Batmans normals aren't even that good but he makes up for it with with his ambiguous j2 and trait. Yes her trait wake up is good but she wont always have trait. I could be wrong because i haven’t played many catwomans but i think she just doesnt have enough bullshit like the rest of the cast does.
I wouldn't put that many characters above DD, he is a very solid character and he'll always be tournament viable. He is in that area with like raven and flash in my opinion. He only loses to a few characters and he holds his own vs top tiers like MMH and Aquaman. Also I actually feel he has no 7 3, that is just my opinion though.
Adam definitely beats Doomsday.Hmmmmmm, another joke thread. IMO doomsday loses to none of those characters in the OP. I played and beat the best batman before the patch and beat them. Now it's even worse for batman. Superman was 6-4. Now 5-5. No more abusive moves to spam or lasers . And he needs meter. BA 6-4 pre patch. Now its 5-5. Why? He can't run as easily at all. Doesn't have ex lightnings to spam. KF I agree 7-3. Yet even been playing known KF players online and have been wrecking them bad very very bad. Just waiting for chaotic. And Nightwing 6-4? When? Never. Especially now. Yea right. I've never played one Nightwing thats ever beaten me consistently. Ever. Why does a lot of these match ups change. That second hit of armor. And the fact that most of these characters got nerfed bad
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I know, i mentioned that as well. But his tools are limited if you compare them to the characters i mentioned in the OP. Cant talk much about raven since only blind man reps her really well from what i ve seen, but Flash is seriously scary in the right hands. The reason only a few people play him is because there are much easier characters in the game that do what Flash does, for example Aquaman. Killer Frost might be 7-3. The rest are 6-4's. But in time, DD will start losing against characters like WW for example. And by saying lose i mean 6-4, which is highly winnable for DD ofc.
I think WW is a 7-3 along with KF actually. Everything else is a 6-4 if it's bad.
Nivek and i have agreed that its a solid 6-4 WW atm. Its shit hard for DD to play his game against a cautious WW who knows how to fight against DD. If people are still get hit regularly by ES its not DD's fault. Its the players fault for not blocking. That does not make DD top 10. People need to start to realize that.
Actually as time goes by, I see him getting more dangerous. The only reason I say this is because ppl are so used to what DD's always do, but a lot of DD's dnt even incorporate the few combos he actually possesses and to be honest, he has one of the best AA's in the game with his AA grab as well. As long as he can just go in and terrorize opponents, he'll always be a solid character with just a few bad matchups. I'll be back later though.
This is the official, let's talk about Doomsday's bad match ups and see how bad they really are thread. Also why the fuck does everyone up play this character so much? He only bodies people that don't know the match up and like to hit buttons in between plus frames.
In my eyes DD is a character who destroys players, not characters. As long as players realize that, DD wont be that much of a threat in the future. As for AA options, besides his AS, you mean his d2? If so, its good, but not that good. I can name you many other characters with much better d2's in terms of hit box and range. Combo wise, he has a 42% or 43% dmg combo with one 1 bar off a body splash but i ve never seen anyone doing it besides me. Its shit hard to do it, especially in an intense match. I still drop it quite a few times. Requires strict timing.
Have you played him offline Dave? Cause online does not mean much.
wouldn’t go that far i know it has a crazy good hitbox but can't you just block high after it and not have to worry about anything as her low wont reach?. And she has to work really hard to get into the range where her low hits so its only fair that she does big damage.
oo, Thread title should be a little different then. Tell me why you think batman is a bad mu. 7-3 post patch seems very silly.
I think it's 6-4. His parry is a hard thing to ignore and bats are annoying. But at least he has to commit to his parry, so it's really punishable unlike other characters *cough cough Wonder Woman*. His zoning also forces you to have meter or trait in order to get in. I think he deals with Doomsday really well. The good part is that once you knock him down he doesn't really have any options.
You can just stand up and block. You dont have to do a wake up every time you are knocked down. Her wake up game is mediocre, yes, but her other tools are not. Dont rely only to her wake up game. See the character as a whole. Batman has probably the shittiest wake up game in the entire cast, does that stop him from destroying other characters, even after the patch? Nope.
Not yet offline.
Agreed. Atm i see it as a 5-5 as well. If Zod activates trait, DD can just wait for the trait to end and then start his offense against Zod. Not to mention that once Zod is knocked down, its party time for DD. One good thing though, Zod charge wins against Venom if they trade. Just wanted to let you know.
Catwomans wakeup game sucks.
I said her TRAIT wake up was awesome. Not her wake up game in general...