Cassie Cage General Discussion Thread

[STB Sgt Reed]

Yep, she needs to spend a bar.

That's true, but he's also a very solid character. Ice solid

Thought so! Just proves that dope you're all replying to doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

 

[Vslayer]

I'm sure that's how he was able to beat Dragon who is significantly better. Has nothing to do with Tiers. How many 11 stun 11 glow kicks did you see (0 meter 25%). The stun costs no bar too.

This character has so many positives it's hard to keep track. 0 bad match-ups and you mean to tell me all she needs is a little adjustment on the gun? A joke.

The stun costs a bar, I guess you do your research as well as you lab MUs, huh?

 

[SubZeroIce]

1. Dragon is significantly better then Sonic? In what reality? Neither MK X nor MK 11 results support you theory. Yeah... keep telling that to yourself to justife your poor arguments.

2. You hate Cassie so no way in hell you're objective which is obvious.

3. You have no idea if or how NRS will nerf her, so stop saying that like its "for sure".

4. So just stop and go back to your Sub-Zero forums to downplay him more. Im gonna laugh hard if they nerf him. Coz you know, that's possible.

They probably will nerf Sub-Zero, as long as they fix his hitbox issues, I’d be okay with it.

Personally, I feel like Dragon is generally better at NRS titles. Sonic is amazing obviously but comparing both of them is like comparing Erron and Cassie; it’s a difference between 1-2 positions.

 

[SubZeroIce]

I learn every day with her, you can laugh if you want I really don't give a shit and I don't see how it's pertinent to this conversation other than you needing to be a dick, but it's fine, I'm a dick too.

You can't combo her FB in Digital Soldier other than a simple string, Yaas Queen has more potential since you can stun but I was referring to DS since that's the only one I played - that's my bad I guess.

Yeah, and did you know that if you back up after you block it you can whiff punish her cause it 0 on block? And that it costs 1 bar? And that even if she pressures a whole lot she can't make every single string safe because she needs to spend a resource?

Look around, there are a thousand Subs for a reason, I see them as much as Scorpions in ranked. The amount of Cassie's increased 10x cause people are tier hores, but they also have been constantly playing Sub and Scorp because they're pretty high up there.

And again, lab the MU, instead of just complaining about all that she does well. Dead of Winter is a bad MU for her, try that out. Because you say she's an easy MU for him yet you're in here complaining which is telling me one thing: you're getting bodied by her and even if you 'know' all these things about her, you don't put them in practice. I'm gonna give you one guess as to who's at fault here and it's not the characters in the game.

See you in the patch notes, Scrub zero

The insults all started with you because you felt some type of way of me talking about a clearly top tier character and getting defensive. It’s okay though, I’ll let it go.

I am aware of a lot of that, I already told you it’s a decent matchup for SZ (probably 5-5), so I don’t need tips. I came in here after facing 4 Cassie’s in a row who did the same crap over and over again. And yes, there’s tier whores but people aren’t choosing SZ cause of his tier placement, it’s cause he’s genuinely the most popular character.

Cassie herself needs to be toned down, I apologize if I came out sounding salty but Immortal can tell you I use a lot of hyperboles and hype things up.

 

[SubZeroIce]

The stun costs a bar, I guess you do your research as well as you lab MUs, huh?

I don’t play many people who use Yass queen so I misspoke. With the frequency that sonic fox used that move it felt as if it cost 0 meter.

 

[Vengeance135]

I learn every day with her, you can laugh if you want I really don't give a shit and I don't see how it's pertinent to this conversation other than you needing to be a dick, but it's fine, I'm a dick too.

You can't combo her FB in Digital Soldier other than a simple string, Yaas Queen has more potential since you can stun but I was referring to DS since that's the only one I played - that's my bad I guess.

Yeah, and did you know that if you back up after you block it you can whiff punish her cause it 0 on block? And that it costs 1 bar? And that even if she pressures a whole lot she can't make every single string safe because she needs to spend a resource?

Look around, there are a thousand Subs for a reason, I see them as much as Scorpions in ranked. The amount of Cassie's increased 10x cause people are tier hores, but they also have been constantly playing Sub and Scorp because they're pretty high up there.

And again, lab the MU, instead of just complaining about all that she does well. Dead of Winter is a bad MU for her, try that out. Because you say she's an easy MU for him yet you're in here complaining which is telling me one thing: you're getting bodied by her and even if you 'know' all these things about her, you don't put them in practice. I'm gonna give you one guess as to who's at fault here and it's not the characters in the game.

See you in the patch notes, Scrub zero

Don't you have to enhance the drone stun to actually be able to combo with it?



To be fair, that's because Sub Zero is the most popular MK character.

People will lie and say it's Scorpion, but they're only fooling themselves.

Yo V I think it's best to just ignore this guy. He seems like the type to want to argue just because and stays a jerk while doing it. If you just ignore him, he'll go away.

And yeah Reed I don't understand why cassie has both stuns lol

 

[Vslayer]

The insults all started with you because you felt some type of way of me talking about a clearly top tier character and getting defensive. It’s okay though, I’ll let it go.

I am aware of a lot of that, I already told you it’s a decent matchup for SZ (probably 5-5), so I don’t need tips. I came in here after facing 4 Cassie’s in a row who did the same crap over and over again. And yes, there’s tier whores but people aren’t choosing SZ cause of his tier placement, it’s cause he’s genuinely the most popular character.

Cassie herself needs to be toned down, I apologize if I came out sounding salty but Immortal can tell you I use a lot of hyperboles and hype things up.

Then perhaps you need to not spread misinformation because you came here after being mad salty. Productive discussions don't come out of that and you just antagonized without reason. It's not MY fault that you got bodied by Cassie, I didn't create her I just main her. Learn and do better next time. Ask for tips if you want I'll gladly give them to you.

But asking for an insane amount of nerfs isn't going to help you do better, practicing will. And stop downplaying Sub-Zero, because he is top tier. Not broken, he's just really solid.

 

[Hor_PeT]

I wanted to search for a picture but rather just write: do not feed the troll.

 

[Vslayer]

Yo V I think it's best to just ignore this guy. He seems like the type to want to argue just because and stays a jerk while doing it. If you just ignore him, he'll go away.

Yeah, I got carried away, I'll stop now. It just grinds my freaking gears sometimes.

 

[Vengeance135]

Yeah, I got carried away, I'll stop now. It just grinds my freaking gears sometimes.

No I get it, Sodium levels be hard to contain sometimes. But at the end of the day it's just a game. Stay happy and positive V, don't let anyone ruin your shine my dude(chick) lol

 

[Vslayer]

No I get it, Sodium levels be hard to contain sometimes. But at the end of the day it's just a game. Stay happy and positive V, don't let anyone ruin your shine my dude(chick) lol

Yeah, I need to balance it out with sugar. Cassie exists, so just one look at her and BAM, I'm good to go. XD

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

And yeah Reed I don't understand why cassie has both stuns lol

After seeing it in the trailers, I thought it was originally going to be like, the bubble combos but if you're hit confirming and do it on block you had to ex it to keep yourself safe (still lose your turn, but not get combo'd). But then I saw the data and that definitely wasn't it. Sucks cause I was originally gonna try to make it my ice clone of this game. Twas not to be. RIP

 

[JDE]

I learn every day with her, you can laugh if you want I really don't give a shit and I don't see how it's pertinent to this conversation other than you needing to be a dick, but it's fine, I'm a dick too.

You can't combo her FB in Digital Soldier other than a simple string, Yaas Queen has more potential since you can stun but I was referring to DS since that's the only one I played - that's my bad I guess.

Yeah, and did you know that if you back up after you block it you can whiff punish her cause it 0 on block? And that it costs 1 bar? And that even if she pressures a whole lot she can't make every single string safe because she needs to spend a resource?

Look around, there are a thousand Subs for a reason, I see them as much as Scorpions in ranked. The amount of Cassie's increased 10x cause people are tier hores, but they also have been constantly playing Sub and Scorp because they're pretty high up there.

And again, lab the MU, instead of just complaining about all that she does well. Dead of Winter is a bad MU for her, try that out. Because you say she's an easy MU for him yet you're in here complaining which is telling me one thing: you're getting bodied by her and even if you 'know' all these things about her, you don't put them in practice. I'm gonna give you one guess as to who's at fault here and it's not the characters in the game.

See you in the patch notes, Scrub zero

Honestly I blocked him, because it’s 100 % obvious that he came here to really argue/fight with Cassie mains instead of learn. That match up is actually even imo. I explained it in another thread. Point being it’s a prime example of why I skim over posts on forums now & I post only to good ones from time to time.

He knows what he’s doing.

 

[SubZeroIce]

Then perhaps you need to not spread misinformation because you came here after being mad salty. Productive discussions don't come out of that and you just antagonized without reason. It's not MY fault that you got bodied by Cassie, I didn't create her I just main her. Learn and do better next time. Ask for tips if you want I'll gladly give them to you.

But asking for an insane amount of nerfs isn't going to help you do better, practicing will. And stop downplaying Sub-Zero, because he is top tier. Not broken, he's just really solid.

You also spread misinformation, it works both ways.

Let's be clear on one thing though: YOU started the tension with the insults and calling me a scrub simply because I felt the character needed nerfs (which I admit were aggressive).

Please keep the off-topic Sub-Zero discussion in the Sub-Zero channel.

I too am over this conversation but we can revisit when they release a patch.

 

[Vslayer]

You also spread misinformation, it works both ways.

Let's be clear on one thing though: YOU started the tension with the insults and calling me a scrub simply because I felt the character needed nerfs (which I admit were aggressive).

Please keep the off-topic Sub-Zero discussion in the Sub-Zero channel.

I too am over this conversation but we can revisit when they release a patch.

Yeah I'm gonna AMP low gunshot out of this convo real quick

 

[Hor_PeT]

Yeah I'm gonna AMP low gunshot out of this convo real quick

I recommend you to switch side immediately with AMP glow kick.

 

[Vslayer]

I recommend you to switch side immediately with AMP glow kick.

right right, b24 into amp glow kick and put his ass in the corner.

 

[JDE]

First, I appreciate the maturity coming from you my friend. Discussion is everything and opinions should be respected rather you agree with them or not. As for your suggestions. They actually aren't bad ones.

Reo recently did a video as to what he thinks would make Cassie a bit more fair and the suggestions I remember were making her amped glowkick a little less safe and reducing the chip damage on kneecappin. it's really hard to say nerf her f2, 1+3 move since it's her only real threatening Krushing blow so I can't really agree with that.

Heres a quick breakdown of her Krushing Blow requirements:

F2, 1+3: as you know is a fast 10F high starter that, if it connects as a counter hit, can follow up with a 1+3 for a Krushing blow. 1+3 is plus on block but with a lot of pushback, basically just resetting neutral.

D2 Uppercut: (This one is Universal)

B1,3 (opponent must be blocking high)
Now B1,3 is full combo punishable on block so to go for this krushing blow is super risky, hence why you don't see it used often in high level play.

Charged pistol shot- quite possibly the most LEAST used Krushing blow due to how hard it is to actually connect. You have to hold the charge all the way through and hit someone with it. That's kind of hard since it's a high. At this point, if you get hit with this Krushing blow, you deserve to the damage taken.

Now her F4 being -2 on block is quite interesting. I disagree with this because it's not really eliminating the threat. The threat behind F4 is the fact that its a 9F mid. Making it -2 just means that we will go for the overhead more often and then people will complain that she has a 9F Mid that goes into a safe overhead. Just make F4 10F and keep it Neutral on block so a huge portion of the cast can contest it and call it a day. Neutral on block opens up the mind games for both people.

People say Cassie is "too safe" but in all actuality, shes really too linear and because of her linearity, she has to compensate somehow.

She has 3 moves plus on block that come to mind.

Standing 4 (which is a high)

F2 1+3 (which has a lot of pushback)

F343 (which has a HUGE gap in between 4 and 3) and even has a huge push back if you block the 3 ender.

This Character is otherwise safe but still negative and can easily be telegraphed, especially when she has to take the offensive.

I'm not downplaying in the slightest either. She is easily one of the best characters in the game hands down.

But she is also one of the fairest in the give and take department. You can't just pick her up and autopilot her like you can with characters like Sonya Erron and Geras.

If you want, you and I can lab together. I can show my explanation better then I can type it
Sometimes labbing with a Character specialist can be really eye opening as to the options you have that you didn't know you had.

F343 can also be flawless blocked. -7 if they do.

 

[Vengeance135]

F343 can also be flawless blocked. -7 if they do.

I just gave a quick breakdown lol I can go on for hours.

@Vslayer we should team up and make an in depth look at how to beat Cassie

 

[AK Harold]

I just gave a quick breakdown lol I can go on for hours.

@Vslayer we should team up and make an in depth look at how to beat Cassie

Or just play kotal. . . Works Everytime half the time

 

[lionheart21]

I just gave a quick breakdown lol I can go on for hours.

@Vslayer we should team up and make an in depth look at how to beat Cassie

Best of luck with that, you guys.

 

[Vslayer]

I just gave a quick breakdown lol I can go on for hours.

@Vslayer we should team up and make an in depth look at how to beat Cassie

Yo let's do it!

 

[JDE]

I wanted to wait to say this because I think he's a spectacular player & I like him (personally. I've met him before & me & his brother are good friends), & I didn't want to come off as a hater but people really & I mean REALLY need to stop letting Sonic Fox make the decision of a character's viability all the time. Be your own player & do your own research instead of just always taking what him or other high level players into full context as if it's the law & only 1 order. Sometimes, he likes to reach & witchhunt. It's hard for folks to go against him because he's a good player & they'll always side with him no matter what right or wrong. Dude is just a beast. It doesn't mean you always have to agree with him or he's always right.

People do that all the time & it's almost folks can't stand on their own 2 feet or know how to break down a character themselves. Again, I believe Sonic is a great player, very friendly & I do agree with a lot of what he says, but there's times to where he'll troll too & it's hard to take him serious at times. I even watch his gameplay & apply what I learn from him (& PL as well as Scar & others) to my game. He also runs through characters like day & night. 1 minute he'll say a character is top 5 then they're not the next. So, I take what's being said with a grain of salt too.

 

[Vslayer]

I wanted to wait to say this because I think he's a spectacular player & I like him (personally. I've met him before & me & his brother are good friends), & I didn't want to come off as a hater but people really & I mean REALLY need to stop letting Sonic Fox make the decision of a character's viability all the time. Be your own player & do your own research instead of just always taking what him or other high level players into full context as if it's the law & only 1 order. Sometimes, he likes to reach & witchhunt. It's hard for folks to go against him because he's a good player & they'll always side with him no matter what right or wrong.

People do that all the time & it's almost folks can't stand on their own 2 feet or know how to break down a character. Again, I believe Sonic is a great player & I do agree with a lot of what he says, but there's times to where he'll troll too & it's hard to take him serious at times. He also runs through characters like day & night. 1 minute he'll say a character is top 5 then they're not the next. So, I take what's being said with a grain of salt too.

Yep and because he's a great player people will just agree with him whether he's right or not, people will not lab anything, they'll take their own skill for granted and take Sonic's word for it. He says Cassie is #1 and all of a sudden, people forget about Sonya and Erron having their own issues.

The first week the game came out, it was all about how Geras was insane, then it moved to Sonya and then Erron and then Sub-Zero and now it's Cassie. In two weeks it'll be Johnny. It's ridiculous, pros are hyping up characters and that's why some of them would get nerfed in the past. I really hope they wait and make slight changes this time around.

 

[JDE]

Yep and because he's a great player people will just agree with him whether he's right or not, people will not lab anything, they'll take their own skill for granted and take Sonic's word for it. He says Cassie is #1 and all of a sudden, people forget about Sonya and Erron having their own issues.

The first week the game came out, it was all about how Geras was insane, then it moved to Sonya and then Erron and then Sub-Zero and now it's Cassie. In two weeks it'll be Johnny. It's ridiculous, pros are hyping up characters and that's why some of them would get nerfed in the past. I really hope they wait and make slight changes this time around.

Yeah exactly. We all know he's a strong player, but he's human & has opinions like everyone else. They're not going to always be right.

I mean me personally, I still believe Sonya is the best character in the game with Erron & Geras next. I have Cassie at #4 at best 6 at worst in my top 10, but I honestly hope that they wait until the end of the year to patch the game like some others do. The game is constantly changing in terms of what people think of the characters which is a good thing. So I still think they should let the game breathe more instead of waiting until after EVO.

 

[lionheart21]

Yep and because he's a great player people will just agree with him whether he's right or not, people will not lab anything, they'll take their own skill for granted and take Sonic's word for it. He says Cassie is #1 and all of a sudden, people forget about Sonya and Erron having their own issues.

The first week the game came out, it was all about how Geras was insane, then it moved to Sonya and then Erron and then Sub-Zero and now it's Cassie. In two weeks it'll be Johnny. It's ridiculous, pros are hyping up characters and that's why some of them would get nerfed in the past. I really hope they wait and make slight changes this time around.

"In two weeks, it'll be Johnny." Yeah, in my dreams, maybe,