Amber Heard is a valid example, but it's also one that shows abuse goes both ways and men can go unheard and unvalidated just as badly as women. Plus her career is dead, and Johnny is going to get a HUGE resurgence now that he's been vindicated. What happened to him is fucking awful, but he's getting justice and deserves every bit of it.
What do you think of the DMS?
YEP. Hit the nail right on the head. Defending that stuff, saying someone needs proof when all the proof you can give is the accusations form multiple people who are brave enough to speak up, and then the person who did the acts themselves and still they don't buy it and says it sounds far fetched.That's a damn good question, V.
At the very least, now we aren't hearing anything but crickets from the anti-cancel crowd who were more than happy to talk all of the shit about it being bad all around, until the subject matter got too serious for them to be comfortable defending. Genuinely hate it when the necessary things only happen out of the furnace of horrific circumstances
I wish it actually happened that way, and it's a fucking shame.
Every time I read someone come out of pocket with the "you better hope they don't get bigger and YOU don't get cancelled," it just reads to me as "I have something horrific in my past that I'm hoping the world doesn't find out about, but I'm going to bash the process of people being called out instead of coming clean." It's a personification of why things like the #MeToo movement, and #SpeakingOut in wrestling more recently are so important; there are people who are never going to be brought to justice unless their hands are forced, either by the community itself, or by the sponsors or companies that pay their bills. Nothing was ever gained from garbage people or the money men that protect them by being nice and waiting for them to do the right thing on their own.
Actually she wasn't okay with the handjob, HE took HER hand and put it on his penis and forced her to do it.
Forced her as in did he put a gun to her head, a knife to her throat, did he threatened her if she didn't do it? She wasn't forced to do it. She was in her house with her parents she had all the power to stop and kick him out of her bed/house whenever she wanted.
He was fucked the moment he said what he said in front of her mother, even before he literally forced her hand and took it to the next level.
That's what makes this while situation so tricky. And I wish on both sides people would taking Hooking up more serious. In this day and age in particular. Like where is the line? He can feel me up grab my tits during make out sess. maybe she grabbed his hand and put them on her you know the classic scene. but him putting her hands on his junk is wrong? a handjob assuming to completion isnt an accident. but that's where it gets tricky. Was she scared or did she feel trapped?Did she just want to be cool and fell to peer pressure? was she any sort of victim to abuse being alone with a guy? if these cases are valid does that no longer grant consent in a clear state. Going back to High School I've just always been super careful even in a very promiscuous area. Our school gave new definitions to homie hoppers we even had a teenage dance club seriously it was crazy. I wish more people would adopt a what all can go wrong as opposed to this 9 min romp is worth it all mindset. I honestly get you have to "live" not saying I haven't hooked up with a girl at a party but I can for sure tell you it's never after 2 or more drinks and only if affection was shown publicly.
The entire point of cancel culture is that you can never defend yourself. It isn't possible. Also as anyone that isn't a child knows, and I include anyone under 35 in that, what is acceptable changes. The things have changed from acceptable to taboo and back, just in my life time would astound younger people. You think these taboo are immutable truths? (besides horrific things like rape of course) then you dreaming. You can not defend against something that was perfectly normal at the time, but it now frowned upon.. the most extreme version was that it was suddenly not ok to be jewish and most of my family got murdered.. extreme example, but us jews know.... you can not trust the future. You think your safe... you do everything you think it "right"... but what is "right" is fluid.. and only children think otherwise. You think your "safe", you think you can "defend yourself" ... how naive can someone be.
Not that I'd ever disparage the Jews, the Holocaust, or anything of the sort, but that doesn't make any sense at all. You can absolutely defend yourself. Just not if you're guilty. Sorry if being 100% in favor of disgusting people being held to account for their actions makes me naive, but hey, that's your take and I'm not going to disparage you for it.
Attitudes like this are exactly what allowed this kind of nonsense to propagate in the community in the first place. No. You don’t just do stuff to a woman regardless of her desires until she ‘kicks you out’, and if she didn’t then it was fine. That’s an absolutely disgusting way to think. No. Triple no. See Jeffrey Epstein. Have you never talked to victims of abuse?
That shit is stupid too tho. Like if dude shot his shot, and she didn't pull back then of course he'd think she was feeling him. This after the fact I changed my mind shit is fucking ridiculous.
Crimson, how come instead of saying "Skedar, I'm going to have to disagree with you and here's why...", you say things like "That’s an absolutely disgusting way to think." and "If you honestly feel this way, then you need to never touch or associate with whatever sex you’re attracted to, until you learn some things."
So how do you do it? Teach me. Do you ask "Hey lady is it ok if I touch your tit while we are kissing passionately"? "Can you sign these papers that its ok for me to touch your tits? So that you don't come at me later accusing me of abuse" "Wait a second while my lawyer here confirms that our contract is ok" "Ok lets proceed I'm gonna touch your tit now"
That’s not ‘shooting a shot’. And it’s not ‘changing your mind’ when you force yourself on somebody before they have the chance to make up their mind.
I'm cooking breakfast right now (I know, I'm late), but I'm gonna write some stuff up in a bit to help explain these things to everybody.
The shit he did afterward was definitely suspect, but he was kissing on her and feeling her tits which she admitted she was cool with. Him putting her hand on his dick isn't crazy with all that context lol
Bro you're fucking scum.
I kinda agree with Skeder. This is a weird subject for this forum lol, but I tend to find saying things in the heat of the moment like "I would like intercourse is that a mutual feeling?" tend to kill the vibe lol. Just as in every tv show you see when the time is right people kiss and don't say stuff like "if I kiss you right now is that something that would be ok?". Wasn't like he was in the friend zone and ripped her clothes off after she said no or something.
Especially in her passage where shes like ya that's cool happens before nothing I haven't done with x y and z..Like i said above it's a tricky situation but this doesnt help but its honest so it's good she put that part in. I get gentials are a whole different base. But one would surmise that what DMS did is a natural progression maybe. But I'm in form believe one no or one that's not ok and you immediately stop. no excuse no coaxing nothing.
That doesn't happen to me bro. If a girl puts my hands in her genitals while we are in her bed in her room kissing and stuff. I am happy and horny and ready for action.
She is a woman bro lmfao
I mean it's not about right. Nobody is saying because you felt her up you deserve pussy. All I'm saying is he didn't fuck up until he pulled her hand back after she pulled it away.
