It's only -6 if he does F2 by itself. Which, if you block, he gets nothing and he may be safe, but it's your turn.
You realise the overhead option comes with the ex ice ball, right? Which is unsafe. Nobody is mixing you up with the lone overhead that is negative on hit. They are cancelling into the ex ice ball.
Yeah, it's still a mixup that's -6 on block in both cases. That's all that needs to change.
You need to move away from this mentality that a safe mixup move is okay because it has to be cancelled.
No, your argument is awful. You are saying F2 on its own needs to not be safe. The "problem" with Sub Zero is F2 cancelling into ex ice ball and allowing sub zero to loop you into a vortex. Why the hell would they nerf F2 which is already negative ON HIT? If Sub Zero hits you with F2 on its own, he gets nothing. It is literally your turn to press buttons. Why the hell would they nerf a move that is negative on hit by making it unsafe on block too?You need to move away from this mentality that a safe mixup move is okay because it has to be cancelled.
Next you'll argue that all the braindead shit in MKX was fine because all you had to do was guess right
Because he cancels it on hit and doesn't cancel it on block. So he gets a combo on hit and is safe on block.
NRS has grown wiser if we're lucky enough.
Except he does cancel it on block. It's not hit confirmable.
Staggers. Seriously, just, stop worrying about Sub getting overnerfed and accept that F2 and B3 need to be unsafe on block. I'm not saying -40 just make them -12 so the Risk/Reward is not entirely in favour of him.
You literally just made a series of posts full of misinformation, confirming that you haven't labbed the character at all and don't know what you are talking about, yet here you are telling people that the character needs to be nerfed. You didn't even know that F2 into ex ice ball isn't hit confirmable and needs to be committed to.
Dude, seriously, what are you talking about? Are you suggesting that SZ players are hit confirming a single hit move? F2 is not hit confirmable. It's also -3 on hit if you do it by itself. The only way to make use of it is to commit blindly to options that are all punishable.
There is no Sub-Zero just throwing out naked F2s lol that thing is negative ON HIT
It is rational, because not only is it too early for tiers yet, most characters don't have very good tourny variations, and more are supposed to be coming, which could change everything up. Custom variations should have been the only way to play from day 1. I'm sorry if you don't like the idea it takes time to fully dissect a game, but I'd rather not have rampant nerfs from an outraged vocal group ruining the game.
My biggest problem with this guy is that all of his regular strings are safe. If he's supposed to be a 50/50 monster then leave that the way it is, it's not a hard punish on a correct guess, but it's so easy for Sub in the neutral to mix up staggers of his almost universally safe strings. If he gets to retain this 50/50 then he needs to be waaaaay less safe in general. I feel like I'm constantly trying to poke out of neverending safe stagger pressure and thats when I get hit with his big damage.
