Discussion ... so who are the Top 5 after all the patching?

[Generalbit]

These threads smh
Scorpion is no way in hell top 5
Jax is forgotten? How is he not top 5?
I will never comprehend how Kotal can even be a contender for top 5 with characters like this in the game. An argument can be made for top 10. Just look at the damn roster! There's literally 15 characters that can be top 5. Tier lists are subjective I get that, it's just baffling to me that people can believe Kotal is top 5 because pnut did crazy well with him in tournament.

My top 5 NPO:
Johnny
Jax
Mileena
Kano
D'Vorah
Shinnok
Takeda
Sonya
Sub-Zero
Liu Kang
Alien
Reptile
Kotal
Ferra/Torr

Edit: But hey, I'm just a guy with an opinion.

 

[colby4898]

These threads smh
Scorpion is no way in hell top 5
Jax is forgotten? How is he not top 5?
I will never comprehend how Kotal can even be a contender for top 5 with characters like this in the game. An argument can be made for top 10. Just look at the damn roster! There's literally 15 characters that can be top 5. Tier lists are subjective I get that, it's just baffling to me that people can believe Kotal is top 5 because pnut did crazy well with him in tournament.

My top 5 NPO:
Johnny
Jax
Mileena
Kano
D'Vorah
Shinnok
Takeda
Sonya
Sub-Zero
Liu Kang
Alien
Reptile
Kotal
Ferra/Torr

Literally, stop these threads. Nothing changes with each one, the same discussions are had, the same people arguing. But hey, I'm just a guy with an opinion.

If you don't want to discuss then don't. Just ignore these threads and go on with your day.

 

[Generalbit]

If you don't want to discuss then don't. Just ignore these threads and go on with your day.

Ignorance and misinformation must be addressed. But these threads will never go away and I did come off as aggressive, which I'm not. I lost my composure which I don't like to do, I just get upset when people speak without actually having facts. It's my bad

 

[Treadmill]

Her b12 is really tough to hit confirm. But f23 and f12b4 are alot easier.

Wut

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Instead of listing random characters, let me attempt to rationalize what I perceive to be the current top tier meta of the game

People underestimate the dramatic changes to chip damage reduction and meter building on normal attacks, which is why I currently believe the top tier meta has shifted from safe pressure (i.e., pre-patch A-List Johnny Cage, Crystalline Tremor, Kobu Jutsu Tanya, Tempest Kung Lao, etc.) to safe 50/50 mix ups (i.e., contemporary Cutthroat Kano, Demolition Sonya, Ronin Takeda, Swarm Queen D'Vorah, etc.). I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that the "safe pressure" characters are bad, but their normal attacks almost do twice as less chip damage as before while simultaneously building less meter. In contrast, a character like Cutthroat Kano has safe 50/50 mix up that can result in advantage with one bar or 50% combos with two bars anywhere on the screen. D'Vorah shares similar characteristics but requires more execution. I am not certain that a "pressure character" is able to generate adequate offense to compete with the safe 50/50 mix ups and the reward they provide.

As far as Mileena is concerned, she has strong footsies and zoning but unsafe mix ups, which is a description of something that has never been top 5 in any version of this game. You still need absurd offense to be a really strong character.

I'm curious to hear more about your philosophy on MKX.

This site needs more Dave these days

 

[Derptile]

Erron Black as a whole is bottom ten imo

IMO Erron and Kotal are twins on the tier list he's definitely not a bad character.

Instead of listing random characters, let me attempt to rationalize what I perceive to be the current top tier meta of the game

People underestimate the dramatic changes to chip damage reduction and meter building on normal attacks, which is why I currently believe the top tier meta has shifted from safe pressure (i.e., pre-patch A-List Johnny Cage, Crystalline Tremor, Kobu Jutsu Tanya, Tempest Kung Lao, etc.) to safe 50/50 mix ups (i.e., contemporary Cutthroat Kano, Demolition Sonya, Ronin Takeda, Swarm Queen D'Vorah, etc.). I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that the "safe pressure" characters are bad, but their normal attacks almost do twice as less chip damage as before while simultaneously building less meter. In contrast, a character like Cutthroat Kano has safe 50/50 mix up that can result in advantage with one bar or 50% combos with two bars anywhere on the screen. D'Vorah shares similar characteristics but requires more execution. I am not certain that a "pressure character" is able to generate adequate offense to compete with the safe 50/50 mix ups and the reward they provide.

As far as Mileena is concerned, she has strong footsies and zoning but unsafe mix ups, which is a description of something that has never been top 5 in any version of this game. You still need absurd offense to be a really strong character.

As much of a potato you can be, this post is 110% accurate.

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Piercing Mileena
Acidic or Tarkatan Alien
A-List or Stunt Double Johnny
Ronin or Shirai-Ryu Takeda
Cutthroat Kano
Swarm Queen D'Vorah
Demo Sonya
Shaolin Kung Jin
Any Kotal variation
Hollywood Cassie
Imposter Shinnok
Quan Chi (any variation)
Hellfire Scorpion
Grandmaster Sub Zero
Assassin Kitana


Theres a top 15


**EDIT - others that can be in it that I either forgot or just barely out: Heavy Weapons Jax between 8-12, Deceptive or Noxious Reptile between 10-15, Dragon Fire or Flame Fist Liu King between 10-15, Gunslinger Erron Black between 10-15, Tempest Kung Lao between 12-15, Pain and Gain or Lackey Ferra/Torr between 12-15, Cyber Smoke or Cyrax between 13-15,

 

[Dankster Morgan]

IMO Erron and Kotal are twins on the tier list he's definitely not a bad character.

I think they're both overrated and both are very good. I think some of you guys misunderstood me saying bottom ten like its a bad thing. In this game the bottom ten is still really good. Basically every character has a really fucked up situatuation to put you in, and the lower half is no exception to this.

 

[Generalbit]

I think they're both overrated and both are very good. I think some of you guys misunderstood me saying bottom ten like its a bad thing. In this game the bottom ten is still really good. Basically every character has a really fucked up situatuation to put you in, and the lower half is no exception to this.

Thank you for saying this

 

[x TeeJay o]

It seems to be a bit hit and miss really. I think if you jump backwards immediately and you block when you land you'll be safe. But sometimes the f4 will hit you. Jumping over or jumping up the hugger will catch you I believe all the time. But maybe instant njp may workm I'll check later the ways to escape by jumping.

EDIT: Just re-read and it said f134, I wrote a response to 112 my bad.
f134 can't be jumped out of as far as I know. But it can be tech rolled, this is wnhy on a read of a tech roll I will do a far face hugger. But if you don't tech roll obviously it will be behind you and kinda useless. So you can ex to cover both options. @xxFalcon Loverxx

If you do a far FH and they dont roll , you can push them towards it, let them come to you and go for ex crawl xx call fh and grab for reset. Plus he has the safest mixup out of all of the Alien variations. Imo konjurer is the best one

 

[colby4898]

If you do a far FH and they dont roll , you can push them towards it, let them come to you and go for ex crawl xx call fh and grab for reset. Plus he has the safest mixup out of all of the Alien variations. Imo konjurer is the best one

I've noticed you can push but that also seems a bit hit and miss to me. I'll do a run into a b3 and it will sometimes activate othertimes not, it could be a hit box issue or mmaybe im just not running enough sometimes. It also gives them more time to get up and jump or reversal etc.

 

[x TeeJay o]

I've noticed you can push but that also seems a bit hit and miss to me. I'll do a run into a b3 and it will sometimes activate othertimes not, it could be a hit box issue or mmaybe im just not running enough sometimes. It also gives them more time to get up and jump or reversal etc.

Yeah the hugger stays out for like 20 secs? Lol i dont know the exact but it's an eternity if u don't get hit. His b3 and jump 4 trigger it and i think j4 makes u restand at certain range. I think i may lab some ex egg call setups today honestly. The range on it is unreal so much space control

 

[ThePunisher026]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/397/260/113/fix-triborg-in-mkxl/#sign

 

[Vigilante24]

So what Jax isnt top 5 to anyone? Not even with the Wrestler buffs?

 

[ThePunisher026]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/397/260/113/fix-triborg-in-mkxl/#sign

It's a real petition @lookgirlitsteejay sign it to fix Cyber Sub's ice ball

 

[WiseM0nkey]

Instead of listing random characters, let me attempt to rationalize what I perceive to be the current top tier meta of the game

People underestimate the dramatic changes to chip damage reduction and meter building on normal attacks, which is why I currently believe the top tier meta has shifted from safe pressure (i.e., pre-patch A-List Johnny Cage, Crystalline Tremor, Kobu Jutsu Tanya, Tempest Kung Lao, etc.) to safe 50/50 mix ups (i.e., contemporary Cutthroat Kano, Demolition Sonya, Ronin Takeda, Swarm Queen D'Vorah, etc.). I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that the "safe pressure" characters are bad, but their normal attacks almost do twice as less chip damage as before while simultaneously building less meter. In contrast, a character like Cutthroat Kano has safe 50/50 mix up that can result in advantage with one bar or 50% combos with two bars anywhere on the screen. D'Vorah shares similar characteristics but requires more execution. I am not certain that a "pressure character" is able to generate adequate offense to compete with the safe 50/50 mix ups and the reward they provide.

As far as Mileena is concerned, she has strong footsies and zoning but unsafe mix ups, which is a description of something that has never been top 5 in any version of this game. You still need absurd offense to be a really strong character.

have to agree with Dave, the game has turned into safe / plus 50/50s that leads to big damage, and i think something like Cutthroat Kano, Demo Sonya or Grandmaster Sub should never be allowed in any FG ever...

 

[SHAOLIN]

Too many characters not enough players.

 

[colby4898]

Yeah the hugger stays out for like 20 secs? Lol i dont know the exact but it's an eternity if u don't get hit. His b3 and jump 4 trigger it and i think j4 makes u restand at certain range. I think i may lab some ex egg call setups today honestly. The range on it is unreal so much space control

IDK if it's worth doing ex egg summon anyway after things like 112 because it's faster it will stop the opp wake up with a normal? I haven't really tested ex setups.

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Top 5

Mileena
Johnny
Dvorah
Kano
Takeda

Contenders: shinnok, sonya, alien

 

[Yoaks]

Wut

I'm I wrong?

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Pumped Up (or any Jax variation for that instance)
Konjurer (Could be very dumb when it's all said and done)
A-List
Swarm Queen
Smoke (Another late bloomer IMO)

Honorable Mentions: Crystalline, Piercing, Sektor, Cutthroat, Ronin

 

[GAV]

No

 

[Skylight1]

Honestly if you can't understand it, that's on you. And why post such a stupid image just to tell me that?

 

[Skylight1]

Instead of listing random characters, let me attempt to rationalize what I perceive to be the current top tier meta of the game

People underestimate the dramatic changes to chip damage reduction and meter building on normal attacks, which is why I currently believe the top tier meta has shifted from safe pressure (i.e., pre-patch A-List Johnny Cage, Crystalline Tremor, Kobu Jutsu Tanya, Tempest Kung Lao, etc.) to safe 50/50 mix ups (i.e., contemporary Cutthroat Kano, Demolition Sonya, Ronin Takeda, Swarm Queen D'Vorah, etc.). I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that the "safe pressure" characters are bad, but their normal attacks almost do twice as less chip damage as before while simultaneously building less meter. In contrast, a character like Cutthroat Kano has safe 50/50 mix up that can result in advantage with one bar or 50% combos with two bars anywhere on the screen. D'Vorah shares similar characteristics but requires more execution. I am not certain that a "pressure character" is able to generate adequate offense to compete with the safe 50/50 mix ups and the reward they provide.

As far as Mileena is concerned, she has strong footsies and zoning but unsafe mix ups, which is a description of something that has never been top 5 in any version of this game. You still need absurd offense to be a really strong character.

Finally. Someone other than me that understands this....

 

[GAV]

Is it me or did Unbreakable get a buff to his EX slide when his armor is up?