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ImpostorOak

Goro is a Pokémon
He needs a buff to permanently cover up that horrific face of his. What the FUCK did NRS do to him?
Idk man, I'm not the guy who cares how their faces look. Lmao. He's got the high tech suit with the whips so I think he looks cool asf. Spider-Man-Scorpion looks good. What's wrong with his face?

He needs b3 to travel farther by 100%, B21 to have a safe gapless ender, and all of his damage nerfs reverted. THEN he can be 2nd worst in the game.
 

Eldriken

Life was wasted on you.
Idk man, I'm not the guy who cares how their faces look. Lmao. He's got the high tech suit with the whips so I think he looks cool asf. Spider-Man-Scorpion looks good. What's wrong with his face?

He needs b3 to travel farther by 100%, B21 to have a safe gapless ender, and all of his damage nerfs reverted. THEN he can be 2nd worst in the game.
He looks fine until the mask comes off. Other than that, he looks fucking incredible. I love his design.
 

NHDR

Kombatant
So Geras is good now? Can anyone give details? Don't play him at all but have always been intrigued by the character. Is Motaro his best kameo?
 

ImpostorOak

Goro is a Pokémon
So Geras is good now? Can anyone give details? Don't play him at all but have always been intrigued by the character. Is Motaro his best kameo?
Mavado. He gets combos from his low, overhead and throw option. His command grab combos now and has an OS.
 

Baconlord

Proud follower of the church of Cetrion
Where do you rank Sektor?
I have her upper mid tier, top 15ish. She's one of those characters where she either destroys you or gets ran over. Like I think she legitimately 7-3s characters like shao and cyrax and she does really well against other top tier like ermac and scorpion. But she also has horrendous matchups that feel like 3-7s against characters like Quan, peacemaker, and rain. Not to mention sub kameo is a ridiculously good hard counter against her.

She's still good because instant air rockets are a strong enough tool to give her oppressive neutral in a lot of matchups but her buttons are so ass that she doesn't have other tools to win with her main gameplan. Like her mid is slow and gets killed by characters with 6 framers, overhead is unreliable offline (although it's an ok tool to shimmy), b34 is a good auto shimmy but it's hard to open people up with it that no the matchup because there's not a strong throw threat with no viable throw combos team (one of the biggest reasons I don't like the Movado team). Best she can do in a lot of matchups where her zoning isn't relevant is to jump around and try to bait people with her float.

She's just feels more like a counter pick character and not a complete one.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
I have her upper mid tier, top 15ish. She's one of those characters where she either destroys you or gets ran over. Like I think she legitimately 7-3s characters like shao and cyrax and she does really well against other top tier like ermac and scorpion. But she also has horrendous matchups that feel like 3-7s against characters like Quan, peacemaker, and rain. Not to mention sub kameo is a ridiculously good hard counter against her.

She's still good because instant air rockets are a strong enough tool to give her oppressive neutral in a lot of matchups but her buttons are so ass that she doesn't have other tools to win with her main gameplan. Like her mid is slow and gets killed by characters with 6 framers, overhead is unreliable offline (although it's an ok tool to shimmy), b34 is a good auto shimmy but it's hard to open people up with it that no the matchup because there's not a strong throw threat with no viable throw combos team (one of the biggest reasons I don't like the Movado team). Best she can do in a lot of matchups where her zoning isn't relevant is to jump around and try to bait people with her float.

She's just feels more like a counter pick character and not a complete one.
Without starting another Mavado versus Motaro debate, a couple of Sektor's weaknesses can be mitigated with Mavado. b+3,4, which is faster and safer than f+2,1 by one frame, offers easy conversions with forward kameo. Furthermore, back kameo helps against anti-zoning zealotry (i.e., Sub Zero's ice armor, Peacemaker's force field, Rain's water bubble, etc.) while the mine can be used to combo from back throw, albeit the timing is odd and the damage output is low. You can also use the mine sparingly to steal turns after blocked low pokes or b+3,4.

I do not mind Sektor's weaknesses as much as I mind the fact that very few kameos provide meaningful conversions after b+3,4, which is evidently Sektor's best string. The teleport lacking an aerial hitbox is also highly annoying in zoning wars. I perfectly understand that the teleport is designed to have a grounded "splash" hitbox for the sake of combos, but if Sektor is supposed to be a zoning character and anti-zoning character, let her be such. There ought to be an alternative version of the teleport that hits airborne opponents.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
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My take on the current meta. A disclaimer though - "nerfs" here don't necessarily always mean "nerfs to the character itself" but in some cases only doing something to reduce the effectiveness of some synergies with some kameos. Johnny has no kameo with a special synergy, but Homelander, Havik and Scorpion do, for example.

I'm also unsure if the B tier actually exists or should be just considered part of A tier
 
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My take on the current meta. A disclaimer though - "nerfs" here don't necessarily always mean "nerfs to the character itself" but in some cases only doing something to reduce the effectiveness of some synergies with some kameos. Johnny has no kameo with a special synergy, but Homelander, Havik and Scorpion do, for example.

I'm also unsure if the B tier actually exists or should be just considered part of A tier
Johnny has been nerfed so many times, he definitely does not need more. He's fine as is.
 

Hot_DNA

Mortal
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My take on the current meta. A disclaimer though - "nerfs" here don't necessarily always mean "nerfs to the character itself" but in some cases only doing something to reduce the effectiveness of some synergies with some kameos. Johnny has no kameo with a special synergy, but Homelander, Havik and Scorpion do, for example.

I'm also unsure if the B tier actually exists or should be just considered part of A tier
I am a Kitana main and you have her too low, she is definitely top 8 char in the game
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
I am a Kitana main and you have her too low, she is definitely top 8 char in the game
That would imply she's better than Reiko, Kenshi, Liu Kang, Shao, Baraka, Ashrah, Ermac, Mileena, Geras, Sektor and Cyrax - what would be your points regarding her being this good? I'm not too familiar with her but I would definitely not place her above Mileena, which is my main.
 

Hot_DNA

Mortal
That would imply she's better than Reiko, Kenshi, Liu Kang, Shao, Baraka, Ashrah, Ermac, Mileena, Geras, Sektor and Cyrax - what would be your points regarding her being this good? I'm not too familiar with her but I would definitely not place her above Mileena, which is my main.
Literally the only thing she lacks is mix up options. But she can outzone most of the cast., has high damage output, B2 keeps most of the cast in check, amazing wave dash and mobility., decent buttons... I LOVE when I play a Liu Kang, Shao or Kenshi
 

John_NX

Your circumstances are dire!
Literally the only thing she lacks is mix up options. But she can outzone most of the cast., has high damage output, B2 keeps most of the cast in check, amazing wave dash and mobility., decent buttons... I LOVE when I play a Liu Kang, Shao or Kenshi
I feel like Kitana only lacks tools. Her frame data is good. If she received a couple of new tools, she'd be great, but balanced.
 

John_NX

Your circumstances are dire!
If they give her anymore tools she will be broken
How exactly will she be broken? Every character keeps getting new moves, changes, and pickups from their OH's, and lows. Kitana is literally getting nothing, and has only good zoning, and mid screen control.
 

Eldriken

Life was wasted on you.
How exactly will she be broken? Every character keeps getting new moves, changes, and pickups from their OH's, and lows. Kitana is literally getting nothing, and has only good zoning, and mid screen control.
What new moves is Reiko getting? That f2 change was not a fucking buff at all. I could have done without it, to be honest. Getting 25-28% for a bar and full Kameo gauge is horseshit. It's also very, very Kameo specific and requires actual timing. Reiko doesn't suddenly get to go all unga bunga with f2 mixup launches or anything. >.>

Kitana doesn't need any type of mixup potential. I think she's in a really good spot right now.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
What new moves is Reiko getting? That f2 change was not a fucking buff at all. I could have done without it, to be honest. Getting 25-28% for a bar and full Kameo gauge is horseshit. It's also very, very Kameo specific and requires actual timing. Reiko doesn't suddenly get to go all unga bunga with f2 mixup launches or anything. >.>

Kitana doesn't need any type of mixup potential. I think she's in a really good spot right now.
Reiko doesnt need any single buff right now though. If the top 6 characters didnt exist in their current forms, Reiko would definitely be at least top 2 as is.

Kitana, I feel, is lacking some sort of sauce. You can get mixups with Sonya but that's it - she's mostly dependant on good space control.
 

Eldriken

Life was wasted on you.
Reiko doesnt need any single buff right now though. If the top 6 characters didnt exist in their current forms, Reiko would definitely be at least top 2 as is.

Kitana, I feel, is lacking some sort of sauce. You can get mixups with Sonya but that's it - she's mostly dependant on good space control.
I wasn't saying Reiko needed anything (although I could have a discussion about some changes he could probably use). I was questioning the aforementioned claim that "every character" is getting new moves, changes, pickups, etc. If my character is getting any of this, it's news to me outside of the f2 I mentioned above.

I don't think every character needs to be dependent on mixups. Not OH/low or HTBs, anyway.