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Berzerker, Kensei, and Lawbringer seem better. No one seems brokenly good or bad anymore. Rage doesn't pop every few seconds and its no longer Godmode. Things are better. Slight tweaks to boost Nobushi and Orochi and slight nerfs to pull Shugoki and Warden back just a hair and it will be almost perfect.
 
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Berzerker, Kensei, and Lawbringer seem better. No one seems brokenly good or bad anymore. Rage doesn't pop every few seconds and its no longer Godmode. Things are better. Slight tweaks to boost Nobushi and Orochi and slight nerfs to pull Shugoki and Warden back just a hair and it will be almost perfect.
Kensei got better. But not enough to put him above anyone he was below of nor does it help him in match-ups he was already struggling in.

LB is stupid now because of guaranteed Top Light after Shove. Conq still has stupid Superior Block. Everyone else is mostly the same.

This game is not fun to play in any level other than super scrub mode anymore.
 
Berzerker, Kensei, and Lawbringer seem better. No one seems brokenly good or bad anymore. Rage doesn't pop every few seconds and its no longer Godmode. Things are better. Slight tweaks to boost Nobushi and Orochi and slight nerfs to pull Shugoki and Warden back just a hair and it will be almost perfect.
Wow you seriously need to stop talking. You have no idea what you are saying.
 
Just to add, its not broken. Just add a bit more stamina cost to the cancel and its fine.
Come on.... warden is legit the most balanced character in this game , I don't know how you could argue with that. He doesn't need any changes whatsoever nerf that shield bash and he's fucked. It's what makes him warden lol making It weaker will just make him much worse he's like the ryu of this game. A basic character everyone can play that is balanced there's no need to change that
 
What has gone unrealized by many here is that this is a new genre. It has elements of fighting, but its not just a fighting game. Those that have immersed themselves in the genre are ahead of fighting game transplants. I never underestimate the knowledge of true pros, but this is a different genre. If they haven't immersed themselves, they are a step behind those that have.
And even then why are you voicing your opinion as it's some sort of fact? Alot of top players agree that warden is pretty balanced rn and he could not be in a better place no matter what. If you think he's broken then w/e fine but I'd rather if you not straight up tell others that "they are wrong" also , why are you taking tru3s opinion as a fact when you're ignoring petemoo for example , you know... a player with the most tourney winnings so far in this game , an ACTUAL top player. That has played against one of the best wardens (skys) and with one of the best wardens (ex) multiple times
 
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GAV

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Come on.... warden is legit the most balanced character in this game , I don't know how you could argue with that. He doesn't need any changes whatsoever nerf that shield bash and he's fucked. It's what makes him warden lol making It weaker will just make him much worse he's like the ryu of this game. A basic character everyone can play that is balanced there's no need to change that
Just make his canceling out of his shoulder charge take some stamina.
 

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And even then why are you voicing your opinion as it's some sort of fact? Alot of top players agree that warden is pretty balanced rn and he could not be in a better place no matter what. If you think he's broken then w/e fine but I'd rather if you not straight up tell others that "they are wrong" also , why are you taking tru3s opinion as a fact when you're ignoring petemoo for example , you know... a player with the most tourney winnings so far in this game , an ACTUAL top player. That has played against one of the best wardens (skys) and with one of the best wardens (ex) multiple times
You're acting like I want him obliterated.

I just want the BS out of the game. Canceling out of his shoulder charge many times to start every exchange is BS.
 

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You're acting like I want him obliterated.

I just want the BS out of the game. Canceling out of his shoulder charge many times to start every exchange is BS.
Right tell me what else he has other than a top light a punishable zone attack , and the shoulder bash ? Other than fainting obviously and sometimes that run attack which is also punishable ? His bash IS his gameplan it's not bs. It's a vortex(that you can avoid if you're willing to lose alot of stamina by just rolling away at times) aren't you supposed to be familiar and used to that since you played other fighting games before ? It's literally part of the core of these games
 

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Right tell me what else he has other than a top light a punishable zone attack , and the shoulder bash ? Other than fainting obviously and sometimes that run attack which is also punishable ? His bash IS his gameplan it's not bs. It's a vortex(that you can avoid if you're willing to lose alot of stamina by just rolling away at times) aren't you supposed to be familiar and used to that since you played other fighting games before ? It's literally part of the core of these games
Warden is 99% not bs. This is why communication is a double-edged sword. Its because everyone over-reacts to every announcement.

When they nerf Warden's Bash (and they will, don't stop reading) they will probably (hopefully) only add a little bit of stamina cost to canceling out of it. That will only hurt Warden players that use canceling out of the Bash a bunch of times to control the eb and flow of exchanges. Its just like Conq's bash was too strong. They didn't kill the character. They just killed the bs.

I don't want any character killed, but I don't want any characters useless either - and I like that the game rewards good defense. I like that they're trying to remove tactics that let players learn a skill - then go on auto-pilot and still dominate after that. I'm all for killing any and all braindead tactics.
 
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You're acting like I want him obliterated.

I just want the BS out of the game. Canceling out of his shoulder charge many times to start every exchange is BS.
Why is it "BS"? Saying something is bullshit doesn't make it bullshit.
 

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I feel like I posted this, but no one watched it.
Yeah, I saw that live. It's Tru3Talent. Do people on TYM really not know his history WITH people from TYM? He's a notorious scrub in fighting games that rage quits and sends hatemail to countless members here in NRS games. He complains constantly about pretty much everything and his "solutions" are flat out stupid.

I don't take scrubs opinions into account when it comes to basically anything, but ESPECIALLY character balance. He specifically targets Warden because of iSkys. They have a long standing rivalry in mutliple games, and Tru3 gets bopped by Skys. So naturally Tru3 has to make it seem like Warden is this super braindead OP character, indirectly saying that's the only reason Sky is good or ever beat him.

That said, you still didn't answer my question. Without posting a video, in YOUR own words, why is Warden bullshit or why is his shoulder charge bullshit? Moreover, why is being able to cancel it with little stamina cost bullshit?
 

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Yeah, I saw that live. It's Tru3Talent. Do people on TYM really not know his history WITH people from TYM? He's a notorious scrub in fighting games that rage quits and sends hatemail to countless members here in NRS games. He complains constantly about pretty much everything and his "solutions" are flat out stupid.

I don't take scrubs opinions into account when it comes to basically anything, but ESPECIALLY character balance. He specifically targets Warden because of iSkys. They have a long standing rivalry in mutliple games, and Tru3 gets bopped by Skys. So naturally Tru3 has to make it seem like Warden is this super braindead OP character, indirectly saying that's the only reason Sky is good or ever beat him.

That said, you still didn't answer my question. Without posting a video, in YOUR own words, why is Warden bullshit or why is his shoulder charge bullshit? Moreover, why is being able to cancel it with little stamina cost bullshit?
...because its entirely too easy to completely control fights with it. Just keep canceling out and punish if they bite - and back off if they don't.

I still don't get why everyone is so against this. It is going to happen. I just hope they don't nerf it beyond what I have suggested. I like Warden the way he is as long as I'm not facing all shoulder bash cancel "bs."
 
...because its entirely too easy to completely control fights with it. Just keep canceling out and punish if they bite - and back off if they don't.

I still don't get why everyone is so against this. It is going to happen. I just hope they don't nerf it beyond what I have suggested. I like Warden the way he is as long as I'm not facing all shoulder bash cancel "bs."
Its not bullshit just hit them out of it. Raider is literally the only character that cant deal with it because he has only 18 frame attacks. Why do you have to listen to these shit youtubers? You realize literally anyone can make these cancer videos right? Just cuz they make youtube vids and have viewers doesnt mean they are credible at all. Ill say this again, quit solely getting your opinions from literal nobodies on youtube and spreading your ill informed propaganda here. The people on youtube are not ahead of the curb they are behind, so dont come here with their shit and pretend that we just dont understand. We understand where you come from but we also know that its wrong and youre a complete scrub that just doesnt understand the game.
 

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Its not bullshit just hit them out of it. Raider is literally the only character that cant deal with it because he has only 18 frame attacks. Why do you have to listen to these shit youtubers? You realize literally anyone can make these cancer videos right? Just cuz they make youtube vids and have viewers doesnt mean they are credible at all. Ill say this again, quit solely getting your opinions from literal nobodies on youtube and spreading your ill informed propaganda here. The people on youtube are not ahead of the curb they are behind, so dont come here with their shit and pretend that we just dont understand. We understand where you come from but we also know that its wrong and youre a complete scrub that just doesnt understand the game.
Never change, BS. Never change.
 

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What I want is all the safe options to be out so that all there is left to do is for us fight...

Here's how I see you guys discussing plans of attack involving safe options...
 
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Warden is 99% not bs. This is why communication is a double-edged sword. Its because everyone over-reacts to every announcement.

When they nerf Warden's Bash (and they will, don't stop reading) they will probably (hopefully) only add a little bit of stamina cost to canceling out of it. That will only hurt Warden players that use canceling out of the Bash a bunch of times to control the eb and flow of exchanges. Its just like Conq's bash was too strong. They didn't kill the character. They just killed the bs.

I don't want any character killed, but I don't want any characters useless either - and I like that the game rewards good defense. I like that they're trying to remove tactics that let players learn a skill - then go on auto-pilot and still dominate after that. I'm all for killing any and all braindead tactics.
The shield bash on conq destroyed him.,Conq is very badly designed and he lived off of that shield bash