MK11 KABAL Discussion

[Jhonnykiller45]

i didnt see his diagonal buzzsaw in the moves options o.0

It's a default special move. You can replace it with the straight air one.

 

[Invincible Salads]

It's a default special move. You can replace it with the straight air one.

k, now second question, i thought that armored move kabal was doing was a wake up only, how come he was doing it on block strings?

 

[podizzler3000]

k, now second question, i thought that armored move kabal was doing was a wake up only, how come he was doing it on block strings?

thats a flawless block counter

 

[Invincible Salads]

thats a flawless block counter

did they change how that works at all? can you still just os it in blockstrings with gaps?

 

[pure.Wasted]

Am I the only person in the world having trouble inputting nomad dash after Amp Low Spinner? The timing feels so tight.

I used to have the hang of it more or less but now I lost the timing and it's literally F2 over and over and over. FML.

 

[Professor Oak]

The Mirror match is cancer for me rn

 

[DixieFlatline78]

The Mirror match is cancer for me rn

It's not fun, but get used to it while the beta is up. I use the Air Dash against him and Jade and it helps

 

[Peckapowa]

Kabal has the best zoning in the beta.



Everyone needs to watch the series between Sonic Fox (Kabal) and Semiij (Skarlet) below, which currently represents the highest level of play. Kabal's aerial downward buzz saw seems highly effective for zoning and in the neutral.

I disagree skarlets zoning is stronger it's not evenclose

 

[babalook]

The Mirror match is cancer for me rn

lol, there's nothing more painful than a Kabal mirror where both players have their fatal blows.

 

[M.D.]

The only problem is that 90% of the tech and OP-esness of this char is based arround the single restand move. If that's gone out of the 3 official variations, then DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN


Also...I think I haven't seen a single move in this beta worse than kabal's in place kung laoish spin.

Does 5% damage, won't spin on block, is -500, practically I have no idea what's with it even being implemented. It looks like a placeholder as it is now.

 

[Invincible Salads]

The only problem is that 90% of the tech and OP-esness of this char is based arround the single restand move. If that's gone out of the 3 official variations, then DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN


Also...I think I haven't seen a single move in this beta worse than kabal's in place kung laoish spin.

Does 5% damage, won't spin on block, is -500, practically I have no idea what's with it even being implemented. It looks like a placeholder as it is now.

the restand is fine, the fatal blow is a bit fast tho. probably should slow it down.

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

What do you guys connect after amplified hook grab midscreen?

If you are talking about DB2 hook that grabs out of air.

It depends on what you started with it if you can connect with the move before and what move you do after depends on moves used earlier in combo which effects damage.

combo with:

111 xx Nomad Dash(BF3), S4 xx Hook Grab DB2+Amp, 3 xx DB3(Restand) 30% 1bar

B12 xx Nomad Dash(BF3), walk forward, 23 xx Hook Grab(DB2) + Amp, F4 xx DB4/DB3.
29-31% 1bar.

23 xx DB2+Amp, 23 xx BF3, S3/S4 xx DB3 (Restand that is +6 on block) allows you to use moves that are 12 frames and faster. (36-37%) 1bar

 

[Vslayer]

If you are talking about DB2 hook that grabs out of air.

It depends on what you started with it if you can connect with the move before and what move you do after depends on moves used earlier in combo which effects damage.

combo with:

111 xx Nomad Dash, S4 xx DB2+Amp, 3 xx DB3(Restand) 30% 1bar

B12 xx Nomad Dash, walk forward, 23 xx Hook Grab + Amp, F4 xx DB4/DB3.
29-31% 1bar.

23 xx DB2+Amp, 23 xx BF3, S3/S4 xx DB3 (Restand that is +6 on block) allows you to use moves that are 12 frames and faster. (36-37%)

I meant hook slam, db4. But I'll try those out too, thanks! Usually go for f3 or 2,3 into nomad dash.

 

[MKF30]

I find it funny how every MK game he's in he's good, then bad, then good, then bad lol. I personally like him as the anti hero over Kano's lackey imo. But anyway, he's fun to play with. I don't think he's nearly as good as MK 9 Kabal but he's not bad either. His zoning is good, at least on par with Jade's. Skarlet's ain't bad either in terms of just zoning.

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

I meant hook slam, db4. But I'll try those out too, thanks! Usually go for f3 or 2,3 into nomad dash.

Yeah I've had a few hiccups on the KB combos but I found out the B12D2 KB, the 23 is hard to link but the 11 xx Nomad Dash has a huge window to catch after that crushing blow.

 

[Vslayer]

Yeah I've had a few hiccups on the KB combos but I found out the B12D2 KB, the 23 is hard to link but the 11 xx Nomad Dash has a huge window to catch after that crushing blow.

yeah, I feel like you have to input 2,3 during the slow mo thing or it'll start up too late. I'll try 1,1, thanks

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

yeah, I feel like you have to input 2,3 during the slow mo thing or it'll start up too late. I'll try 1,1, thanks

Wait you can input it then? It has recovery stun every time I try to input early nothing comes out?
I timed it once and got it down but after waking up I lost it. I just need a practice mode to lab it up until I have the muscle memory beat into my skull.

 

[Professor Oak]

I fucking hate not having training mode. I keep getting blown up by gimmicks and sloppy play and Im mad salty.

 

[Vslayer]

Wait you can input it then? It has recovery stun every time I try to input early nothing comes out?
I timed it once and got it down but after waking up I lost it. I just need a practice mode to lab it up until I have the muscle memory beat into my skull.

I got it once on stream, I did the input while it was in slow mo. I can't wait to have the freaking training mode XD

 

[lionheart21]

I fucking hate not having training mode. I keep getting blown up by gimmicks and sloppy play and Im mad salty.

That's why I'm just sticking to the Towers for now, I wanna get the basics mastered first before I jump online.

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

I fucking hate not having training mode. I keep getting blown up by gimmicks and sloppy play and Im mad salty.

All of us need to tag Tyler and Boon/NRS employees and ask for last day Practice Mode, beg, gravel lie and cheat until we get lab mode!
I've already tagged Tyler on Twitter maybe if enough of us do it we will get it for a day?

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

That's why I'm just sticking to the Towers for now, I wanna get the basics mastered first before I jump online.

Yeah I'm playing Tower on Hard/Very Hard practicing Pokes, Reversals, Punishers, Spacing with all Kanals moves, What counters opponents moves ect.

There are a few things I can't practice though. The AI doesn't Jump (JIP/JIK) at all so I can't practice Anti-Airs!! It's frustrating. I always loved labbing up AAs on MKX and Cassie's s1 was beast for stopping crossovers and JIKs.

Best I can tell is Kabals AAs are:

D1
S1
S3
F2
And ofc D2 but no follow up.
Then Hook Grab DB2 if timed correctly will require lab time for proper punishes.
I'd rather use 1,3,D1 since it's meterless

But I'm not gonna practice it online that's for sure especially with Kabals using Air Gas Dash like madmen.

 

[lionheart21]

All of us need to tag Tyler and Boon/NRS employees and ask for last day Practice Mode, beg, gravel lie and cheat until we get lab mode!
I've already tagged Tyler on Twitter maybe if enough of us do it we will get it for a day?

Sadly, I'm gonna have to work for that time, but if you guys can pull that off, by all means, go for it.

 

[lionheart21]

Yeah I'm playing Tower on Hard/Very Hard practicing Pokes, Reversals, Punishers, Spacing with all Kanals moves, What counters opponents moves ect.

There are a few things I can't practice though. The AI doesn't Jump (JIP/JIK) at all so I can't practice Anti-Airs!! It's frustrating. I always loved labbing up AAs on MKX and Cassie's s1 was beast for stopping crossovers and JIKs.

Also been tough to see what works in the corner, mainly been using it for practicing footsies

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

All of us need to tag Tyler and Boon/NRS employees and ask for last day Practice Mode, beg, gravel lie and cheat until we get lab mode!
I've already tagged Tyler on Twitter maybe if enough of us do it we will get it for a day?

I don't think practice is even in this build at all. Like they would have to release a patch to add it lol.