Question - Summoner Is Quan Chi in reality a mid tier character?

[ienjoywinning]

Well the thing is in an actual match you don't know what's coming, you can't guess on reaction, you have to guess and commit before you know what's coming and hope you were correct, and THEN block within a super tight window. I can block NJP into low bat with no problem (well not "no" problem but I can block it well enough). And I can block crossup into low bat sometimes. But this, this here, is dookie.

Yea if that's it I just wanna see it actually being done by a person. Then at least I can know I actually need to figure something out. If it's something else then I'll have to just show you.

sorry if this is not what you meant.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Who is tb?

Tom Brady sorry.

Here is your reference material

http://testyourmight.com/threads/vs-quan-chi-bat-vortex-training.54840/

 

[SaltShaker]

sorry if this is not what you meant.

The second part of the video 100%. Your timing is good but blockable. You can make it even tighter and its almost impossible to block the same way. I can't do it with my crappy Quan play but I'll have someone record a couple of matches soon.

Between the timing of death and having to account for all options blocking becomes celebration worthy lol.

EDIT: Brady's video looks about right with the timing of OH/Low. 15% block rate.

 

[ienjoywinning]

The second part of the video 100%. Your timing is good but blockable. You can make it even tighter and its almost impossible to block the same way. I can't do it with my crappy Quan play but I'll have someone record a couple of matches soon.

Between the timing of death and having to account for all options blocking becomes celebration worthy lol.

ill try and see if i can make it tighter

 

[SaltShaker]

ill try and see if i can make it tighter

No doubt bro. Also, reading through the old thread word for word the basis of my point is this-

I think the ONLY thing people are saying is that there are several times in the vortex when you know exactly where Quan will hit you and you still cannot block it because it's a 1 frame block that can be changed by 1 or more frames if and when the player can even consistently block the initial timing. Even when you do manage to block it, Quan Chi still ends at +14 where you must guess again. I'm not reading anyone say Quan shouldn't have a 50/50 or that MB rune shouldn't be +14. In fact, I don't hear anyone saying Quan should'nt have a vortex either. All I have read is that he shouldn't be able to vortex you into a situation where you cannot block the mix up even when you know which mix up is coming.

What I am however reading is Quan players saying that they in fact should have a vortex with a situation where the player can know where you will strike and still not block it along with being able to end at +14 just in case they do block it. I think everyone here is saying they are ok with the 50/50, are k with the +14, and are ok with the vortex situation. They just aren't ok with making the right guess but they couldn't block it anyway.

100% this in a nutshell.

 

[Chakk dizzle]

This thread stopped being entertaining on page 16. Please close before M2daves masterpiece is tarnished.

 

[errormacro7]

Anyone who supports Quan Chi is inherently evil.

 

[ienjoywinning]

No doubt bro. Also, reading through the old thread word for word the basis of my point is this-



100% this in a nutshell.

Done , made it as tight as possible and it looks exactly looks like toms , i did drop my cool combo at the end tho so yeah .-.

Edit : i had more problems setting this up than i had with blocking it. (no joke)

 

[SneakyTortoise]

ill try and see if i can make it tighter

That's what she said

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Done , made it as tight as possible and it looks exactly looks like toms , i did drop my cool combo at the end tho so yeah .-.

Edit : i had more problems setting this up than i had with blocking it. (no joke)

Yo but I did specify don't hit the reset button because for all I know that's the same footage looped 5 times, or just 5 successful times outta 5000, either way it's impressive you can do it at all, but do you honestly think this is "easy to block" and people need to spend more than 10 minute in the lab? It's literally the hardest thing to block in the game and as the TB quote said, you knew the timing AND the mixup that was coming, both are flexible in a real game. And even if you are some god with 1 frame link execution consistency, it still doesn't define it as easy to block, nor should you have to have such skill just to play MKX vs Quan and only Quan

 

[AeWhole]

Im just honest.

Just because Quan is the best character in the game doesn't mean he has 0 5-5 matchups, he has a few 5-5's here and there and Tremor might be one of them.

Also I don't know much about the Tremor vs Quan, I highly doubt me vs Reo today was anywhere near the highest level of play that matchup can be

Literally the most honest response post I have ever read on this site...

As it goes for Quan being mid-tier. I think what Dave is trying to say is that everyone plays their mains and everyone doesn't like nerfs that Raiden saw. This game is in a good spot except for some tweaks to some block infinites and some tweaks to less than half the casts variations to make them viable. Quan is just a complete kharacter now like Ketchup has said. MKX is just hard and all kharacters should be Quanplete or like people say "S" teir.

 

[SaltShaker]

Done , made it as tight as possible and it looks exactly looks like toms , i did drop my cool combo at the end tho so yeah .-.

Edit : i had more problems setting this up than i had with blocking it. (no joke)

Yup that's it. Great blocks, but did you really do that 5x in a row or 5x out of the last half hour? -.-

Doing it that tight with practice likely becomes easy because Coach was nailing them like he created the character. Like Hands said you can't reset in the video, that's Dink level manipulation lol. Not saying you can't do it, but if you can you shouldn't reset after each rep. That's why you see people do distinct actions in their vids or pause and continue. You have to do something like crouch once after the 1st block, twice after the 2nd, etc so it can be obvious that you are blocking it 5x in a row. If not it just looks like video editing. If I can see you do it like that then I'll be convinced I just need epic practice at defending it.

Yo but I did specify don't hit the reset button because for all I know that's the same footage looped 5 times, or just 5 successful times outta 5000, either way it's impressive you can do it at all, but do you honestly think this is "easy to block" and people need to spend more than 10 minute in the lab? It's literally the hardest thing to block in the game and as the TB quote said, you knew the timing AND the mixup that was coming, both are flexible in a real game. And even if you are some god with 1 frame link execution consistency, it still doesn't define it as easy to block, nor should you have to have such skill just to play MKX vs Quan and only Quan

Otherwise I'll be forced to believe this.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Yup that's it. Great blocks, but did you really do that 5x in a row or 5x out of the last half hour? -.-

Doing it that tight with practice likely becomes easy because Coach was nailing them like he created the character. Like Hands said you can't reset in the video, that's Dink level manipulation lol. Not saying you can't do it, but if you can you shouldn't reset after each rep. That's why you see people do distinct actions in their vids or pause and continue. You have to do something like crouch once after the 1st block, twice after the 2nd, etc so it can be obvious that you are blocking it 5x in a row. If not it just looks like video editing. If I can see you do it like that then I'll be convinced I just need epic practice at defending it.



Otherwise I'll be forced to believe this.

I promise you , i didnt cut out anything nor will i ever will. I dont lie to prove a point , never , i recorded this on my ps4 and just uploaded it.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Yup that's it. Great blocks, but did you really do that 5x in a row or 5x out of the last half hour? -.-

Doing it that tight with practice likely becomes easy because Coach was nailing them like he created the character. Like Hands said you can't reset in the video, that's Dink level manipulation lol. Not saying you can't do it, but if you can you shouldn't reset after each rep. That's why you see people do distinct actions in their vids or pause and continue. You have to do something like crouch once after the 1st block, twice after the 2nd, etc so it can be obvious that you are blocking it 5x in a row. If not it just looks like video editing. If I can see you do it like that then I'll be convinced I just need epic practice at defending it.



Otherwise I'll be forced to believe this.

Also no i didnt instantly get in and started blocking it took me like 5 mins to figure out the timing and around 2 or 3 tries to block them 5 times in a row.

 

[Rude]

So you're accusing the guy of actively doctoring the evidence he was asked to create?

That's not very classy, is it?

 

[SaltShaker]

So you're accusing the guy of actively doctoring the evidence he was asked to create?

That's not very classy, is it?

I have no class left after the stripping of my pride last night, but I shall take @ienjoywinning vid and practice the blocks now that I have a visual to look at. Thanks bro.

I'll find a way to make all you QC users regret picking him.

 

[GAV]

 

[GAV]

 

[ienjoywinning]

Yo but I did specify don't hit the reset button because for all I know that's the same footage looped 5 times, or just 5 successful times outta 5000, either way it's impressive you can do it at all, but do you honestly think this is "easy to block" and people need to spend more than 10 minute in the lab? It's literally the hardest thing to block in the game and as the TB quote said, you knew the timing AND the mixup that was coming, both are flexible in a real game. And even if you are some god with 1 frame link execution consistency, it still doesn't define it as easy to block, nor should you have to have such skill just to play MKX vs Quan and only Quan

Again to prove that its not looping i did it while doing diffirent moves before i get hit i did hit the reset button tho cuz idk how to make him do it over and over without me fucking up the timing to do the set up it self ( since im not familiar with it) now to fully answer you question , yes its somewhat hard to block at first but you know its coming and you actually bothered to spend 10 or more mins your gonna block it simple as that , the only problem is the guessing. And yes it did take me atleast 10 mins to figure out the timing...

 

[Rude]

Again to prove that its not looping i did it while doing diffirent moves before i get hit i did hit the reset button tho cuz idk how to make him do it over and over without me fucking up the timing to do the set up it self ( since im not familiar with it) now to fully answer you question , yes its somewhat hard to block at first but you know its coming and you actually bothered to spend 10 or more mins your gonna block it simple as that , the only problem is the guessing. And yes it did take me atleast 10 mins to figure out the timing...

Stahp. It's IMPOSSIBLE to block and Quan is broken!

Seriously, good work.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Stahp. It's IMPOSSIBLE to block and Quan is broken!

Seriously, good work.

I agree i cant block it so nerf it

 

[I GOT HANDS]

So you're accusing the guy of actively doctoring the evidence he was asked to create?

That's not very classy, is it?

I don't know if you're joking (which you probably aren't knowing how you are when it comes to Quan), but that isn't true at all

Record it right and then block it even twice out of a 5 AI laps of it without hitting the reset button in training mode.

Specified it from the jump and for good reason too, the evidence hasn't been provided once.


Give me half an hour I could provide a montage of me nailing 30 LK iAFB in a row. In reality I can do successfully an iAFB like 1 outta 50 times.

Stahp. It's IMPOSSIBLE to block and Quan is broken!

Seriously, good work.

Oh. You aren't joking.

 

[ienjoywinning]

I don't know if you're joking (which you probably aren't knowing how you are when it comes to Quan), but that isn't true at all


Specified it from the jump and for good reason too, the evidence hasn't been provided once.


Give me half an hour I could provide a montage of me nailing 30 LK iAFB in a row. In reality I can do successfully an iAFB like 1 outta 50 times.






Oh. You aren't joking.

You dont like to be proven wrong , Im not gonna waste more time on you , Just because you're a scrub and cant block it dosen't mean we cant.

 

[Rude]

I don't know if you're joking (which you probably aren't knowing how you are when it comes to Quan), but that isn't true at all


Specified it from the jump and for good reason too, the evidence hasn't been provided once.


Give me half an hour I could provide a montage of me nailing 30 LK iAFB in a row. In reality I can do successfully an iAFB like 1 outta 50 times.






Oh. You aren't joking.

You literally accused him of showing you doctored footage. "For all I know that's the same footage looped 5 times."

Way to backpeddle.

 

[errormacro7]

You guys are trying hard to not get Quan Chi nerfed. lol