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Juggs

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It's funny seeing popular For Honor streamers and other good players finally realizing that defenive play is dominant in this game. Something I and @Dizzy called before the full game was even released.

I actually told iSkys that Warlord was the best character day 1, he disagreed. Now he agrees.

I told him defensive play would be the meta and he disagreed. Now he agrees.

Not saying I alone figured it out, it was pretty obvious. I'm just glad others are finally realizing it.
 

Red Hood MKX

Mercenary dog
Kinda hating this new counter guard break mechanic why did they have to change it ugh!!!! i hate fighting game developers sometimes. Does anyone know if you can switch buttons on your controler i want my guard break button to be LB or LT isntead of x that way i have a finger on guard break at all times seing how now you have to be quicker to counter guard break while still watching out for attacks. ugh so annoying stop fixing shit that wasent broken jesus christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Kinda hating this new counter guard break mechanic why did they have to change it ugh!!!! i hate fighting game developers sometimes. Does anyone know if you can switch buttons on your controler i want my guard break button to be LB or LT isntead of x that way i have a finger on guard break at all times seing how now you have to be quicker to counter guard break while still watching out for attacks. ugh so annoying stop fixing shit that wasent broken jesus christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. On PS4 I have my guard break button as R3. Not sure how to do it on XB1, but you can't do it in the in game settings.
 
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If not in the game settings then were??????
For PS4 it's in the console settings. You go to settings, accessibility, button mapping, then customize buttons. It changes the actual button. So when I played other games I have to go in and change it back.

I tried messing around with X (A on xbox) being L1, but couldn't get used to it.

But guard break being R3 is perfect. My thumb is always on R3, I guard break tech 99% of the time.
 

GAV

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It has nothing to do with them being female and is purely based on how I THINK they will play. I typically prefer fast, mobile characters with numerous options.. This is an archetype that is usually represented by female characters in games, we can get in to the reasons why, but that's a losing battle for everyone, lol. But, suffice to say, typically when a female character is in a game, she *usually* isnt a big strong slow character, she's fast and mobile and her offense isnt based around strength, but rather trickery and speed. Again, not always, but usually, these kinds of characters have a higher skill ceilings than other characters but can do a lot of really cool shit and tend towards having more tech and such.

So when I play a new game and I look at the characters, Im not looking at male or female at all, Im looking at archetypes AS I UNDERSTAND THEM, until I have more practical, hands-on experience. I will almost always make a long list and a short list of characters that look to me to be fun or interesting in some way. My criteria is loosely based on:

Known tier lists - I dont zero in on broken characters or anything, but when Im new to a game I will usually avoid characters believed to be bottom tier and broken tier. I do this because a) If Im on a character that's just plain GOOD, I have no excuses. I dont have a mental option select because Im on a low tier character.. when I get bopped I have no shadows to hide in and have to face the plain and simple fact that I lost because Im bad. and b) because its just easier to learn a new game when I can focus on the game and not learning to cope with a shitty character. Also, I avoid broken-tier characters because in many cases you arent really learning the game if your character is legit broken. You're learning to lean on a broken character. And additionally, broken tier characters are almost always nerfed, so I dont want to invest time in a character I know is going to get shit on before long.

Archetypes I enjoy - Explained this already. Usually look for 'rogue' type characters.

VERY slightly factor in appearance. - I do want to play a character I find aesthetically pleasing. In this regard I would rather play a male than a female character because I can lose myself in whats happening more easily on a male character. If I could make Nobu, PK and Valk males, I absolutely would do so.

So thats basically why I tend to end up on female characters.. They just tend to fit the archetypes I like to play. Specifically, Nobu interests me because I like the idea of a bleed inducing, spear wielding, rogue-esque character with and interesting mechanic like Hidden Stance and a decent arsenal of moves for many different situations. I think her mask looks cool as shit too. PK interests me because she's a fast and mobile with good damage, some interesting combos, seems to have a high skill ceiling (to play her well) with fun feint options and a deflect dodge. She's like a sport car. She looks bad-ass as well. Valk interests me because I like her mixups and ability to bully an opponent, coupled with decent range and defensive ability. I DO NOT like how she looks though. I think her helmet looks weird somehow.

A lot of the male characters just dont grab me in FH right now.. Exception being Zerker and Warden and Orochi. However a buddy is planning to main Zerker and we dont want to overlap, and he will be my 2v2 partner, so Zerker isnt an option right now. Warden I fully plan to play and explore as a possible main. Oro I am very undecided on. I like a LOT about him, but I.. I dunno. I need to get real matches in with him and see. It's currently likely though that he will replace Nobu, since shes considered fairly weak right now, and as I said before, I dont want to learn a game on a weak character.

yes this has been a book. i have to leave for work in a few minutes and didnt have anything better to do, so I wrote an indepth explanation.

Additionally, I think some guys do it because they literally find the character sexy and want to look at something they find pleasing. Somewhat similarly, I think some people just dislike looking at a big man lumbering around and have insecurity issues to make them feel uncomfortable staring at a man.
This has definitely made me look at things differently. Thanks for not getting mad and answering honestly. When I re-read my question, I could definitely see how the question would be offensive to some, but I didn't know how else to word it without not asking it.
 

GAV

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Yeah just sucks how easy it is for some characters to one hit KO you after you put in all the work to get them down to the red and wham . Haven't got to play much with the new patch though so I'm hoping that atleast the change to counter break will make it more manageable
I wish I would have taped a clip of this match tonight. I was in a 3v1 situation in the middle of C on Overwatch. They kept trying to hazard kill me, but I kept teching and finally knocked one down the hazard opposite the one they were trying to put me in. Then, I shoulder bumped one trying to get away from the hazards knocking him in. Then, I teched a throw meant to hazard kill me and my opponent fell in instead. It just felt awesome.
 

Red Hood MKX

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For PS4 it's in the console settings. You go to settings, accessibility, button mapping, then customize buttons. It changes the actual button. So when I played other games I have to go in and change it back.

I tried messing around with X (A on xbox) being L1, but couldn't get used to it.

But guard break being R3 is perfect. My thumb is always on R3, I guard break tech 99% of the time.
For PS4 it's in the console settings. You go to settings, accessibility, button mapping, then customize buttons. It changes the actual button. So when I played other games I have to go in and change it back.

I tried messing around with X (A on xbox) being L1, but couldn't get used to it.

But guard break being R3 is perfect. My thumb is always on R3, I guard break tech 99% of the time.
Found it I just change it to R3 too its definitely better. it wouldn't let me change it to LT but R3 is way way better than x thanks alot bro i owe you one
 

GAV

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I hear you i cant understand why dudes play as female characters too its kinda odd to me. Nothing against females i have a girlfriend. Its just i personally dont like to play as one i guess im just too much of a caveman, which kinda sucks because alot of female characters in fighting games are super good
I won't not use one, but to quote Fonzi, "Not my first choice..."

I guess fighters bring me back to my youth. I can relate to a male character better, especially the strong ones - since its always been how I see myself.
 

GAV

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I figured out why Conq is so tanky. He gets health back when out of combat, gets health back for successful blocking, and regains health when he hits his Rage. Some of you might not even know yet...
 

Juggs

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Found it I just change it to R3 too its definitely better. it wouldn't let me change it to LT but R3 is way way better than x thanks alot bro i owe you one
Yeah man, no problem. Before I changed it, teching with Square/X was inconsistent because I had to move my thumb off of R3. Like I said, now it's almost impossible for someone to guard break me unless it's a punish or they do a very good mixup. There's also some option select GB techs I've found that I need to test but cant because of no training mode.
 

Red Hood MKX

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Yeah man, no problem. Before I changed it, teching with Square/X was inconsistent because I had to move my thumb off of R3. Like I said, now it's almost impossible for someone to guard break me unless it's a punish or they do a very good mixup. There's also some option select GB techs I've found that I need to test but cant because of no training mode.

I would be willing to help test but looks like were on different consoles
 
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freerf245

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Since you all are dying for my opinion (quiet you are)

S+
Warlord Peacekeeper
S
Shugoki
A+
Warden Valk Conq
A
Nobushi Kensei Berserker Orochi
B
Lawbringer Raider

There you go the absolute definitive 1.03 patch tier list
 
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Gesture Required Ahead

Get on that hook
Wait console lets you remap the controls? Lucky you. On PC you can only re-map KB/M so we're stuck to having gb as X (xbox controller). And I've read that people who use 3rd party software to bind controllers to KB keys get banned because of Uplay policy.
I wondered if it was Ubi's intention but I guess not. Hopefully they fix this. Also having full guard(Warlord) as down on the right stick is very inconvenient because I accidentally get it sometimes when switching to left/right. And there's no way i'm playing this game on KB/M lol
 
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EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
This has definitely made me look at things differently. Thanks for not getting mad and answering honestly. When I re-read my question, I could definitely see how the question would be offensive to some, but I didn't know how else to word it without not asking it.

Np. I didn't think you were being a dick.
 
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South

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Since you all are dying for my opinion (quiet you are)

S+
Warlord Peacekeeper
S
Shugoki
A+
Warden Valk Conq
A
Nobushi Kensei Berserker Orochi
B
Lawbringer Raider

There you go the absolute definitive 1.03 patch tier list
Drop peacekeeper to S
Move Valk up to S
Move Lawbringer to A
Make nobushi B
 
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Juggs

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Since you all are dying for my opinion (quiet you are)

S+
Warlord Peacekeeper
S
Shugoki
A+
Warden Valk Conq
A
Nobushi Kensei Berserker Orochi
B
Lawbringer Raider

There you go the absolute definitive 1.03 patch tier list
This was mine pre patch.


S+: Warlord
S: Shugoki, Peacekeeper
A+: Warden, Conquerer
A: Nobushi, Orochi, Kensei
B+: Valkyrie, Berserker
B: Raider, Lawbringer


Post patch would be something like this:

S+: Warlord
S: Shugoki, Peacekeeper
A+: Warden, Conquerer
A: Orochi, Kensei, Berserker, Valkyrie
B+: Nobushi
B: Raider, Lawbringer

Bushi is the one I'm not too sure of. She has a lot of weaknesses. But having the range helps a lot in a lot of situations. She's definitely mid tier though, imo. Also, Lawbringer may be B+ or better down the road, too early to tell. And I assume he will get some kind of buff. Valk was already better than him and she got buffed. I expect Raider buffs as well.

And no character currently is on the same tier as Warlord, not even PK.
 
It's funny seeing popular For Honor streamers and other good players finally realizing that defenive play is dominant in this game. Something I and @Dizzy called before the full game was even released.

I actually told iSkys that Warlord was the best character day 1, he disagreed. Now he agrees.

I told him defensive play would be the meta and he disagreed. Now he agrees.

Not saying I alone figured it out, it was pretty obvious. I'm just glad others are finally realizing it.
Defense only reigns supreme with certain characters. If you try to be only defensive with warlord sure defense is definently the best but if you try to be only defensive with pk or warden defense is definently not the best and offense is the best. Sure defense is good but I still disagree with the notion that the only way to play this game is defensive I have placed in my two tourneys already 2nd and 4th and I played a very offensive pk
 
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This was mine pre patch.


S+: Warlord
S: Shugoki, Peacekeeper
A+: Warden, Conquerer
A: Nobushi, Orochi, Kensei
B+: Valkyrie, Berserker
B: Raider, Lawbringer


Post patch would be something like this:

S+: Warlord
S: Shugoki, Peacekeeper
A+: Warden, Conquerer
A: Orochi, Kensei, Berserker, Valkyrie
B+: Nobushi
B: Raider, Lawbringer

Bushi is the one I'm not too sure of. She has a lot of weaknesses. But having the range helps a lot in a lot of situations. She's definitely mid tier though, imo. Also, Lawbringer may be B+ or better down the road, too early to tell. And I assume he will get some kind of buff. Valk was already better than him and she got buffed. I expect Raider buffs as well.

And no character currently is on the same tier as Warlord, not even PK.
Playing against a really good nobushi would make you regret putting her so low. She has great mixup potential, great damage, great punishes, unpublishable, fast attacks and one of the best moves in the game with hidden stance she definitely high mid tier
 

Juggs

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Playing against a really good nobushi would make you regret putting her so low. She has great mixup potential, great damage, great punishes, unpublishable, fast attacks and one of the best moves in the game with hidden stance she definitely high mid tier
Yeah she's probably more realistically A tier.
 
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freerf245

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Drop peacekeeper to S
Move Valk up to S
Move Lawbringer to A
Make nobushi B
Lawbringer isn't as good as those characters. And Nobushi isn't as bad as Raider or LB. If were going by 4v4s these changes may be applicable but im focusing on 1v1 primarily.
 
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When the game first came out I feel the meta was more defensive than it is now. Conqs were pretty much what everyone thought was going to be the S+ class. I'm actually surprised while the game certainly is defensive in comparison to traditional fighting games there's a lot less turtling than I thought there would be.

As far as the tier lists here. PK is def not in the same tier as warlord. She's not far off but Warlord is in a class of his own, the results speak for themselves. I agree PK and goki are probably in the same tier. I also don't think Raider and LB share the same bottom tier, I think Raider is better than LB by quite a bit, raider has some tools and some quick moves that people don't realize. Lawbringer seems to be 100% gimmicks and against any good player he's pretty much helpless.
 
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freerf245

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Lawbringer has no offense. None. A good player will take little to no damage from Lawbringer. I don't understand how some think he's stronger than raider. His command grab leads to shit damage and all the shove does is hurt your feelings.
 

John Grizzly

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Would anyone be willing to help me with how the Valkyrie vortex works or just some tips for her in general? I main Shugoki and he's fairly straightforward and easy to understand. I do well with him, but I've been trying to play Valkyrie. I have no idea how she's supposed to open people up. All the guides I've seen on YouTube are fairly shitty. I feel like she takes sooooo much work to win a round. My buddy plays Nobushi and I'm having a hell of time trying to deal with her.
 
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