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Noble Dragon Wins Injustice 2 @ EVO 2017!

This is 100% true, but I also think that Honeybee, like all of us to some extent, has a tendency to downplay his own main.
I main Flash and my number is 11 right now for disadvantaged match ups, potentially 13 with the two DLC characters. I don't even consider Superman a bad match up, but still a lot of Flash players put his bad match ups at over 10. I feel a lot of people overlook his struggles just because he has a 50/50.

Had Gross understood what to punish against Honeybee the match could have looked very different. He didn't know he could punish Flash's Lightning Kick. If you know how to punish them, Flash doesn't have a single safe cancel on block.
 

Grape Juice City

Shaolin boyz
Oh dear maybe I was wrong about the diversity but to be quite frank, diversity doesn't matter when there's only one core winner. That one winner was Aquaman and there were many Aquamans being played throughout the tournament, same with BA, Catwoman, Superman, Batman but it doesn't take away the fact of my original post: It doesn't matter WHAT characters are played in the name of "diversity", the winner is usually the deciding factor and main integer that is going to be used to determine the factors in this case, Aquaman won and there were PLENTY even before Dragon got to top 8.
You're moving goal posts. Stop. And what "factors" are you even referring to?

The top 8 stream tonight was probably the most diverse this game will get at this point but that isn't by coincidence. This doesn't magically rub away all those majors where the majority (80-90% of the time,) have been with top tiers throughout. However you slice it, the odds are still low for those who want character diversity.
Game was released 2 months ago. There's been a whopping total of 3 majors including Evo. 4 if you include Toryuken, where neither BA or Aquaman make an appearance in top 8. Again, please stop.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
There was only one actual Aqua in top 8 and that was Dragon. Honeybee plays him as a secondary I guess but he did worse with Aqua than Flash.

Also as dumb as Aqua is, he's not even as good as Catwoman or Black Adam when considering matchups. He's just boring which people equate to being as broke as CW or BA. If the entire top 8 would have consisted of Aqua then you would have a point, but it didn't. Dragon won because he outplayed everyone, straight up.
is this generally accepted? I'm not making a judgment one way or the other, but are we already that confident in our matchup knowledge?
 
Dragon played very well and deserved it. Sad people are just salty because they think the players should be playing for their entertainment rather than to try and win. You can always just not watch. Simple solution. Your whining will not change and single thing the fighting games will always be as they are.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
is this generally accepted? I'm not making a judgment one way or the other, but are we already that confident in our matchup knowledge?
100% confident? Of course not.

But I've yet to hear who BA or Catwoman loses to. It's generally agreed that Ivy beats Aqua pretty bad (Agreed by Ivy community and Aqua community). Atro also most likely beats him according to most Atros. Catwoman and BA are also thought to beat Aqua, which would point to them being slightly above him on the tier list.
 

Temp

Salmon. Otters. The Bringer.
Congrats to Dragon. He played well, and now he has the money to show for it. Huge congrats to Honeybee as well. No matter what happens after tonight, his Flash play will go down as legend.

I do hope people reevaluate the usefulness of counterpicking after this. There were so many instances of people running to a top tier only to lose. I'm not saying counterpicking is some moral evil, but it may not be the pragmatic solution everyone thinks it is. Sure, counterpicking has led to success in some cases, but I think we need to re-analyze WHY it worked in those instances.

Also, Green Lantern needs buffs. :DOGE
 

ShArp

Dedicated Broly main
Lmao. Aquafuckingman takes EVO. Congrats to HNB, the dude worked his ass off, deserved the win. Congratz to other top 8 players aswel.
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
MB Trident Rush.
That's all I can think about now.

Honeybee had me more hyped than I have ever been in evo. I never rooted so hard for someone I barely watched.

I understand Dragon won, and congratulations on your Evo victory, but HoneyBee deserves a ton of credit for his performance/character loyalty and work.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Here's the thing. Yes, Aquaman is a top tier character. Yes, Aquaman is boring to watch and annoying to play against. We all already knew this before EVO. None of that matters in regards to winning. If you're a professional fighting game player playing for IPS points and huge cash payouts, you're going to either pick the best characters, or the characters that best fit your style. It is not Dragon's fault that Aquaman is a boring character.

But to claim he only won because of the character is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant. Dragon plays the damn game like over 10 hours a day, grinding. He keeps notes on everything as he's shown on twitter. Notes on matchups, specific scenarios, player tendencies, match footage, etc. He's a student of the game. He started using Aquaman early and has said multiple times he has fun using him and Ivy out of the entire roster.

There's not a single character in Injustice 2 that you can pick and have them carry you to a top 8 at a major. And certainly not top 8 at EVO. You have to be an absolutely phenomenal player to make top 8 regardless of your character choice. There's a reason Dragon consistently makes top 8. If it was his character only than everyone who uses Aquaman would be making top 8. Many many MANY Aquaman players drowned in pools or later on in the tournament.

You simply cannot take away the amount of time and dedication this kid puts into the game. He treats it like any professional gamer should, a job. He made $25k+ in 2 days from playing a video game he loves. That should be nothing but celebrated, as we all are gamers ourselves. Dragon played flawlessly and to take credit away from his win because he used a boring character is asinine and childish. Give him the props he deserves for surviving 800+ players and not losing a single set to anyone he faced. That's an amazing feat no matter how you want to look at it.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
this community makes me fucking sick.

Anti-Hardcore Cactus Jack had the right idea.
There's a few dozen good souls between the piles of the pile.
But otherwise, fuck the lot of you all who tried to tear Dragon down for being the best at what he does.

Fuck you all to which the previous statement applies.
Glengarry Glen Ross rules.
Never stop closing.
Dragon didn't.
I don't give a fuck what bodies his past is littered with.
Save it for later.
He's the champ. Let him have his day.
For the good of what we all do and try to stand for, we owe him that.

There's no honor in this craft anymore among the grunts and the dreamers, and that fucking sucks.

good night.
 
Here's the thing. Yes, Aquaman is a top tier character. Yes, Aquaman is boring to watch and annoying to play against. We all already knew this before EVO. None of that matters in regards to winning. If you're a professional fighting game player playing for IPS points and huge cash payouts, you're going to either pick the best characters, or the characters that best fit your style. It is not Dragon's fault that Aquaman is a boring character.

But to claim he only won because of the character is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant. Dragon plays the damn game like over 10 hours a day, grinding. He keeps notes on everything as he's shown on twitter. Notes on matchups, specific scenarios, player tendencies, match footage, etc. He's a student of the game. He started using Aquaman early and has said multiple times he has fun using him and Ivy out of the entire roster.

There's not a single character in Injustice 2 that you can pick and have them carry you to a top 8 at a major. And certainly not top 8 at EVO. You have to be an absolutely phenomenal player to make top 8 regardless of your character choice. There's a reason Dragon consistently makes top 8. If it was his character only than everyone who uses Aquaman would be making top 8. Many many MANY Aquaman players drowned in pools or later on in the tournament.

You simply cannot take away the amount of time and dedication this kid puts into the game. He treats it like any professional gamer should, a job. He made $25k+ in 2 days from playing a video game he loves. That should be nothing but celebrated, as we all are gamers ourselves. Dragon played flawlessly and to take credit away from his win because he used a boring character is asinine and childish. Give him the props he deserves for surviving 800+ players and not losing a single set to anyone he faced. That's an amazing feat no matter how you want to look at it.
I want to print off this post and stick it to my wall tbqh.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Here's the thing. Yes, Aquaman is a top tier character. Yes, Aquaman is boring to watch and annoying to play against. We all already knew this before EVO. None of that matters in regards to winning. If you're a professional fighting game player playing for IPS points and huge cash payouts, you're going to either pick the best characters, or the characters that best fit your style. It is not Dragon's fault that Aquaman is a boring character.

But to claim he only won because of the character is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant. Dragon plays the damn game like over 10 hours a day, grinding. He keeps notes on everything as he's shown on twitter. Notes on matchups, specific scenarios, player tendencies, match footage, etc. He's a student of the game. He started using Aquaman early and has said multiple times he has fun using him and Ivy out of the entire roster.

There's not a single character in Injustice 2 that you can pick and have them carry you to a top 8 at a major. And certainly not top 8 at EVO. You have to be an absolutely phenomenal player to make top 8 regardless of your character choice. There's a reason Dragon consistently makes top 8. If it was his character only than everyone who uses Aquaman would be making top 8. Many many MANY Aquaman players drowned in pools or later on in the tournament.

You simply cannot take away the amount of time and dedication this kid puts into the game. He treats it like any professional gamer should, a job. He made $25k+ in 2 days from playing a video game he loves. That should be nothing but celebrated, as we all are gamers ourselves. Dragon played flawlessly and to take credit away from his win because he used a boring character is asinine and childish. Give him the props he deserves for surviving 800+ players and not losing a single set to anyone he faced. That's an amazing feat no matter how you want to look at it.
Literal post of the year.

#FatherOfDragons
#TheUnburnedOneVersionTwo
#TridentsAndBlood
 

Vigilante24

Beware my power, Red Lantern's Light
Can we talk about how every character was on stream except Captain Cold? Worst character in the game confirmed. Still had one soul brave enough to pull out Swamp Thing over Cold. :(
 

The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
I'm gonna start this post off by saying I'm not a big fan of Dragon, he's just not a very likeable character and I'm not sure why.

However, all this complaining is absolutely taking the piss. Why do you people care so strongly about this? He won, get over it. He used Aquaman, get over it.

How many other players in EVO used Aquaman? Probably about 1/3 of them, did they win EVO? No they didn't. You can criticise Dragon for a lot of things. But his skill, regardless of what character he uses, is not one of them. Hell, I used to think it was just the character when he first picked up Alien and started doing well. And he's proven me wrong in my eyes so grats to the little man
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
There were so many adam picks in hope it would braindead carry the win I lost count. And in most cases it worked.

You'd have to be clueless not to nerf him.

Also Aquaman nerfs anytime soon? Two string one move wonder winning evo? I thought scarecrow was top 5.

Lol the sheer ammount of useless.
 

mkkm

Noob
Seriously i don't know why there is so much hate towards Dragon the dude is an amazing player, if Fox would've won with Blackadam people would say "well, he is a god with or without Blackadam" also Honeybee did try Aquaman so why the booing and hate against Dragon i just don't understand it.