Jade General Discussion Thread

[Madog32]

So... I did 1 fight. I lost. Got 20 points. And... that's all I needed to do to get the Jade skin?
I'm just making sure, because it just seems too easy! And I really want that skin...

As long as you're marked as an "Apprentice", you should be good to go!

 

[Vhozite]

Yeah only one match is all you need.

I want the Kitana skin to but I can't be assed to play KL that much rn

 

[GLoRToR]

Yeah only one match is all you need.

Sadly, on PC ranked is the only place you can find any remaining players so I'm forced to endure.

 

[Madog32]

Sadly, on PC ranked is the only place you can find any remaining players so I'm forced to endure.

Its probably for the best. You're not likely to find anyone who wants to play more than 1 game vs. ED online anyway

 

[GLoRToR]

Its probably for the best. You're not likely to find anyone who wants to play more than 1 game vs. ED online anyway

Leave Ed out of this!

 

[HeavyNorse]

As long as you're marked as an "Apprentice", you should be good to go!

Thanks!
I was so worried when it was leaked that this skin would be a KL reward. So it makes me happy this is all it took to get it!

 

[Elias6999]

I can’t go on the game right now, can someone post the Jade KL skin? And maybe the others please?

 

[Vhozite]

I can’t go on the game right now, can someone post the Jade KL skin? And maybe the others please?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MortalKombat/comments/cw5o05
There is also a Kitana skin (human skin in revenant outfit) for completing all KL challenges.

 

[Shale101]

So lets talk about her regular razor rang. Why is there so much damn start up? Is there a point to it besides NOT allowing her to spam her regular projectile. Do you find that when it goes behind her it often hits opponents? I find it RARELy hits opponents behind her. So frustrating that it can't trade with the likes of sonya or Lui Kangs projectile and there seems to be no benefit with the start up. I think they said they built her as an ANTI zoner and not a zoner but its jsut frustrating when glow doesn't even work on all projectiles. I understand there has to be balance but something has to give. Her combos and damage suck.

 

[Zer0_h0ur]

So lets talk about her regular razor rang. Why is there so much damn start up? Is there a point to it besides NOT allowing her to spam her regular projectile. Do you find that when it goes behind her it often hits opponents? I find it RARELy hits opponents behind her. So frustrating that it can't trade with the likes of sonya or Lui Kangs projectile and there seems to be no benefit with the start up. I think they said they built her as an ANTI zoner and not a zoner but its jsut frustrating when glow doesn't even work on all projectiles. I understand there has to be balance but something has to give. Her combos and damage suck.

The regular rang being in her base kit is absolute shit.
Should be exactly like spark in start up.

 

[Elias6999]

She would be too strong if her regular boomerag was faster, she has glow, if you can’t use the regular boomerang properly then its on you, its actually a pretty decent projectile.

 

[Espio]

She would be too strong if her regular boomerag was faster, she has glow, if you can’t use the regular boomerang properly then its on you, its actually a pretty decent projectile.

Yeah honestly the way it currently is designed allows me to use it for anti-air combos, meterless plus frames if done right and I can use it to check Liu Kang's flying kick sometimes. It's not full proof, but it will discourage Liu Kang from reacting to spark and punishing into crushing blow. The way it is designed currently allows for unique, nuanced utility so I wouldn't change it honestly.

Second hit being a mid on amp would be a luxury though.

 

[Arqwart]

Yeah honestly the way it currently is designed allows me to use it for anti-air combos, meterless plus frames if done right and I can use it to check Liu Kang's flying kick sometimes. It's not full proof, but it will discourage Liu Kang from reacting to spark and punishing into crushing blow. The way it is designed currently allows for unique, nuanced utility so I wouldn't change it honestly.

Second hit being a mid on amp would be a luxury though.

I'd say rang jailing after strings and normals would be a huge improvement to Jade. The second one being a mid would be a nice luxury, but the jailing is my #1 wish for them.

 

[Elias6999]

Yeah honestly the way it currently is designed allows me to use it for anti-air combos, meterless plus frames if done right and I can use it to check Liu Kang's flying kick sometimes. It's not full proof, but it will discourage Liu Kang from reacting to spark and punishing into crushing blow. The way it is designed currently allows for unique, nuanced utility so I wouldn't change it honestly.

Second hit being a mid on amp would be a luxury though.

The only buff it could have IMO is the second hit jailing after the first is blocked, but that’s a luxury, and they might have to make it more unsafe if they jail to avoid B343 rang loops.

 

[GLoRToR]

Second hit being a mid on amp would be a luxury though.

More like reasonable.

 

[GLoRToR]

Asking Jaded players.

What are some good things to do after the +3 kick on block other than throws?

 

[Shale101]

She would be too strong if her regular boomerag was faster, she has glow, if you can’t use the regular boomerang properly then its on you, its actually a pretty decent projectile.

Too strong huh?? No combos and no damage but too strong? Glow doesn't work on a lot of things and has very long recovery......regular rang could still be a high and just ducked...... I know how do use it.....I just wish it was better. Lui Kang has all his other BS and amazing projectiles and the same goes for sonya. But no combo no damage Jade can't have a good regular projectile..... god forbid.

 

[Elias6999]

Asking Jaded players.

What are some good things to do after the +3 kick on block other than throws?

I haven’t played Jaded in a while, but i used to D3 check after it sometimes. I’m not sure if it can be done midscreen though, I can’t remember.

 

[Madog32]

Asking Jaded players.

What are some good things to do after the +3 kick on block other than throws?

In the corner - D1 if they're constantly challenge it. If you can get them to start respecting that, then you can play with B3 or grab.

Midscreen - not much. If they block it crouching you're often in range for a d1. But if they block it standing that's pretty much the end of it. D4 if they typically press after blocking standing. Shadow kick if they tend to jump after.

 

[GLoRToR]

In the corner - D1 if they're constantly challenge it. If you can get them to start respecting that, then you can play with B3 or grab.

Midscreen - not much. If they block it crouching you're often in range for a d1. But if they block it standing that's pretty much the end of it. D4 if they typically press after blocking standing. Shadow kick if they tend to jump after.

1 bar for a d1 or d4

 

[Phr4nk]

Both the run kick and b3434 have plus frames but leave the opponent too far away to continue any kind of pressure. I feel like there is something i’m supposed to be doing with this frame advantage but I haven’t figured it out yet. I generally just step back and wait for the whiff.

 

[Arqwart]

Both the run kick and b3434 have plus frames but leave the opponent too far away to continue any kind of pressure. I feel like there is something i’m supposed to be doing with this frame advantage but I haven’t figured it out yet. I generally just step back and wait for the whiff.

This is exactly why I immediately stopped playing Jaded a few days after the patch. Her pressure is very awkward and different options dont really complement each other like other stagger pressure characters' options do. Kick cancel and B3434 make me lose my position against anyone with a good backdash (especially Cetrion), Vault is her only safe special option on block yet is rather gimmicky and I swear I'm only safe so often purely because of online input delay, Vault cancels are good but costly, D1 jailing into 21 has to be basically frame perfect online, 1 and 2 are both very stubby despite being Highs, F4 can sometimes low crush D3s/D4s but it's a little slow on the draw for use in staggering efficiently, your only special option on hit confirm that leaves the opponent standing and you positive enough to continue pressuring is burning meter on razor-rang - the list goes on.

On the positive side, F3/F34 is a lot better than people give it credit for. It may be stubby, but that doesnt mean shit when you're always in their face. A fast low with special cancel options, safety, and ok damage (for Jade) on the string is a lovely tool to have.

There's a reason why in the "Reasonable Jade Changes" thread I basically spelled out an entire rework of her basic attacks. Close range gameplay of any kind is just not an efficient option for our green girl. It's not the end of the world to be in that position, but there's a VERY good reason that Emerald Defender is the main variation that most everyone uses (pros included). Dedicating an entire variation's abilities to complement a fighting style the character is mediocre at just doesnt do enough to move her out of mediocrity in that area in my opinion.

In conclusion, Jaded is neat but gimmicky with little to no payoff for all the effort because lol Jade damage.

 

[GLoRToR]

No, guys.
Jade is fine.
The same fine as Erron, Liu, Geras, Jacqui and Sonya.

Jade has awesome zoning just like Liu and Sonya. This logically warrants that her normals are trash.
Liu has awesome zoning and a 9f mid and a flying kick that full combo punishes Jade's glow. This is fine.
Liu and Sonya have better mids, better combo damage, which is fine because Jade's zoning explains why she's unsafe.

Jade is fine.
The same fine as Liu and Sonya.

 

[HeavyNorse]

This made me laugh.

 

[GLoRToR]

Reminder: Jade is fine.