much agree on Noob. He's definitely a solid character in my book, he just has the odd stupid matchup like Raiden. That matchup is so unfair.

As far as Skarlet is concerned, I am honestly paying little attention to her matchup scores because she's just such an imbalanced character at this stage.

 

[Konqrr]

TS = Team Spooky or Third Strike

Come on man, everyone knows Kitana owns Team Spooky and Third Strike.

Apparenly not, we played in the MLG online tournament 2 nights ago and he beat me 2-1 lol

I need more matchup experience. Lost to Kabal because of it, and now I lost to Reptile because of it.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

if Kano gets cornered, there is nothing he can do to escape aside from X-Ray.

... kano upball dude... as we tested at summer slam... only a few characters can consistently punish. so 80% of the cast cannot do anything about it if it is done at the correct range.

 

[D. R.]

As far as Skarlet is concerned, I am honestly paying little attention to her matchup scores because she's just such an imbalanced character at this stage.

It is early on with the character. For now, Noob wins the projectile trade with her easily. She doesn't get scary til she has meter, which she can start her projectile spamming, then bait a tackle and punish it with her EN Dash, which has armor, for a combo. Her teleport isn't all that crazy in my book, just fast. That's basically where the match goes, who guesses right with there projectile game. She just does more damage with a correct guess.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

By the way... Raiden has slipped through the cracks... He is non a defensive/reactive character and has lost his rush down. The fact that you can't interrupt dial combos with a few things makes it even worse. IMO raiden is now the El Fuerte of MK9... lame.

I have not played this game since i made top at at UFGT. And lets be real. The games is in its infancy, but to win majors you have to use only a handful of characters. And lmao if anyone things raiden vs kano is anything less than 3-7 kano. Until that garbage 100% safe (vs raiden) is gone i will have a hard time playing competitively in this game. Many of these tournaments have kano armies now. Online is still impossible for a link (not dial) based character like raiden.

Im saltly bc raiden sux.

 

[salvificblood]

By the way... Raiden has slipped through the cracks... He is non a defensive/reactive character and has lost his rush down. The fact that you can't interrupt dial combos with a few things makes it even worse. IMO raiden is now the El Fuerte of MK9... lame.

I have not played this game since i made top at at UFGT. And lets be real. The games is in its infancy, but to win majors you have to use only a handful of characters. And lmao if anyone things raiden vs kano is anything less than 3-7 kano. Until that garbage 100% safe (vs raiden) is gone i will have a hard time playing competitively in this game. Many of these tournaments have kano armies now. Online is still impossible for a link (not dial) based character like raiden.

Im saltly bc raiden sux.

I think Raiden is ridiculously good. Please explain to me how he's lost his rushdown when he has the fastest teleport in the game, crazy pressure and a special that can carry his opponent all the way to the wall...

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

1 Bad distance game. Raiden's fireball is pretty mediocre.

2 Bad anti-aerial game.

3 b+3,1,2 and 3,3,4. You can interrupt each hit of b+3,1,2 with moderately fast moves that have armor. You can also interrupt the last hit of 3,3,4 with moderately fast moves that have armor.

4 Know your anti-teleport strategies.

5 With that said, Old Kano used to be Raiden's toughest match up in my opinion. The fast and safe Up Ball made Raiden's life very hard. Now days I would think that Kung Lao is his most difficult match up. I am no Sub Zero expert but I would actually try and stay in the corner with Sub Zero. If you do a corner Ice Clone and Raiden teleports, he freezes automatically.

1 his distance game is solid.... duck or ex superman. sim style projectile punish against medium recovery and greater fireballers

2 his anti air game is top 3 in the game... nobody knows the trick yet. it also is a free 30+% and anycross up/jump in pressure

3 yepp the reason he is so lame and defensive/reactive character now. those strings are unsafe (used to be +1 or even). no pressure game from raiden except f. 2, 4 and thats not real damage unless its in the corner

4 his tele is useless in high level play if you are playing someone that staggers their projectiles and has a d. 1 (ohh wait everyone has that) or a decent uppercut

5 old kano? did i miss something the up ball at sweep range or closer is not safe? at summer slam we tested this. thtb only landed superman 3/10 times on blocked kano ball. and in match situation... off reaction is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry hard. by the time your brain processed seeing an up ball.. he is already on the ground. when raidens tele was decent i would stand infront of kanos on wakeup and tele... up ball whiffs... and superman. thats why i got through kanos at UFGT. not anymore

...another aside... if you mainly play online... frame date is only a guide. the game is still a bit mushy online

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

I think Raiden is ridiculously good. Please explain to me how he's lost his rushdown when he has the fastest teleport in the game, crazy pressure and a special that can carry his opponent all the way to the wall...

wall pressure is gone... f. 2,4 pushes back to much on block to cont pressure. the pressure you are referring to is gone with the most recent patch. 334 can be interrupted btw 3 and 4... and it is now at least -2 on block. b3 string is interruptable and unsafe as well.

the raiden you are referring to is gone man. it doesn't matter that i can carry you to the corner against characters like kung or kano bc it is in their favor on wakeup.

appreciate the comment but his tele is punishable... in high level play... players with good reactions want you to teleport... raiden is gimmicky and shitty players don't know what they are doing. i am speaking only of high level play