SZ loses to:
Out of that list of KL, Kenshi, KJ, Quan Chi, D'vorah, I'll certainly agree, I believe Sub-Zero loses. Raiden I'm iffy about, I feel that if he does lose to him, it's by a small margin. I feel he is even against Scorpion, Unsure on Erron Black, and I feel he is pretty even with Error Macro.
Teleports, disjointed hitbox moves, ground zoning, jumping over clone...
All that worked before the patch. You want that reversed where even complete moron should be able to see that his clone was broken before
ive heard it batted around that ferra/torr beats sub aswell, hhave i been sold a bill of goods? (dont use either char, just asking outta interest)
In my opinion Ferra/Torr doesn't really win, but he can go through ice clones with Ferra tosses, that might have hurt the sit back and wait Sub-Zero's but in the long run no. They are more than likely even.
Only characters I'd have in the "he for sure beats" column are Reptile and Kitana.
He needs the toss and explosion
No need to state variations, just look at the variation that's most effective against Sub-Zero and use that as the basis. If you don't know which is the most effective then you shouldn't be discussing it. lol
Let me understand... So the clone SHOULD NOT freeze you when you touch it? Worst logic..
Click on the picture to blow it up and really take a good look at this example.. This should not be happening. There is no reason why Cassie shouldn't be frozen here.Have i come to the right thread for this may/may not be related image?
I feel like he beats Kitana, Reptile, Jason, Goro, Mileena, Johnny and Sonya. I also feel like he could very well be good against Jax as well as Jacqui despite the lol full auto blasting through clone, mostly due to her t-rex arms.
And have you ever used SZ vs these characters when played at a high level?
I've used it against Reptile, Jason, Mileena, Sonya, and Jax at a fairly high level, I will admit that, Jacqui, and Goro I only have online experience fighting against. And Johnny I only have my experience playing as him against Sub-Zero. I'm a bit biased against Jason and Goro though, as I think they are both truly terrible characters that actually need buffs.
Fact is, you have not played a vast majority of matches at very high levels of play. I doubt you are having sparring sessions vs Jax players like Tyrant and Jupiter. Have you played vs Scar or Death's Sonya? How about a Cage the level of DJT? A Scorpion the level of MIT or even Forever King Jr? etc...
There is though man. Hitbox =/= hurtbox. Disjointed hitboxes are a thing in fighting games, ESPECIALLY NRS games.
I think I've actually seen this happen on multiple occasions whether it was tournament or offline play. To be honest, NRS in the future should probably have visible hitboxes/hurtboxes for training mode. It's time.
Unfortunately I do not travel very often due to a disability. Gives me a lot of time to play, not a lot of money to travel. However I have played with the GGA members in MK9 a few times, and went pretty even with them for the most part using Noob Saibot back in the MK9 days, and my sparring partner goes there quite frequently. I may have not have played the very best in their respective field that are known. But I have played thousands upon thousands of games. To say my opinion is invalid is just an arrogant statement. I've taken plenty of games off high level players in multiple games before, it's just a rare opportunity when I get to meet up with them. But feel free to express your opinions on why you think that Sub-Zero doesn't win those match ups. It's all opinions right now anyways.
You know Tom, as the top Sub-Zero representative, I feel your opinion should be trusted, and therefore, I want to believe that you know this "for a fact" (though I'm 99.9% sure that's not what "a fact" means)...
This isnt aquaman.. its SZ.. I didnt understand aquaman but I do understand SZ. Even you in all your eternal Tom Brady haterade have a problem arguing that.
And speaking of Mk9 lets not forget how many SZ players told me how it was for most of the games life, until in the end they realized the truth which is that he had more issues then they thought. i am not speaking to you in arrogance, rather from more exp.
