This is just a flat out lie.
Incorrect, it's not a flat out lie. I asked him flat out a month ago "which is his best variation for zoning and overall" he said Inferno was for both....Did you cherry pick my latter point because I'm pretty sure I said not just zoning, big damage but also an easy reset...which he lacks in the other two compared to Inferno. Take away the reset in Inferno and tell me how great Scorpion is...
It was a month ago so perhaps he changed his view? I'm going by what he told me a month ago roughly...
Yo Vagrant get slips in here! lol I'm not sure how to tag people on these forums lol
What buffs do you think goro should receive?Started from the bottom...... now we still at the bottom
C TIER
Goro: It's possible that Prince of Shokan may be greater than bottom 2 "C" tier material, but I do feel he is lacking enough to possibly be the second worst in the game. His lack of mobility is his biggest crutch. F+4 being made an overhead is huge; before he gained that, I feel he was worse than Kitana. Biggest strengths he has are fairly good pressure, as he has alot of 0 to +2 blockstrings, as well as above average combo damage in all three variants. It's hard to not pick Kuatan Warrior over the other variants because the ground pound is a huge tool in many matchups as a fullscreen check. The Kuatan b,f+2 "Corp Charge" is kinda redundant and booty as a footsie/armor tool as it is a high, but it an be used as a nice combo ender. Tigrar Fury might have potential in flamethrower blockstrings, and the low flame could be useful in matchups where he doesn't get zoned out heavily. Dragon Fangs is lacking but he does have that d/b+2 low which is like +6 on block which is unusual. The Dragon Fangs EX d,b+2 special also scales a bit less than EX punchwalk, 2,1,2 is a decent chip/spacing string, and his command grab does a bit more raw damage so this variation isn't entirely outclassed.
Kuatan Warrior = Tigrar Fury > Dragon Fangs
Kitana: Poor princess sorta feels like a stripped down version of MK9 Kitana which already would not work in this game engine. Her positive traits are that she has good meterless damage off of air fan and her BnB combo starters, and she is good at blowing up sloppy, impatient play. She is crippled by terrible frame data and a terrible 50/50 compared to the rest of the cast. Royal Storm lift is actually pretty good as a footsie tool. The reflect is disappointing as it doesn't activate fast enough to be used on reaction. Assassin's "niche" isn't as useful to use it over her other variants. The parry has slow startup and is weak. The fan sharpen is very difficult to activate safely. EX assassin dash, however, is fairly useful. Mournful trades in her meterless + metered damage in the other variants for aimable mid zoning and safe blockstrings with shadow kick. The glaives only deal 5% so there's really no reason to be that scared of them. It also hurts that the air glaive is abysmal.
Royal Storm > Mournful > Assassin
Incorrect, it's not a flat out lie. I asked him flat out a month ago "which is his best variation for zoning and overall" he said Inferno was for both....Did you cherry pick my latter point because I'm pretty sure I said not just zoning, big damage but also an easy reset...which he lacks in the other two compared to Inferno. Take away the reset in Inferno and tell me how great Scorpion is...
It was a Scorpion topic in the Scorpion forum....not this topic.
@ Vagrant: You were saying? So like I said, not a lie....please don't assume next time please, same applies to those agreeing with you that know nothing of this.
Online is obviously very different than offline, I don't disagree to this. I'm sure HF is a lot more viable offline than online. I thought you were trying to say that online didn't matter earlier that HF was still just as good as offline basis...
Hellfire is a high execution character, offline it takes work to play him, let alone with delay, and no you cannot poke out of the vortex period, no discussion. Only way you could poke out is if he delayed for a second. Other wise lag helped you during a time where you did a completely unsafe option. It works both ways you know, Scorpion isn't the only one getting a boost from netplay. Not that I ever see it much, even on pretty crappy connections I feel like Scorpion gets hindered more than it helps. I'd rather use Sonya, Raiden, D'vorah etc in a crappy online match.
Dude stop talking about online in tier lost discussions, period. You did this crap in mk9 too. I play mk online like a boss but i dont cite it jn these topics
I don't think a jab combo should have a mid as the second hit if it leads to a mixup but i'm just saying you can use it because it will throw people off unless you're being greedy with it lol.
You're so wrong , it hurts.
Again, I wasn't talking vortex poke out but just a normal 50/50 mix up with him...the vortex set up jails you so it's different. You can't move, I agree and am not disputing that. I'm saying if I'm Ermac and you try to poke me I can beat you with my D1...
I detect saltyness from this post hmmm.. Ok, don't know who you are, don't care but clearly your facts are mixed up. I merely compared the two, and am not judging off "online exclusively" stop taking what I said out of context please. If I was that serious about online tier, chances are it was probably an online tier list discussion.
I honestly don't even think inferno is that good. You can see the overhead demon pretty easily which makes it easy to block in mix up situations. Low demon works best to trade in certain situations but it's not very hard to defend against otherwise if you're not being reckless. Online play it is enhanced dramatically by lag. I've been saying hellfire was better since I got my hands on the game because it has way more viable tools imo. Block pressure, 50/50, flame aura and etc.
Weaknesses:
The demons you're right aren't THAT difficult to deal with, it's really only an issue if you're far and can't get in anyway but I still feel his reset/vortex etc is still a powerful tool. Especially if the Scorp is good with mix ups, throws, pressure etc. Well, I think a legit vortex is what makes it a vortex. Meaning if it were that easy to get out of wouldn't even be an issue, but that's why I was saying earlier 50/50's have a bit impact on this game compared to some past MK's. He can mix up the overhead F4 with his low B3 and of course with throws too. I've also noticed a few things, such as KJ for example he can't wake up against the low demon. Example, I tried wake up flying kick and I was getting grabbed everytime(unless it was an ex version with armor) pretty much deeming KJ's wake ups moot against Inferno Scorpion. I don't know if this goes for anyone else's wake ups(didn't seem to effect Ermac's teleports I did) but for everyone else I don't know since the game is still in the match up stage obviously.
Maybe you cant read. I never said you claimed you played online like a boss. You also mention salt then write some long ass salty post yourself. I said stop talking about online inferno in the tier list. No one gives a serious shit about online tier lists. Just stop bringing up online in these discussions because then you start backpeddling when someone mentions it.
I said Inferno was the best during week 1, MAYBE through week 2 of the game's life. Since then I've said Hellfire is easily the best.
Ok a few problems
Thanks for confirming what I said that at the very beginning people were under the impression that Inferno was the best, until they got all the hellfire dirt. lol
Full Auto is top tier? She lacks everything the top tier characters have except for meterless and metered damage. She's not even remotely close to top tier.
