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CrazyFingers

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Basic, just learn when to quit. Also, this is a game topic, not your personal fighting ground.

Actually FH related,as much as I HATE to say it, with how he currently is, we have a release Bane Situation with LB.
Remind me was release Bane terrible?
 

CrazyFingers

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You're not presenting an argument to debate. Literally read all those quotes. All you're essentially saying is that defensive play isn't the best option. The only other possible strategy you've proposed is feints/feint attacks. Feints by themselves are not an offensive move, they're for baiting. And fient attacks, where you cancel the heavy into another attack, while the best option for offense, is still not as good as defensive play. There's no downside to playing defensively as long as you have decent reactions and know the matchups. The risk reward factor for playing offensively against a good player is ridiculous compared to playing defensively against a good player. This isn't to say you can't have an effective offensive strategy or playstyle, but this does nothing to diminish the fact that defensive play is the best strat in the game.
Basically what i'm gathering from what you're saying is you think defense is strongest but you can still play offensively but your offense needs to be on point?
 

Juggs

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Basically what i'm gathering from what you're saying is you think defense is strongest but you can still play offensively but your offense needs to be on point?
Yes. But what I speculate will happen in the highest of levels of play within probably 6 months or so, is the best players will be super defensive and rarely attacking. Unless there's some change to game mechanics or characters which there has already been between the alpha's and beta's. So only time will tell.
 

Juggs

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I lost my 1st duel to hazards. Just be patient and you won't fall for traps.
I've hated hazards since I first saw them in the 3D MK games. I usually try and fight where there's no cliffs or geysers or anything. It is satisfying to throw the opponent off cliffs though, especially if they have a big life lead, lol.
 

CrazyFingers

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Yes. But what I speculate will happen in the highest of levels of play within probably 6 months or so, is the best players will be super defensive and rarely attacking. Unless there's some change to game mechanics or characters which there has already been between the alpha's and beta's. So only time will tell.
I feel like i'm a little bit above average in skill and my opinion on it is that i think that the best players will yea most likely be defensive. However, I think that you definitely have plenty of offensive tools once you actually land a hit.
 
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Yes. But what I speculate will happen in the highest of levels of play within probably 6 months or so, is the best players will be super defensive and rarely attacking. Unless there's some change to game mechanics or characters which there has already been between the alpha's and beta's. So only time will tell.
Yeah, that's why I had to stop playing. Until they add in some incentive to actually take a risk and attack, this game is too much of a turtle-fest for my taste.
 

Juggs

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I feel like i'm a little bit above average in skill and my opinion on it is that i think that the best players will yea most likely be defensive. However, I think that you definitely have plenty of offensive tools once you actually land a hit.
Yeah after you open someone up you have a lot of options. But it's opening the opponent up that is the problem. I Expect to see a lot of pokes and turtling until one of the players is opened up.
 

CrazyFingers

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Yeah, that's why I had to stop playing. Until they add in some incentive to actually take a risk and attack, this game is too much of a turtle-fest for my taste.
Shugoki, Lawbringer and Valkyrie all seem to have some form of incentive to go on the offensive. Shugoki seems to have this very "High Risk High Reward" playstyle with his armor being a limited resource, you kind of need to look for your opening and proceed to never let it go. Lawbringer having armor on his unblockable shove honestly might make him one of the best characters for offense since he gets a guaranteed mixup afterwards and you can just bully your way through any stray hits, only problem being its stubby range. And Valkyrie literally just looks like Nobushi with a shield and like 3-4 knockdowns in her kit.
 

Yojimzo

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I don't think he's actually all that bad. What makes you think he's bad?
More a general consensus among the fh community, due to being slow as hell, the shove not having a whole lot of follow up potential, and short range/way too little health for what he's supposed to be.
 

CrazyFingers

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More a general consensus among the fh community, due to being slow as hell, the shove not having a whole lot of follow up potential, and short range/way too little health for what he's supposed to be.
are you SURE he doesn't get anything off of push? Cuz i'm seeing guaranteed lights, i'm seeing guardbreaks afterwards. I'm seeing a lot of followup on push.
 

Yojimzo

One of many Bat-Breakers.
are you SURE he doesn't get anything off of push? Cuz i'm seeing guaranteed lights, i'm seeing guardbreaks afterwards. I'm seeing a lot of followup on push.
Well, guardbreaks are more or a less a case of player counter skill, and lights is a guessing game as per usual.
 
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I don't think he's actually all that bad. What makes you think he's bad?
Dude, vanilla Bane was pretty rough. His venom was a death sentence for himself, and he just didn't really have any way to get in and get his shit going. His dash was garbage, his normals were garbage, and his trait was suicide. He was definitely lower tier than anything that exists in MKX right now.
 

CrazyFingers

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Well, guardbreaks are more or a less a case of player counter skill, and lights is a guessing game as per usual.
I think he's probably just something we need to get used to playing. He's not as...obvious as say Valkyrie who just seems to be poke poke poke poke parry, knockdown, heavy, poke poke poke. Rinse repeat lol.
 

CrazyFingers

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Dude, vanilla Bane was pretty rough. His venom was a death sentence for himself, and he just didn't really have any way to get in and get his shit going. His dash was garbage, his normals were garbage, and his trait was suicide. He was definitely lower tier than anything that exists in MKX right now.
I was talking about Lawbringer :p
 

CrazyFingers

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I feel like Shugoki might be a sleeping giant. You put him on a smart player with good reactions and good defense and he could royally wreck your day by just armoring through your shit with a command grab and then mixing you to death.
 
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Juggs

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I feel like Shugoki might be a sleeping giant. You put him on a smart player with good reactions and good defense and he could royally wreck your day by just armoring through your shit with a command grab and then mixing you to death.
I haven't used him yet. I usually use big Juggernaut characters in RPG's, so I might try him out. He looks fun.
 

GAV

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I've hated hazards since I first saw them in the 3D MK games. I usually try and fight where there's no cliffs or geysers or anything. It is satisfying to throw the opponent off cliffs though, especially if they have a big life lead, lol.
Is the game reasonably simple yet? I know its new, but when I was having to think about how to do what I want to do as I was doing it, I was getting caught in traps - but I just do it now without having to think about it, so I'm using them to my advantage now.
 
You're not presenting an argument to debate. Literally read all those quotes. All you're essentially saying is that defensive play isn't the best option. The only other possible strategy you've proposed is feints/feint attacks. Feints by themselves are not an offensive move, they're for baiting. And fient attacks, where you cancel the heavy into another attack, while the best option for offense, is still not as good as defensive play. There's no downside to playing defensively as long as you have decent reactions and know the matchups. The risk reward factor for playing offensively against a good player is ridiculous compared to playing defensively against a good player. This isn't to say you can't have an effective offensive strategy or playstyle, but this does nothing to diminish the fact that defensive play is the best strat in the game.
"You're not presenting an argument to debate"

"All you're essentially saying is that defensive play isn't the best option"
Isn't that an argument
(you then proceed to debate my non argument)
Lets be clear here I never said that the best way to play was to play defensively or offensively I said that turtling is not the best way to play

Feints by themselves are not a defensive move either. Yes they are for baiting which is good vs defensive play.

"And fient attacks, where you cancel the heavy into another attack, while the best option for offense, is still not as good as defensive play. The risk reward factor for playing offensively against a good player is ridiculous compared to playing defensively against a good player." Firstly there is no giant risk for feint attacks and second they are not the best option for offense.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
I feel like Shugoki might be a sleeping giant. You put him on a smart player with good reactions and good defense and he could royally wreck your day by just armoring through your shit with a command grab and then mixing you to death.
Just battled a decent one back and forth. Then, next match we were teamed up and we just rolled the other team. He definitely doesn't suck. I underestimated his throw too. It does have some range.
 
Basic, just learn when to quit. Also, this is a game topic, not your personal fighting ground.

Actually FH related,as much as I HATE to say it, with how he currently is, we have a release Bane Situation with LB.
"this is a game topic, not your personal fighting ground." Im not the one who started this, your going after the wrong guy here