It should be pretty good for Shinnok, we get a meterless vortex with nice damage ( for example b3,f224xxStolen Sector's Tele connects)
Shame on you shinnokers not offering advice lol.
Im sorry I dont want to give away my bullshit on how I win! sheesh!
I can seriously say that without a doubt, that we win this match up hard. We can either go for the unblockable damage or whiff it and go for another mixup. Our low is stupid and we can stop run ins with hs. Pw is an issue, but one we can easily get around with a jump or iatp. Not to mention yet extra crap we can get off in the corner due to his giant ass hotbox. Now why do we lose the mu?
He can armour out of Hell Sparks and punish a raw Hell Sparks with the chest lunge move. He kills us harder than we kill him in the corner. The IA tele has become easier for him to hit, and the WORST PART now is that it's come to my attention the stomp does 2%. It's, techinically, an OTG and was therefore hit by the nerf. If you do stomp right after, you're only getting 2%. Unless you can change where you land ( which I didn't know you could? can you do that?) this has become a useless steal. You can't do it on block because they can just move out of the way lol. I actually don't see how this is a 6-4 for Imposter anymore.
I think he punishes d4xxsparks but I don't remember for sure. A good Goro should be watching your meter as well, if you throw out a Hell Sparks that you can't make safe then you're in for some trouble
i dont think he punishes. at least not with a full combo
finally!
First of all, the Stomp doesn't do 2%, it just scales hard, like it is a combo when your opponent is in Mimicry hitstun. So using it as guaranteed extra damage is still an option when the initial combo into Mimicry wasn't big.
The Stomp has 51 frame of start up and 46 frames of recovery, so to whiff it takes 97 frames. Mimicry hitstun lasts 104 frames, so you are only at +7 after thw whiffed stomp. The F4 is a just-frame at that point. The problem is that F4 doesn't reach right after the whiffed Stomp, you have to move a little bit and that ruins the just frame F4 option. So the only thing that is guaranteed after the whiffed Goro Stomp is D1 which is 6 frames and reaches right after Shinnok recovers. Everything else can be armoured or backdashed.
I agree with this list but why kung jin? I feel shaolin has good options plus he can't be vortexed.
I need to play more Shaolin. I find the majority of KJ's jump back a bunch normally fishing for a jip or a dive kick. Shinnok can bait that with HS. Also the flip kick we steal is safe AND if it still works, we can create a huge mind game over that. The only think KJ can do after is d1, otherwise you can d2 him out of anything for 18%. If people don't know that then you can just kill them on it, or you block a d1 and start pressure, or you just back dash away. It's a swell get in get out type option. He has to be careful throwing stuff because we can teleport (not on reaction but you get the idea). They both have some jank but every time I play a KJ I feel like I have more opportunities to hit him in the neutral.
As imposter?
yup, true I should have mentioned that lol
You're probably right.
In regards to post blocked flip kick, KJ still has the option to d1 into a safe oh or a low chakram for a full combo so I don't think that's an ideal situation to be in. I also don't see why Kung jin needs to rely on jumping back when his advancing low leads to a safe block string or mixup every touch.
5-5 for D'vorah possibly 4-6 SQ, Raiden I wanna say is 5-5 but I don't know the MU well enough (truthfully it looks 4-6 on paper).
yeah that's true, but I think we can back dash that poke can't we? We could also armour if we're near the corner - I personally would never do it but I suppose it's an option. I just like the flip kick because it sets up an interesting situation. I agree that KJ players don't need to jump back, I just find that most will. Run in Hell Sparks will catch at least 70% of the time for me.
are you sure? I slaughter D'vorah players with Shinnok. they can't do anything vs HS
It feels 5-5 to me. She can jump over hellsparks with her high jump arc if she spaces herself correctly and after a blocked hellspark she can run and punish with f1 or at least start pressure.
Well she can only jump over HS if she makes a crazy read and executes it properly- it's a huge risk.