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MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
MKX KP2 was 20$ for 7 characters (triborg as 4) and u get Goro if u dont have him yet.
4 years later we pay twice the money for half the content lol
Exactly lol, nobody can deny that wb and nrs are greedy plus dont forget "preorder to get exclusive skins just like KL, want these cool "free skins" well you can only get them by preordering and playing a stressful, toxic, shitty ranked mode to get them! That's not jumping thru hoops at all for "free content" aside from the pricey $ of this that injustice comparison is a great example compared to mk 11. The preorder thing is obviously easier than the KL, but the idea bugs me that they force us to do this shit in general for "exclusive skins never to be available again" that really bothers me.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
If thats how that came off, I apologize. I meant to imply that you cant have an opinion on balance if you dont play vs people, and you cant meaningfully comment on people having opinions on the game because for all you know, they are correct. To the point, a guy sweating in KL through wifi Liu Kangs that can wake up U3 anti air them while they are completely behind Liu randomly- these people occasionally come here to vent about a frustrating day. Weve all used extreme language to vent. Youre telling them theyre stupid for continuing to pursue their hobby or hoping for improvments. I think thats shallow and self serving. You are allowed to enjoy the game anyway you want. You may even get more enjoyment out of it than me, who's to say? Im not better than you for playing the game in the way that it has been designed to be played, I simply have a better grasp on how its balanced and more understanding for others opinions.
Nicely put. I apologize as well for sounding condescending. This is an interesting take I admit I didn't take into account - people talking shit about the game after having a long string of bouts on Kombat League. I am not a professional player nor do I want to be one - though I love watching pros fight in tournaments, but one of the reasons I love MK, other than the lore and the characters, is the fact that its content is as much single player friendly as it is multiplayer friendly. I mean, it has a cinematic story mode when most other fighting games will either half-ass it, or flat out won't have it. And the Towers of Time may seem like a needless grind to people who would like to get their rewards by playing multiplayer (this is actually a suggestion I've stated time and again - give players who play online skins, gear and augments based on the characters they play online with), but to me, this is an excellent way to keep my interest in the game, switching characters as I please and enjoy the banter in the intro dialogues.

My admittedly hostile comments were targeted at people who always say how lazy NRS is, how little work they've put on the game, how boring everything is and generally, being negative all the time - and who then complain about the price. It's like me talking shit about a restaurant, how terrible each and every one of its dishes is, then whine about the price of the salad being too high and me being unwilling to buy it. I mean, one would think that I have no intention of eating there, so why complain about the price? Even if the salad was free, I still wouldn't touch it!

I love Resident Evil as a franchise, but I think that RE6 sucked donkey dick. Did I buy it? Yes. But only when it went down to like, 8$ on a sale. I loved RE2make, I pre-ordered it, and did the same thing with RE3make. 130$ total. And I believe it was worth every single dollar. If I didn't think they did, I would wait for a sale. But I wouldn't create like, ten threads complaining about the price.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Point is, we shouldn't have to pay 40 BUCKS TECHNICALLY 43 AND CHANGE FOR A LITTLE STORY AND 3 Characters. Let's do the math, characters normally cost 5 or 6 bucks each right? Ok. So let's say 6 that's 18 bucks right there minimum, story mode which we don't know how long but more than likely not as long as the games launch, let's say half that so 3 hours minimum. Let's say that should be at least 10 to 14 bucks
That would still be less at 32 bucks if we go 14. I think this really depends on the story length. If this shit isn't more than 3 hours and say only 2 to 2 and half then, yes 43 bucks with tax is a ripoff. Period.
There isn't a single game whose DLC isn't a rip-off. DLC are always priced a lot higher than the game in terms of content. Horizon Zero Dawn's base game content is 40 hours and it cost 60$ on day one. Its expansion, Frozen Wilds cost 20$ and it was like 5-7 hours of content. Now, by your logic (which isn't flawed at all), Frozen Wilds should cost 8-10$ since that should be the price compared to the base game's original value and content.

But companies never do that. They always overprice the DLC. So, it's not that MK11 is suddenly the antichrist and all the other games and publishers have fair prices on the DLC.

Also, I think it's unfair to call NRS greedy when they're just working on the content and have absolutely no ruling over the price. Your beef on that front should be solely on WB, not NRS. In terms of pricing, always.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
WB, NRS whoever are greedier with this game and it's pretty obvious.
 
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Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
@Nickolaidas Yeah dude, honestly. I definitely don't think NRS are lazy(nobody should say that) but greedier now than MK 9, Injustice days? Definitely, that's what's got people annoyed tbh. Someone brought up a good point with I2 we got 9 characters, skins etc for 40 bucks. MK 11 3 characters a story(we don't know how long could be 2, 3 hours I'm betting half the time if not less than the in game launch story) and you have to preorder to get those nice skins, so if you buy it after May 26th, you don't get them? To me that's bs when they can just put it on the store for anyone to buy. I mean they're the ones making profit anyway or of course in a ToT. Just my opinion on that.
But how can they be greedy when they're not the ones deciding the price? I'm working as a graphic artist at a publishing company and my boss is selling some of our books at ridiculously high prices. We don't agree with that - our people at the service lines agree that the complaints our customers have are valid and they say it to the boss, but he won't hear it - prices stay up. And it's like someone like you goes on a message board and says that I and the people who make the books are greedy. While all the while I agree with you and try to change my boss' mind!
 
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@MKF30 I personally think the games industry as a whole is greedier than a decade ago, and a decade ago it was absolutely greedier than around the turn of the century.

You're an "older gamer" as well, yes? Remember when map packs for shooters in the 90's were free? Remember when the term "downloadable content" came about, despite this kind of content being around for about a decade prior (i.e. the "DLC" for The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind was called "plugins" because in 2002, the term DLC didn't exist, even though it's the same thing)? Remember when skins and costumes were generally free unlocks in games by beating or finding them?

Very different times.

That's why, and I've said this before and I believe you've commented on my posts about it a few times, that I typically only play/buy older games and remasters these days.

The Mortal Kombat franchise is the only franchise I've kept supporting at launch because I love it so much. For "Aftermath," I will get it, but when it goes on sale for about 50% off. I'm patient and I can wait to get proper value for my money as I perceive it. I'll miss out on a single skin pack by not pre-ordering, but that's not a huge deal to me.
 
But how can they greedy when they're not the ones deciding the price? I'm working as a graphic artist on a publishing company and my boss is selling some of our books at ridiculously high prices. We don't agree with that - our people at the service lines agree that the complaints our customers have are valid and they say it to the boss, but he won't hear it - prices stay up. And it's like someone like you goes on a message board and says that I and the people who make the books are greedy. While all the while I agree with you and try to change my boss' mind!
Most people don't understand business, and in this case, the differences and responsibilities between a developer and a publisher. The entity that generally does the communicating with the customer base then gets the blame and hate. In this case, it's NetherRealm Studios.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
@MKF30The Mortal Kombat franchise is the only franchise I've kept supporting at launch because I love it so much. For "Aftermath," I will get it, but when it goes on sale for about 50% off. I'm patient and I can wait to get proper value for my money as I perceive it. I'll miss out on a single skin pack by not pre-ordering, but that's not a huge deal to me.
I'm betting you my left nut that every single pre-order bonus will eventually become available for sale.
 
I'm betting you my left nut that every single pre-order bonus will eventually become available for sale.
It's possible, yes, but not a guarantee. An example from Mortal Kombat XL, I was able to get that skin for free on my Xbox One this past holiday. This skin has never come to the PC version of the game, however. It's there in the code, I've seen the AI use it and you can use a mod to unlock it, but it's never been legit available for the player on the PC version.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
It's possible, yes, but not a guarantee. An example from Mortal Kombat XL, I was able to get that skin for free on my Xbox One this past holiday. This skin has never come to the PC version of the game, however. It's there in the code, I've seen the AI use it and you can use a mod to unlock it, but it's never been legit available for the player on the PC version.
The gold Scorpion skin?
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Oops, sorry, yes, that's the one.
I remember posting the news of it becoming free here. Happened around the time that MK11 was released, I think.

PC gamers never got it? Well that sucks. Thank God I didn't make the bet for that, or else I would be one left nut short.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
But how can they be greedy when they're not the ones deciding the price? I'm working as a graphic artist at a publishing company and my boss is selling some of our books at ridiculously high prices. We don't agree with that - our people at the service lines agree that the complaints our customers have are valid and they say it to the boss, but he won't hear it - prices stay up. And it's like someone like you goes on a message board and says that I and the people who make the books are greedy. While all the while I agree with you and try to change my boss' mind!
How do you know exactly that it's not NRS deciding on any of these prices though if I may ask? I know WB owns NRS, and what they say goes but you act as if you 100% know nobody on NRS opposed this and that if anything MK while popular is obviously lesser known than Injustice(DC characters) overall yet we got 9 characters, skins etc for the same price where as we get 3 characters and a story mode a few hours for the same price? I mean again I love MK and will always support it ultimately but it's obvious their prices have gone up. They are doing that update with free friendships(hopefully not hidden), stages, etc which is great but I can't help but wonder why they couldn't just add those 3 skins in the 40 dollar value. Are skins REALLY worth a preorder option only? That could very well be NRS's choice and probably is. The price of the DLC could be WB's, perhaps it is but to the consumer it's still the same price at the end of the day. Dude again I get it, I have done voice work for projects I want to get paid for that obviously but that's not what I'm talking about. As a loyal consumer who's paid again well over 100 bucks into this game I have a right to complain or question a price, you act as if I'm just some casual getting into MK who wants everything for nothing. That's not the case. I will not be trying to change your mind, I agree with you on some points but disagree on others. So we may as well agree to disagree on those other points. I have never called NRS lazy, even dating back to the Midway days people mocked them for the reused styles in the 3D era. I was not one of them, I just think be it WB or NRS I don't care at this point tbh have to consider budgets especially now days with half the country out of work. All I'm saying and nobody can change my mind on that.



There isn't a single game whose DLC isn't a rip-off. DLC are always priced a lot higher than the game in terms of content. Horizon Zero Dawn's base game content is 40 hours and it cost 60$ on day one. Its expansion, Frozen Wilds cost 20$ and it was like 5-7 hours of content. Now, by your logic (which isn't flawed at all), Frozen Wilds should cost 8-10$ since that should be the price compared to the base game's original value and content.

But companies never do that. They always overprice the DLC. So, it's not that MK11 is suddenly the antichrist and all the other games and publishers have fair prices on the DLC.

Also, I think it's unfair to call NRS greedy when they're just working on the content and have absolutely no ruling over the price. Your beef on that front should be solely on WB, not NRS. In terms of pricing, always.
I'd have to disagree on that first part lol, Activision and Ubisoft have been known to ripoff people over the years and then there's EA and do very shady things to their fans. I'm not saying not to charge but you have to be reasonable. If you make 4 characters and charge 50 bucks for them, nobody is going to want to buy that. I think some do it better than others like Frozen Wilds for example. But when games like COD charges you 15-20 bucks for a map or 2. That becomes questionable if you ask me. I know a lot of COD fans in the past had gripes over that. I think there was another issue with one of their games with weapons, where you could unlock them by grinding or buy them all thus pay to win etc. I forget which title though but remember my friends telling me all about it and reading about it.

It's not flawed at all, it's quite logical. By my logic I consider something called loyal fans and a budget. Now perhaps you can waste 20-40 or hell you'd probably pay 90 bucks for something such as a few hours of content but not everyone will, what I'm saying. Well, NRS may not have a say on certain things but I know damn well they DO have a say on others such as "skins" that has nothing to do with WB that's all NRS. So while their prices may be greedy on WB's part, ok what about "exclusive skins" that are hidden behind shitty modes like KL and/or you must preorder only to get them? Now you may not have an issue with that, but I do. As I've said I've put well over 100+ bucks into this game lol, probably more than most complaining here tbh. If anyone has a right to complain it's definitely someone like me, and keep in mind I've always supported NRS have literally pumped over 1000+ bucks on their games, content, stuff since MK 9.


Yeah dude, honestly. I definitely don't think NRS are lazy(nobody should say that) but greedier now than MK 9, Injustice days? Definitely, that's what's got people annoyed tbh. Someone brought up a good point with I2 we got 9 characters, skins etc for 40 bucks. MK 11 3 characters a story(we don't know how long could be 2, 3 hours I'm betting half the time if not less than the in game launch story) and you have to preorder to get those nice skins, so if you buy it after May 26th, you don't get them? To me that's bs when they can just put it on the store for anyone to buy. I mean they're the ones making profit anyway or of course in a ToT. Just my opinion on that.

@MKF30 I personally think the games industry as a whole is greedier than a decade ago, and a decade ago it was absolutely greedier than around the turn of the century.

You're an "older gamer" as well, yes? Remember when map packs for shooters in the 90's were free? Remember when the term "downloadable content" came about, despite this kind of content being around for about a decade prior (i.e. the "DLC" for The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind was called "plugins" because in 2002, the term DLC didn't exist, even though it's the same thing)? Remember when skins and costumes were generally free unlocks in games by beating or finding them?

Very different times.

That's why, and I've said this before and I believe you've commented on my posts about it a few times, that I typically only play/buy older games and remasters these days.

The Mortal Kombat franchise is the only franchise I've kept supporting at launch because I love it so much. For "Aftermath," I will get it, but when it goes on sale for about 50% off. I'm patient and I can wait to get proper value for my money as I perceive it. I'll miss out on a single skin pack by not pre-ordering, but that's not a huge deal to me.
Yes, been playing games since the golden age of the early 80's hell I even had an atari 2600 lol. God, I feel old lol. Yes absolutely, yep. I sure do. Remember the whole Activision element with the cost of maps in COD? I remember a huge uproar over that, now I'm not a COD player I had a few, played them all at my buds house before he got married when they were really in 10+ years ago and they had ripoff prices that a lot of fans did not like, then you have Ubisoft and EA who also have infamous reps with that stuff.

Same here, I used to play more games when I was younger, a kid etc but now between the prices going up and questionable DLC prices, I feel like it's not worth it. I will also wait to see reviews of a game if I'm on the fence and see how youtube reviewers where thats all they do feel about it first as far as what you get for your buck. Very different times indeed. Like I have no problem with developers wanting to charge for DLC, I mean sure being free would be awesome but I get that it's also work, my problem is their level of greed. I'm the same way I've pumped in well over 100 bucks on MK 11 so far between getting all the DLC, premium edition, time krystals and now Aftermath because I love MK, but it's no secret they've made some bonehead decisions with this game as well. I preordered on two consoles yesterday the Switch and Xbox, I don't even use those three though I have used/toyed with Sub-Zero at times but that skin is definitely one as a fan I've wanted for a while. The only thing they got wrong is he should have glowing blue eyes(which oddly enough Sub does not have ONE skin doing that) why I don't know, little weird but hopefully eventually they'll give him one and God willing it's not hidden behind Trash League.
 
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... so .... what, you think that buying the game day 1 means that you must get all future dlc for free?

It's simple, really. Buy game day one for 60-100 bucks, depending on the edition ...

Or buy it months or years later at a better price. That's how it always worked.

Edit: Holy-shit at the entitlement of some people here.
This is probably the most 4head take ive ever seen. It doesn't matter if I paid $20 or $60 for the game. Charging fans who already own the game $40 for 3 characters and 2 hours of cutscenes that no one is going to give a shit about is atrocious. Counting the sales the game has been on I'm sure there are people who waited and got the game+KP1 for around $40. And somehow Aftermath is supposed to be worth the cost of the initial game and all the DLC so far? Laughable. "Don't wanna pay money? Dont buy lol retard." Use some critical thinking before you just vomit bullshit into the reply box next time. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford it. It's about not letting WB and NRS fist your ass. People like you that relentlessly shill things like this are the very reason this is priced so high.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Yes, been playing games since the golden age of the early 80's hell I even had an atari 2600 lol. God, I feel old lol.
40 year old fuck, here. However, I don't get bored with gaming, if anything, I love it more than ever. I do however, seriously consider investing on a much smaller number of IPs.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
40 year old fuck, here. However, I don't get bored with gaming, if anything, I love it more than ever. I do however, seriously consider investing on a much smaller number of IPs.
Yeah, I don't get bored either I just tend to be more selective now days than in my younger days or as you said focus on a few IP's. I really do hope NRS makes a horror fighting game down the line, those rumors of a WWE game I really, really hope aren't true but could be since they made that mobile game few years back. Thing is Wrestling numbers overall have gone down I read a few months ago. They seem really good with getting tough IP's, rights to characters I mean look at their guests. I think they've done an amazing job with that better than any other FG easily.
 

Professor Oak

Are you a boy or girl?
This is probably the most 4head take ive ever seen. It doesn't matter if I paid $20 or $60 for the game. Charging fans who already own the game $40 for 3 characters and 2 hours of cutscenes that no one is going to give a shit about is atrocious. Counting the sales the game has been on I'm sure there are people who waited and got the game+KP1 for around $40. And somehow Aftermath is supposed to be worth the cost of the initial game and all the DLC so far? Laughable. "Don't wanna pay money? Dont buy lol (soap bar in my mouth)." Use some critical thinking before you just vomit bullshit into the reply box next time.
I dont wanna be mean to anyone, but kinda my point.

Like, a small story and 3 characters along with 18 skins is worth $40?(not including free things in the value) Im not seeing the value at all. If NRS sold a game that only came with 3 characters, 18 skins, and a small story would you genuinely feel smart buying it? Its undeniably overpriced regardless of what youve spent prior, how long youve played, or how much you like/dislike the game.

Someone tweet NRS until they announce we can just buy the fighters. Ill be happy when I have that info. $5.99 each for 3 is only $18, and thats actually palatable.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Like, a small story and 3 characters along with 18 skins is worth $40?(not including free things in the value) Im not seeing the value at all. If NRS sold a game that only came with 3 characters, 18 skins, and a small story would you genuinely feel smart buying it? Its undeniably overpriced regardless of what youve spent prior, how long youve played, or how much you like/dislike the game.

Someone tweet NRS until they announce we can just buy the fighters. Ill be happy when I have that info. $5.99 each for 3 is only $18, and thats actually palatable.
I think the thethiny tweeted about this being a thing later on, based on the location of the 3 DLC fighters in the game files? Not really understood his explanation, but he said what you want is coming. This is WB trying to milk guys like me who are willing to pre-order the whole thing, then go for guys like you who like to buy a thing or two out of the whole expansion.
 

Metin

Ermac & Smoke Main
i don't like that much some Mortal Kombat games to be honest. Because of a strong reason and it is too simple. Sadly, My favourite character is not in. Yes there are other cool characters and i can pick one and enjoy ( this what i am doing right now) but not the same taste to me. Don't get me wrong this is just my opinion.
 

rainuS

Prince of Edenia
I remember posting the news of it becoming free here. Happened around the time that MK11 was released, I think.

PC gamers never got it? Well that sucks. Thank God I didn't make the bet for that, or else I would be one left nut short.
In MK11 the Gold Demon skin is still impossible to buy, it was Kollectors Edtion exclusive set of 6 skins.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
i don't like that much some Mortal Kombat games to be honest. Because of a strong reason and it is too simple. Sadly, My favourite character is not in. Yes there are other cool characters and i can pick one and enjoy ( this what i am doing right now) but not the same taste to me. Don't get me wrong this is just my opinion.
I get it. I too drool for Havik, except I don't let that take away my enjoyment. Will I be disappointed if the removed assist turns out to be a big pile of nothing? Sure. But I'll keep playing and keep thinking it's a great game.
 

asddgd

Noob
I bought the $300 edition, didn’t get a beta code with it, had to email Lansdown just to get one, like $25 extra for shipping, still didn’t show up till 2 days after realease, and found out after playing the game at release that the beta was pretty much a lie and the game was actually trash. I was actually hyped for this but after hearing the actual content was $40, fuck that. Hearing ya’ll complain about your $100 investments, while i do agree, seems trivial when mine was triple yours. Count yourselves lucky you didn’t shell out as much as i did for something i havent turned on in 6 months. I mean i couldn’t even get the things i paid for on time or at all, so they care even less about the big fish (gamestop mostly too). Only way i’m coming back and considering this is if they bring in kustom kompetitive ranked mode. And F all you hear about how hard it would be to balance, it wouldn’t.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Can the "but people worked hard for this" guilt trip please stop? As if the $140 a day 1 fan would pay for all of this would go directly into the employees' pockets. Far far far far more work was put into the base game, from a value standpoint this DLC is not even close to worth it, and I'm not even comparing it to other games or their DLC models yet.