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I came here to get info, found bickering about nerfs, saw someone call her nest and not dirty at all, got tilted. My bad. I apologize for generally discussing how you guys were fortunate to have the best character, but the downplay and lack of fg fundamentals baffled me. I also, more sincerely, apologize for being rude. If anyone wants to test my understanding of the game, Im DrYukinariOhkido on PSN.
Not everyone knows everything or has the understanding you have about FGs and instead of talking down to people you could just explain the concept and help someone in the process. Getting angry when people don't understand is not the right way to go about it. Glad you noticed that tho. We're all here to help each other, not measure the length out of FG dicks.
 
Ok, how can you fuzzy guard garas 50/50 of of 111. The low and overhead come out at the same frame unless frame data changed recently. I never mentioned Cassie 111 so that point is weird, don’t know why you would bring it up. It’s only good for punishes or auto shimmy. Yeah Sonya 50/50 is fuzzyable but you only have like a frame or 2 so it’s not like it’s easy. Sorry my post was offensive, I’ve just never heard someone complain about having to make a read. If we never had to make reads no one would get openend up.
Sonya'a B12/B14 has 1 frame difference.
Few minutes practice room with 100 ping friend. :)
Fuzzying the follow up (stagger or not, slide or shot) is just ice on the cake and Sonya is easily bottom tier now.
She needs that B1 mid.

By the way I also (try to) fuzzy 3-5 frames things (started with Cassie's B243 vs B24xxBF4 as an example, or Liu Kang's F43xx Low shot/amp/parry, etc.) but I did not touch Sonya's 50/50 yet.
I do not think I will every do. I rather try to beat her in footsies then guess. :)

But I do not consider myself a high level player.
 
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sars

Noob
I came here to get info, found bickering about nerfs, saw someone call her nest and not dirty at all, got tilted. My bad. I apologize for generally discussing how you guys were fortunate to have the best character, but the downplay and lack of fg fundamentals baffled me. I also, more sincerely, apologize for being rude. If anyone wants to test my understanding of the game, Im DrYukinariOhkido on PSN.
I think we all understand she’s good, I never meant to talk down to you if you felt that way that’s my bad. I understand shit on the internet can come off wrong. We are all allowed to disagree. If everyone agreed with everything nothing would ever be discussed. We need discussion to help the game
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Explain why she isnt.
because you can't just pick her up and do f4 all day, yes it's a great stagger but you don't autopilot win with her by just pressing and hiconfirming f4. like I said cassie benefits a lot from good fundamentals. people like foxy or st9rm are mopping everyone with her because she gives you all the options you need when you're a great player overall but if you're not and mindlessly doing low gunshots and f4 it won't work out against people who have a decent understanding of the game, with other top tiers you can do better without investing as much time as you need with her.
I agree with her being the best character right now but saying she's braindead is just wrong.
though as I've always said low gunshot is pretty dumb and will be adjusted in some way probably.
 

Professor Oak

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Ok, how can you fuzzy guard garas 50/50 of of 111. The low and overhead come out at the same frame unless frame data changed recently. I never mentioned Cassie 111 so that point is weird, don’t know why you would bring it up. It’s only good for punishes or auto shimmy. Yeah Sonya 50/50 is fuzzyable but you only have like a frame or 2 so it’s not like it’s easy. Sorry my post was offensive, I’ve just never heard someone complain about having to make a read. If we never had to make reads no one would get openend up.
Youre the one who brought up 111. I dont think you know the difference between a read and a hard read. You may be right babout Geras, Ill double check, but I mostly take the low or react to stagger online. Bette to avoid kb. You lack general conversation skills and are making bad points. Please hold this L in silence, maintaining a mutual respect, I hate using this sites ignore function. NO one is complaining about making reads, goon. F4 stagger makes cassie have far too many options to consistently make the right read in a ft2 tournament setting. Thats the point, that its very strong. If you dont get that, take your game back to Gamestop. Theyll give you more than your opinion is worth at this point in time.
 

Professor Oak

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Blocking Sonyas 50/50, fuzzy. Not aread. Idk wahat character youre talking about with 111, but cassies is -8 and punishable and all jabs start high. Not a read or a good comparison. Blocking geras 50/50 is also fuzzyable and like Sonya, one option is full combo punishable. F4 tagger can be walk back, another f4, a poke, many things. That makes it a HARD read where she risks nothing. I agree that a lot of neutral is spacing, reads, reactions, character knowledge, an player knowledge. Aside from that, your post is ofrensive to my eyes.
I see you mean Geras with 111 now. You can poke him when youre ducking, too. If you block, he conditioned you. Its a very different situation and you bringing it up AND glossing over my stated misunderstanding in my reply is juvenile bickering. We are talking about cassie. All things can be boiled down to read and reaction, the quantity and quality of tools to force reads and counter them and the inherent risk/reward of fighting games is the discussion.
 

sars

Noob
I see you mean Geras with 111 now. You can poke him when youre ducking, too. If you block, he conditioned you. Its a very different situation and you bringing it up AND glossing over my stated misunderstanding in my reply is juvenile bickering. We are talking about cassie. All things can be boiled down to read and reaction, the quantity and quality of tools to force reads and counter them and the inherent risk/reward of fighting games is the discussion.
What do you suggest to balance F4 just wondering.
 

Professor Oak

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Not everyone knows everything or has the understanding you have about FGs and instead of talking down to people you could just explain the concept and help someone in the process. Getting angry when people don't understand is not the right way to go about it. Glad you noticed that tho. We're all here to help each other, not measure the length out of FG dicks.
Youre right and Im sorry. i just wish people would take it as advice rather than throw every argument they can muster atme. Even still, its probably my attitude. Ill work on it in the irl practice mode.
 

sars

Noob
Youre the one who brought up 111. I dont think you know the difference between a read and a hard read. You may be right babout Geras, Ill double check, but I mostly take the low or react to stagger online. Bette to avoid kb. You lack general conversation skills and are making bad points. Please hold this L in silence, maintaining a mutual respect, I hate using this sites ignore function. NO one is complaining about making reads, goon. F4 stagger makes cassie have far too many options to consistently make the right read in a ft2 tournament setting. Thats the point, that its very strong. If you dont get that, take your game back to Gamestop. Theyll give you more than your opinion is worth at this point in time.
Don’t know why you have to call me names or tell me to return my game, it’s not that serious. I’m just an old fart that enjoys fighting games. Why would I return my game over a discussion. Cassie can not just throw out F4 all match and win. They still have to be smart with it.
 

Professor Oak

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because you can't just pick her up and do f4 all day, yes it's a great stagger but you don't autopilot win with her by just pressing and hiconfirming f4. like I said cassie benefits a lot from good fundamentals. people like foxy or st9rm are mopping everyone with her because she gives you all the options you need when you're a great player overall but if you're not and mindlessly doing low gunshots and f4 it won't work out against people who have a decent understanding of the game, with other top tiers you can do better without investing as much time as you need with her.
I agree with her being the best character right now but saying she's braindead is just wrong.
though as I've always said low gunshot is pretty dumb and will be adjusted in some way probably.
Fair point, but I do still think shes mindless. F4, gun, throw, b3 covers a whole lot. But maybe Id change my stance if everyone hasnt picked her up recently and started doing well with essentially just those things.
 

sars

Noob
Fair point, but I do still think shes mindless. F4, gun, throw, b3 covers a whole lot. But maybe Id change my stance if everyone hasnt picked her up recently and started doing well with essentially just those things.
I actually changed to yaas queen a couple weeks ago, will probably never go back. It’s all about footsies and spacing. Also don’t have low gunshot as a crutch. Gotta make your way in, and stay at your range.
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Fair point, but I do still think shes mindless. F4, gun, throw, b3 covers a whole lot. But maybe Id change my stance if everyone hasnt picked her up recently and started doing well with essentially just those things.
I feel you, in the beginning of the game there where literally no cassie players except a few but since sf and the twins said she's top tier she's way more used and I'm really annoyed by that as well. though I don't struggle as much against her anymore it's a pretty stressful matchup nevertheless.
 
I feel you, in the beginning of the game there where literally no cassie players except a few but since sf and the twins said she's top tier she's way more used and I'm really annoyed by that as well. though I don't struggle as much against her anymore it's a pretty stressful matchup nevertheless.
I can not decide who is more stressful to play against.. Geras, Erron, Sonya, Cassie, Scorpion, Jaqui... :)
 

Professor Oak

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You would still have to make a dicision before hand. The 2 frames won’t make it any less strong. I would be fine with that. To me that’s not even a nerf worth talking about.
It would make a second f4 11f so you could beat that with a mid rather than just a poke, of course if your char has a ten frame mid. basically it would let you make people stop trying to play her mindlessly. Rn the only way to get actual damage when you make that read is a jab, and those often get stuffed due to hit/hurtboxes. Id go as far as making it -5, but -2 is enough for me to beat it With Kung Lao for my bnb into meaty.
 

Goatlegs

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There’s more to f4 than just doing f4 again guys lol. After a f4 she can always do f4,1, f4,1 amp upkick, shimmy and fish for b2 (which has its own staggers and shimmy situations), d4/d1, throw, f4,1,2 if you feel like being punished, etc. Not to mention she gets this situation off every nut kick.
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
It would make a second f4 11f so you could beat that with a mid rather than just a poke, of course if your char has a ten frame mid. basically it would let you make people stop trying to play her mindlessly. Rn the only way to get actual damage when you make that read is a jab, and those often get stuffed due to hit/hurtboxes. Id go as far as making it -5, but -2 is enough for me to beat it With Kung Lao for my bnb into meaty.
I don't even bother going for someting else than d1 if I know that she'll stagger. at least you get your turn, it's better than nothing
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
There’s more to f4 than just doing f4 again guys lol. After a f4 she can always do f4,1, f4,1 amp upkick, shimmy and fish for b2 (which has its own staggers and shimmy situations), d4/d1, throw, f4,1,2 if you feel like being punished, etc. Not to mention she gets this situation off every nut kick.
yes that's true but that's nothing excusivly to cassie that's just how staggers work. anyone with a good mid can do this.
 

Professor Oak

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There’s more to f4 than just doing f4 again guys lol. After a f4 she can always do f4,1, f4,1 amp upkick, shimmy and fish for b2 (which has its own staggers and shimmy situations), d4/d1, throw, f4,1,2 if you feel like being punished, etc. Not to mention she gets this situation off every nut kick.
Thank you my dude. This is what Im saying. f4 leads to so much, its a very hard read and most of the answers people have are 'just do this'. Most of the time you get your turn back, but I want damage for making that read, otherwise it should be accepted that shes tippy top tier.
 

Professor Oak

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yes that's true but that's nothing excusivly to cassie that's just how staggers work. anyone with a good mid can do this.
yes that's true but that's nothing excusivly to cassie that's just how staggers work. anyone with a good mid can do this.
But not everyone has a neutral staggerable mid. She has the best one is all Ive been saying. Walk back is literally the best option, and I know and effectively use that, but it doesnt feel honest that her mid is the fastest, best on block stagger and she has presence everywhere else. But its not broken, just very very good.