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CL_ZBFD

Sr Saurio
If there's too much lag you're screwed. Otherwise just wait them out and punish any of their many many unsafe strings with the classic f4,1, etc.. You can run through a lot of their zoning.

Anyway, don't sweat it, it's just online and scorpion, ermac and mileena are god tier there.
 

Skylight1

Kombatant
If there's too much lag you're screwed. Otherwise just wait them out and punish any of their many many unsafe strings with the classic f4,1, etc.. You can run through a lot of their zoning.

Anyway, don't sweat it, it's just online and scorpion, ermac and mileena are god tier there.
Scorpion and Ermac yes. Mileena? No. The online actually makes her even worse, outside of the roll (which you should NEVER be using unless you can hitconfirm it into a big damaging combo).
 

El_Rubio

Noob
Hi guys! I´m new in this part of the forum and I´m trying to learn Shinnok, specially Necromancer, (I love those creepy hands!! LOL) Any video tutorial or any link where I can properly learn to use him?
 

CL_ZBFD

Sr Saurio
Hi guys! I´m new in this part of the forum and I´m trying to learn Shinnok, specially Necromancer, (I love those creepy hands!! LOL) Any video tutorial or any link where I can properly learn to use him?
You can find some Woundcowboy vids of him using necro against Tanya. I'd say that's a good place to start learning the gameplan. I'd be happy to play you mirror matches with necro though I'm not that good overall. Combos are in the combo threads and are not hard execution wise.

At the top level he's a good pick vs sz and Tanya (others?).
 

El_Rubio

Noob
I'd be happy to play you mirror matches with necro though I'm not that good overall. .
That will be impossible, cause I´m from Uruguay :(

Thanks for your tips! I´m trying to learn the safest strings and pokes right now before starting with the high damage combos.
 

CL_ZBFD

Sr Saurio
Que pasa che! I'm a Chilean living in the US. Anyway my take on that is:

112: only for punishes
B3, F4: your bread and butter when up close. Never fail to punish once you connect.
F22: advancing normal. Very useful, practice to learn by heart its reach.
312: forget about it in necromancer, except in the middle of corner combos.

Zoning: condition opponents with df4 and bf2, once they start to respect them, throw in the unblockable crushing hand. Once they get mid range Hellsparks are life. A bit closer, D4.

Bars: you need them badly. Otherwise, as in all variations damage is bollocks.

Yolo: you can, I don't say you should, but you can, throw out an ex df4 and convert to full combo from pretty much anywhere on screen.

Wakeups: learn to follow up bf3 with df4, milk that bar.

You shouldn't be worrying too much about what's safe, as this is a zoning variation, just keep them away.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Hi guys! I´m new in this part of the forum and I´m trying to learn Shinnok, specially Necromancer, (I love those creepy hands!! LOL) Any video tutorial or any link where I can properly learn to use him?
Well you should first know that Necromancer is pretty mediocre. It has slightly better damage than Shinnok's average damage but the zoning is pretty underwhelming. If people are sitting there blocking your flicks (BF2) and summoned fiends (DF4) then they're not playing the matchup right because they can pretty much just run right past them and punish you on whiff for it lol.
You can find some Woundcowboy vids of him using necro against Tanya. I'd say that's a good place to start learning the gameplan. I'd be happy to play you mirror matches with necro though I'm not that good overall. Combos are in the combo threads and are not hard execution wise.

At the top level he's a good pick vs sz and Tanya (others?).
Necro is NOT a good pick against Sub or Tanya.
 

CL_ZBFD

Sr Saurio
Well you should first know that Necromancer is pretty mediocre. It has slightly better damage than Shinnok's average damage but the zoning is pretty underwhelming. If people are sitting there blocking your flicks (BF2) and summoned fiends (DF4) then they're not playing the matchup right because they can pretty much just run right past them and punish you on whiff for it lol.

Necro is NOT a good pick against Sub or Tanya.
I hear you, let me rephrase, you will find high level match footage of those matchups. Theres a lot to learn from them. Take that as you will. I will not discuss what is an advantageous matchup with people who are significantly better than me at this gamr.

Examples to which I refer to are Wound vs dab at esl for example. The necro vs sz example was from NEC this year. I forget who, no disrespect.

Cheers,
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
I hear you, let me rephrase, you will find high level match footage of those matchups. Theres a lot to learn from them. Take that as you will. I will not discuss what is an advantageous matchup with people who are significantly better than me at this gamr.

Examples to which I refer to are Wound vs dab at esl for example. The necro vs sz example was from NEC this year. I forget who, no disrespect.

Cheers,
Yeah no worries, I was just pointing out that at the highest level Tanya and Sub Zero beat Necromancer. He'd be better to look at Wound vs Sonic than Wound vs Dab though because Dab wasn't playing the Necromancer matchup correctly and I don't want him to get any wrong ideas is all :)
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
How goes the search for that brutality fellas?
there has to be lol.
I'm trying every combination for an x-ray brutality, for now I tried every combination and singles of:

1 2 3 4 1+2+3+4

u d b f

l2 r2 l2+r2

...but had no luck. :(

In a few hours I'll also try 1+2, 1+3, 2+4, mashing 1 2 3 4 1+2 1+3 2+4 1+2+3+4 and combinations.

ps: @tylerlansdown if it doesn't exist, make it happen, please!


EDIT: alright, I tried every combination, even trying mashing l2, r2 and l2+r2, found nothing at all. :(
 
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I'm trying every combination for an x-ray brutality, for now I tried every combination and singles of:

1 2 3 4 1+2+3+4

u d b f

l2 r2 l2+r2

...but had no luck. :(

In a few hours I'll also try 1+2, 1+3, 2+4, mashing 1 2 3 4 1+2 1+3 2+4 1+2+3+4 and combinations.

ps: @tylerlansdown if it doesn't exist, make it happen, please!


EDIT: alright, I tried every combination, even trying mashing l2, r2 and l2+r2, found nothing at all. :(



 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
I'm trying every combination for an x-ray brutality, for now I tried every combination and singles of:

1 2 3 4 1+2+3+4

u d b f

l2 r2 l2+r2

...but had no luck. :(

In a few hours I'll also try 1+2, 1+3, 2+4, mashing 1 2 3 4 1+2 1+3 2+4 1+2+3+4 and combinations.

ps: @tylerlansdown if it doesn't exist, make it happen, please!


EDIT: alright, I tried every combination, even trying mashing l2, r2 and l2+r2, found nothing at all. :(
Ever since I saw about X-ray brutalities I've been trying to make something happen with Shinnok's. Also hoping for some hidden among Necromancer.
 

Skylight1

Kombatant
It'd be even BETTER if we could 2-in-1 cancel a bone crush or even hand squeeze for more frames or something of a sort to give us Necromancer players more lead way in that variation. Wasting a bar for a pre-emptive OTG that can easily be backdashed or even teleported out of, is just not at all a good way of preserving the space that necromancer is "supposed" to have.
 

HanSolo

Dojo Trainee
Labbed necromancer for the first time last night. I'm familiar with BS but never tried the other 2 variations. Is ex df4 the only way to combo out of f4 in this variation?