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Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
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wsj515 said:
Full disclosure - I am someone who thinks Cassie is easily one of the best character in the game, and should definitely get nerfed. I cannot say to what extent, because that fully depends on what NRS plans to do with every other character.

I think a lot of you are being pretty disingenuous when you say things like "she's strong but she's honest." She's a jack of all trades character, but usually jack of all trades characters have tools that do things 'good enough,' whereas she might be best-in-class (or close to it) in a bunch of areas, and her 'weaknesses' are practically non-existent.

Also, no offense, but it's a bit hard to see people talking so matter-of-factly about their main when they are just now discovering basic aspects of the character's toolkit.
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Let me first say that what I say comes from what I know in the moment, and that changes as I learn the game and Cassie in general. This is the first game I have taken seriously and competitively, so I'm still learning.

wsj515 said:
It's also not productive to say "learn the matchup," as if knowing the matchup somehow makes a character who, in your own words, has no bad matchups balanced (whatever that means).
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Not sure who says she has no bad MU, but she does. And MU knowledge is very, very important. How did the Kotal player win against Hayatei's Erron (who is the best in the game)? A big part of it is because Hayatei clearly lacked the MU knowledge.

She has weaknesses, trust me. My experience may not mean a lot to you but I've played her since launch and if you don't exploit her weaknesses then it's no one's fault but yours for not learning the MU.

wsj515 said:
I have no problem with people learning the game at different speeds, but I do find it silly when those people then go on to call others scrubs, etc. I mean nothing more here than to point out the irony.
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I called him a scrub because of his attitude, he came in here screaming that 'the bitch needs nerfs' as if he knew what he was talking about, but didn't know to amplify energy burst cost a bar. This goes both ways. He admitted he was salty because he got bodied by her and I pointed out it was his lack of MU, which it was. And since he's playing a character that is great against her, it's probably the main reason he got bodied, outside of skill level differences of course.
 
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I was beaten in a Cassie mirror close in the first match he zoned a lot and lot of bullshit.
He just went to my body and t-bagged like hell.
He spammed Cassie in the character select as well. I wanted to quit this time first.

I decided to quit rather than trying to beating him - I do not even want to play with scrubs like this.
If it was you then congrat lol.
 
Vengeance135

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
fredchuckdave said:
DR Gross Vs J Nunez (Liu Kang)

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So theres a few things that Liu Kang player was letting Gross do freely.

B243- that Liu Kang player literally was given multiple opportunities to krushing blow the shit out of that string or just stand up and punish.

B24- Liu kang can immediately start pressure after blocking that.

Amped Kneecappin- on block, both that and the regular version are crazy unsafe and Liu Kang can easily punish it.

Low fireball- my mans was not using low fireball at all. Projectile trading with Cassie is generally reckless. HOWEVER, in the Cassie v Liu Kang MU, he is one of the few that can contest her projectiles with his own. Literally, one trade with an amped low fireball, depending on how the match is looking and that's double the damage one kneecappin shot does and the thing of it is, even if Liu kang gets hit, both fireballs come out AND connect. This will depend on the life deficit though.

One other thing I noticed was, the Liu Kang player wasn't establishing that he had the upper hand on offense. Liu Kang has so many options off his blocked go to string that he didn't use. One of these options is the cancel to amped low fireball. The only way Cassie can punish this SO FAR that I've tested is IMMEDIATELY going for a F4 after she blocks the second fire ball.

He could've done other things like parry, end the string earlier and throw.

He also needs to stop trying to jump after nutkick. He is at a total frame disadvantage.

I wonder how much Cassie experience he has? Hmmmm

It was a good set though!
 
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Vslayer said:
Wasn't me I ain't about to t-bag Cassie lmao they're reserved for Jade, Erron and Scorpion.
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He was totally scrub for Cassie he did flip kicks as well but I can't punish it.
I am just not familiar in bullshit. :)
Well no problem with it just meh that people.

Jax is still my nemesis and Liu stagger as well.
When I prepared to stagger I could not win the poke either lol.
Serious lab needed... ton of Jax / Liu.
Probably I need 100-200 matches more with them too.
 
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Apprentice
Vslayer said:
Let me first say that what I say comes from what I know in the moment, and that changes as I learn the game and Cassie in general. This is the first game I have taken seriously and competitively, so I'm still learning.



Not sure who says she has no bad MU, but she does. And MU knowledge is very, very important. How did the Kotal player win against Hayatei's Erron (who is the best in the game)? A big part of it is because Hayatei clearly lacked the MU knowledge.

She has weaknesses, trust me. My experience may not mean a lot to you but I've played her since launch and if you don't exploit her weaknesses then it's no one's fault but yours for not learning the MU.



I called him a scrub because of his attitude, he came in here screaming that 'the bitch needs nerfs' as if he knew what he was talking about, but didn't know to amplify energy burst cost a bar. This goes both ways. He admitted he was salty because he got bodied by her and I pointed out it was his lack of MU, which it was. And since he's playing a character that is great against her, it's probably the main reason he got bodied, outside of skill level differences of course.
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I said she has no bad MU’s. I think she does well against everyone. I also understand that she has weaknesses, and is not unbeatable. I really wish people would talk about how to beat stuff instead of needing a character. People act like sonic won cause of Cassie. He can win tournaments with any character and has proven that in the past.
 
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sars

Apprentice
Hor_PeT said:
He was totally scrub for Cassie he did flip kicks as well but I can't punish it.
I am just not familiar in bullshit. :)
Well no problem with it just meh that people.

Jax is still my nemesis and Liu stagger as well.
When I prepared to stagger I could not win the poke either lol.
Serious lab needed... ton of Jax / Liu.
Probably I need 100-200 matches more with them too.
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I don’t really struggle with Liu, but I’ve also played a lot of them. Jax is just hard online. Hisnoverheads are -7 and can always D1 me after before I hit my F4. That’s online for you
 
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sars said:
I don’t really struggle with Liu, but I’ve also played a lot of them. Jax is just hard online. Hisnoverheads are -7 and can always D1 me after before I hit my F4. That’s online for you
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I am playing all evening against wifi players.
Everybody presses with obvious minus strings and I can not poke back lol.
And when I do I can win lol.

I try to find a good player in casual or room. I sick of KL right now.

For Jax and Liu I should play a good one for long set.
I just could not find out the match up yet. My mind does not clicked against that stagger pressure.
It should not be too hard just I suck in it.
I obviously give them much more room than they should have.
 
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Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
Edlaw said:
GOD SHE'S SO FUCKING CUTE!
shame on whoever dares to fatal her

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She is. I'm not gonna lie. lol. Freaking gorgeous. Whenever I first saw HOTW play her after she was confirmed, I was like "Oh my goodness! She's bad af lol". It's really hard to explain to folks that I like her gameplay in this one compared to MKX even though she was my favorite new character at the time. MKX's gameplay of her didn't fit me since I'm a player who prides myself on getting better at neutral, but in this game, not only do I like her gameplay wise & casually, She's very attractive. I like Erica Linbeck's voice of her too lol. That;s kind of the reason why it's probably hard for folks to watch her get fataled. I hardly talk about video game chicks being sexy. Only characters in video games that I openly talk about like that is Chun-Li lol. So that says a lot. Her, Kitana, Jacqui & Sonya are the best looking girls in the game imo.
 
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lionheart21

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Its Game Over, Man
Hor_PeT said:
I was beaten in a Cassie mirror close in the first match he zoned a lot and lot of bullshit.
He just went to my body and t-bagged like hell.
He spammed Cassie in the character select as well. I wanted to quit this time first.

I decided to quit rather than trying to beating him - I do not even want to play with scrubs like this.
If it was you then congrat lol.
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Never understood why people spam in the character select.

Opponent: "Cassie Cage, Cassie Cage, Cassie Cage, Cassie Cage"

Me: "Great, your select button works. You want a cookie or something?"
 
wsj515

wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
Vslayer said:
Not sure who says she has no bad MU, but she does. And MU knowledge is very, very important. How did the Kotal player win against Hayatei's Erron (who is the best in the game)? A big part of it is because Hayatei clearly lacked the MU knowledge.
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I never said matchup knowledge is not important. I said knowing a matchup doesn't make an unbalanced character balanced. Assuming both players of equal skill and matchup knowledge, just knowing the matchup ultimately gives you no additional edge - the game is new and this definitely isn't the case at the moment at any level, but hopefully you get my point the second time around.

As for Cassie's weaknesses and bad matchups - I think she has no bad matchups, and negligible weaknesses if any. I would love to hear what weak matchups or weaknesses (that actually affect her gameplan) this subforum thinks she has. Stop assuming that this comes from a place of salt/frustration and not knowing the matchup - its possible that I know as much as you do about Cassie, and I'm allowed to think a character is too strong without being salty about it.

Irrelevant, but I also think its really unfair to call Furious Pillow's win over Hayatei due in large part to lack of MU knowledge. A great player played really well and outplayed another player. Its also not hard to believe that people are misevaluating Kotal as some completely unviable lose-at-select-screen character.
 
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lionheart21 said:
Never understood why people spam in the character select.

Opponent: "Cassie Cage, Cassie Cage, Cassie Cage, Cassie Cage"

Me: "Great, your select button works. You want a cookie or something?"
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Maybe he was only 9 year-old no one knows what happens on the other side lol.
His gameplay was totally scrubby too and then the T-bag. It was not even funny.

But his mental war worked: I quited. Probably could have beaten him especially with Scorpion as she had absolutely no footsies at all. Just I did not feel that he deserves any more seconds to play with. :D

Btw yesterday I really labbed Liu's F4, F43 stagger because this is the most problematic to me (I even release block during F4 as I am too messed up). I realized that it is even reactable lol (and if you try to poke back after F4 just on read the f43U3 will not KB). That's much different now.
I am just too freezed without knowing the timing.

After F43 it is a more clear guessing game and where the real punish can happen but that F4, F43 is killing me. :)
Good Liu staggers 1, 12 too it is not easy to stay calm.

Well it is no surprise I struggle against a character who is not my taste. I less struggle against footsies characters as I play the same game too.
 
Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
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wsj515 said:
I never said matchup knowledge is not important. I said knowing a matchup doesn't make an unbalanced character balanced. Assuming both players of equal skill and matchup knowledge, just knowing the matchup ultimately gives you no additional edge - the game is new and this definitely isn't the case at the moment at any level, but hopefully you get my point the second time around.

As for Cassie's weaknesses and bad matchups - I think she has no bad matchups, and negligible weaknesses if any. I would love to hear what weak matchups or weaknesses (that actually affect her gameplan) this subforum thinks she has. Stop assuming that this comes from a place of salt/frustration and not knowing the matchup - its possible that I know as much as you do about Cassie, and I'm allowed to think a character is too strong without being salty about it.

Irrelevant, but I also think its really unfair to call Furious Pillow's win over Hayatei due in large part to lack of MU knowledge. A great player played really well and outplayed another player. Its also not hard to believe that people are misevaluating Kotal as some completely unviable lose-at-select-screen character.
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Her attacks that have the most pushback F2 1+3 and B243 have highs that can be punished so instead of letting it push you back you can just neutral duck and stay right in her face and D2 KB her. They require practice tho cause the timing is tight and if you do it too early you're gonna get the KB (b243). F2 works if you also do it quickly since you can duck the F2 but if you let them do the rest of the string then it'll still push you back, but you can poke her out of it.

Both db1 raw and amp are punishable on block, even if she's not right in your face, if you have advancing attacks you can full combo punish her for doing it close range.

B24 on block, people let her get away with that shit all the time, but you can grab her or poke her out of a grab.

Her low starters are like 18 frames start-up but who needs them when you have F4 which is also a combo starter. Her pokes also suck but you don't really need them, again, since F4 exists.

Jade is her worst MU. She can zone her out and not have to worry about counter-zoning cause of glow. She has long range attacks that Cassie's can't punish even on block cause that staff is hella long. Erron Black is a hard one for her since he does everything she does but better and quicker and he can negate her shots with scud shot and his rifle shots.

Sayin' she has no bad MU is a big stretch dude. I believe that knowing the Cassie MU makes it hella easier if people are equally skilled because she's not that unbalanced. She just has a lot of good buttons that needs slight adjustments. All this hype against Cassie is so overblown. No one was salty to play against her and all of a sudden Sonic says she has no weakness and people are going insane.

lul
 
vegeta

vegeta

Saiyan Prince
Gonna lab/learn her finally this weekend as a secondary. But for some reason I’m more interested in starting with YQ as opposed to DS. Probably because I feel like everyone is using DS lol. Is YQ still decent? Got any scummy stuff?
 
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Apprentice
vegeta said:
Gonna lab/learn her finally this weekend as a secondary. But for some reason I’m more interested in starting with YQ as opposed to DS. Probably because I feel like everyone is using DS lol. Is YQ still decent? Got any scummy stuff?
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I used yaas queen for like 3 weeks and it is super viable, I would also say it’s better in some matchups. She’s really good in the corner, can make it so the opponent never gets to break away. Most matchups I would say digital soldier is the way to go though.
 
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