M2Dave
Zoning Master
Low gunshots.
Low gunshots.
Once she catches her?
agreed, this exactly... of course decay is pretty high level... but playing him changed my mind about this mu
I'll need to play more zatannas to further my xp. @Phosferrax are you in xbl?I'm surprised you think she loses to Deathstroke. I've always felt that it was even. Thoughts?
Also, glad you put sinestro as 5-5. Sorry @IMakeItL00kC00L that matchup is even.
He is and his GT is the same as his name here.
Thnx
Bruh u think every mu is 5-5 lol
Leave me alone im an uplayer. Lol
i wish i could watch these matches if you do... decay is fun to play and your Z is great
DS just has an easier time dictating the match. He punishes trance, and if he spaces himself correctly he can safely check her after he blocks a ring toss. The speed of gun shots gives him and edge due to Zatanna's slow start-up of ring toss. She can block a gun shot at some distances, try to throw a ring and still get hit with a trade.
If she reads iaDG, she can make it whiff with f3 and punish it at certain ranges. She gets beaten in footsies for sure, but this isn't a mu where Zat has to contest footsies so it only makes a difference in the corner. Wowo has to get in and that's where Zat contests her as well which she has good options. She gets beaten in damage though, and the meter game really hurts Zatanna when it comes to clashing.
Her runaway keeps him chasing her and he doesn't have as good of options to avoid the zoning. Although I believe with practice that this MU could be even once NW is more aware of the correct approach and playstyle. For example, when I play most NW's they make the mistake of going into staff stance. He gets destroyed badly by Zat's trait when he is in staff. She doesn't have a hard time getting meter in this MU for mb rings into trait or pushblock.
He loses the zoning; between trait, mb rings, trance, and teleport she has enough ways to deal with NW's counter zoning because it's too risky for him. He loses in escrima zoning because the risk/reward is skewed against him, even though his projectile does slightly more chip and 2% more damage on hit.
Actually I went to test and trait pillar into soul crush doesn't beat teleport so my bad. But with her d2, if you space the jump 2 to the similar distance as the starting position of the match Zatanna virtually can't d2 it on reaction. She can mb b3 though.
The chip is irrelevant. Id rather just take the chip & continues walking in. I'll reflect stuff if I need meter but that's about it. I'm not scared of zatanna with meter so whatever lol.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nightwing can just forward dash after each ring toss. His dash (one of the fastest in the game, hehe) completely escapes Puppet Master too. The only thing he can't do is dash after MB Rings. Zatanna can keep running away if she wants but she'll just be running herself into the corner where her only escape will be teleport behind (which can be blown up unless MB'd, but even then it means that she's in Nightwing's face which isn't where she wants to be). Even in Staff, Nightwing can dash for free, then reversal GP after a blocked Puppet Master, after which he's +9.
Not really. All NW has to do is jump over/duck one of the trait shots and GP which knocks her out of trait. Only problem is that Nightwing still gets hit by the trait shot.
Nightwing's B2 far out-ranges Zatanna's S3, her longest-reaching normal. B2 Flipkick crosses up on block from all ranges on Zatanna so while you're focused on blocking that, Nightwing can start throwing out B2 Scatterbombs, just B2 into NJ3 or 112, or even B2 Staff Spin. Zatanna also can't punish wingdings from most ranges so Nightwing can abuse his J3 and when Zatanna starts trying to D2 he can wingding safely without having to MB them.
From my testing f3 doesn't work if the demigoddess is instant. Even if it isn't, you have to be holding the f3 for a long time to go under it. In that case it's kind of obvious what you're looking for there and shouldn't work that often.
To add to this, outside of theory, I've played this match up with a lot of Zatanna mains (some of whom used to main Hawkgirl so they know the match up reasonably well) and honestly, I feel Zatanna has a huge problem with mobility strong characters that she cannot contain well.
