Strategy Doomsday's weaknesses.

[Doombawkz]

His MB lightning destroys MB venom. Plus on block it has INSANE push back, its ridiculous. Once DD's trait is gone, BA has free chip dmg and meter burn, so pretty much, the MU goes around in circles, which in the end favor BA. You are free to check on anything and let me know, but believe me, a lame BA player destroys DD.

The push-back isn't too bad, but honestly its very light considering he has to spend a bar for it.
Not to mention once your trait is gone, the moment he runs out of meter you're in.

Just looking at it, doing a f.throw into Mb venom as soon as the animation ends will eat everything he has that even somewhat resembles an option.

Like I kid you not. Everything from jumps to dive kicks to attacks... If its not a super, Mb venom will crush it. If ever a way to maintain pressure, that's it. Outside of trait, you still have a means to stay in regardless if they want you to or not.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

I'm also like 99% sure Bane is 5-5 by the way.

No thanks!

Not saying she's top 5 or anything even close to that. I know she has some really bad match ups. She's honestly probably pretty close to Doomsday on the list.

Like I kid you not. Everything from jumps to dive kicks to attacks... If its not a super, Mb venom will crush it. If ever a way to maintain pressure, that's it. Outside of trait, you still have a means to stay in regardless if they want you to or not.

That's really timing specific. And if he just blocks it's always a read with Adam. Like I said, I don't think it's terrible. But I've also had a lot of practice with the match up.

 

[Metzos]

The push-back isn't too bad, but honestly its very light considering he has to spend a bar for it.
Not to mention once your trait is gone, the moment he runs out of meter you're in.

Just looking at it, doing a f.throw into Mb venom as soon as the animation ends will eat everything he has that even somewhat resembles an option.

Like I kid you not. Everything from jumps to dive kicks to attacks... If its not a super, Mb venom will crush it. If ever a way to maintain pressure, that's it. Outside of trait, you still have a means to stay in regardless if they want you to or not.

The push back is bad, cause like i have explained before, BA is excellent at building meter. DD can build meter yes, but once he is in. And BA will never stay close to DD, like ever. If you compile the good factors of meter management the good factors weigh at BA's favor by far in the end. I told you before, his MB lightning alone destroys DD's tools in the particular MU. Also MB lightning wins against MB venom when in mid screen. Plus BA has the universal option of push blocking.

 

[Doombawkz]

The push back is bad, cause like i have explained before, BA is excellent at building meter. DD can build meter yes, but once he is in. And BA will never stay close to DD, like ever. If you compile the good factors of meter management the good factors weigh at BA's favor by far in the end. I told you before, his MB lightning alone destroys DD's tools in the particular MU. Also MB lightning wins against MB venom when in mid screen. Plus BA has the universal option of push blocking.

You're talking like a pre-patch Bane right now. Snap out of it.

Against BA, his lightning is a problem BUT he only has so many uses of it. The more meter he wastes throwing stray bolts, the better it is for you. Likewise, you don't need to respond to lightning with an attack. Your dash is one of the best and fastest recovering in the game, just prance and make him regret spending 1 bar for about 5% in chip. As far as pushblocking, yes if he has the spare meter to pushblock but then he won't have the meter to keep you out.

You see where it becomes a problem for them? They have to wager everything on if they can keep you out now, or if they aren't going to be able to. Add in armor (like on Mb venom) beat pushblock. Your f.2 covers HUGE real-estate, so don't be afraid to poke in and out with it. The best option he has is to dive away, and even then you'll be right behind him (I tested MB lightning, if you delay the armor you'll run right past the hitbox when you do pop it).

All of these things affect my character too, only my character also has the downside of massive debuffs when he gets pushed back out. You have to be aggressive and stay aggressive, and sometimes you'll want him throwing lightning, let him waste a few bolts and then charge in balls deep. You won't be sweeping the match, certainly not, however if you give up at mid-screen then you're forfeiting one of DD's best tools which is his ability to get in.

On block you have tools like b.1xx normal throw which will definitely keep them off guard, and b.1xxvenom to mix them up. You have presence after normal throw that cannot be denied in the form of MB Venom. Its like I said in the Bane v DD MU, you have to go with the tide of the match. Manage your meter better than the opponent, and don't be afraid to risk when you know you can get away with it. (and rightly so, BA has a hard time breaking open DD). Take your damage where you can get it and just try to stay ahead as much as you can. You don't always need to be in deep, and sometimes its better to let them take a shot or two at you that you know you can avoid simply to make them drain resource.

 

[Doombawkz]

Like when I say aggressive, I don't mean reckless. Make sure you remember that. Don't crutch on your trait, you honestly should be better off without it on account of him being able to poke at it with 6 frame d.1s all day.

Also, doing a normal throw into ES is another valid strategy. You're literally at its peak range, and if you do it early you'll be left neutral while he is whiffing cage, or you'll stuff the palpitine. Mix with the Mb venom from before for optimal success.

 

[Doombawkz]

That's really timing specific. And if he just blocks it's always a read with Adam. Like I said, I don't think it's terrible. But I've also had a lot of practice with the match up.

Its not really. MB venom's upward hitbox prevents him from getting away, the best he can do is block and take the +6.

Only exception is doing the back throw and them jumping forward over you. That's it, everything else is covered lol.

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

You disagree?

I wasn't even allowed to think Catwoman beat Doomsday the first time I played against her. So I would say he strongly disagrees.

Right now I have Doomsday as 7th best in the game. With that being said he is on his way down from there in my mind as time goes on.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

I wasn't even allowed to think Catwoman beat Doomsday the first time I played against her. So I would say he strongly disagrees.

Right now I have Doomsday as 7th best in the game. With that being said he is on his way down from there in my mind as time goes on.

You really only have 6 people above him? I'd like to know who if you don't mind. I'm trying to make a list, and it's hard for me to put him in top 10 while looking at all the characters and thinking about all of his bad match ups.

Even just assuming Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, MMH, Batman, Adam, and GL are better characters you don't really have much room for Doomsday in top 10. And that's still leaving out Frost, Batgirl, Zod, Flash, Sinestro, Catwoman, and Deathstroke. And I highly doubt he's better than most of those characters when it comes to match up numbers. Though I can see him being even with a few of them.

 

[Temjiin]

You're all wrong, DD is top 5 but loses to Joker.

I've never played Injustice but since the game is barely 6 months old and on patch 9 or something, my opinion is just as valid as yours.

None of you know anything about this game yet.

 

[Metzos]

I wasn't even allowed to think Catwoman beat Doomsday the first time I played against her. So I would say he strongly disagrees.

Right now I have Doomsday as 7th best in the game. With that being said he is on his way down from there in my mind as time goes on.

I never said Catwoman beats Doomsday. I said Catwoman is a better character than Doomsday, overall. The characters i mentioned in my OP are better than DD overall, with what criteria you think DD outweighs them?

 

[Qwark28]

The push back is bad, cause like i have explained before, BA is excellent at building meter. DD can build meter yes, but once he is in. And BA will never stay close to DD, like ever. If you compile the good factors of meter management the good factors weigh at BA's favor by far in the end. I told you before, his MB lightning alone destroys DD's tools in the particular MU. Also MB lightning wins against MB venom when in mid screen. Plus BA has the universal option of push blocking.

3/4 screen to break mb venom armour.

 

[GGA Saucy Jack]

Doomy Doomy Doomy.

We are all still learning every day. The most valid post in this thread is possibly Temjin. We don't know shit about this game.

However, in the spirit of "its all in good fun" my GUESS on DDs bad MUs are:

Frost
Batman
Supes
Bane
BA

I do not know enough about MMH or Zod to include them either way.

I would personally put Doomy around 10. Just inside, or just outside. Call it 8 to 12.

but again, I dont know shit about shit, this is all just how it feels playing him, but I havent explored nearly enough to say that anything I said is gospel.

 

[Qwark28]

You're talking like a pre-patch Bane right now. Snap out of it.

Against BA, his lightning is a problem BUT he only has so many uses of it. The more meter he wastes throwing stray bolts, the better it is for you. Likewise, you don't need to respond to lightning with an attack. Your dash is one of the best and fastest recovering in the game, just prance and make him regret spending 1 bar for about 5% in chip. As far as pushblocking, yes if he has the spare meter to pushblock but then he won't have the meter to keep you out.

You see where it becomes a problem for them? They have to wager everything on if they can keep you out now, or if they aren't going to be able to. Add in armor (like on Mb venom) beat pushblock. Your f.2 covers HUGE real-estate, so don't be afraid to poke in and out with it. The best option he has is to dive away, and even then you'll be right behind him (I tested MB lightning, if you delay the armor you'll run right past the hitbox when you do pop it).

All of these things affect my character too, only my character also has the downside of massive debuffs when he gets pushed back out. You have to be aggressive and stay aggressive, and sometimes you'll want him throwing lightning, let him waste a few bolts and then charge in balls deep. You won't be sweeping the match, certainly not, however if you give up at mid-screen then you're forfeiting one of DD's best tools which is his ability to get in.

On block you have tools like b.1xx normal throw which will definitely keep them off guard, and b.1xxvenom to mix them up. You have presence after normal throw that cannot be denied in the form of MB Venom. Its like I said in the Bane v DD MU, you have to go with the tide of the match. Manage your meter better than the opponent, and don't be afraid to risk when you know you can get away with it. (and rightly so, BA has a hard time breaking open DD). Take your damage where you can get it and just try to stay ahead as much as you can. You don't always need to be in deep, and sometimes its better to let them take a shot or two at you that you know you can avoid simply to make them drain resource.

BA does NOT care about meter.

Adam will be walking back all the time and his walking speed is one of the best, F2 needs to be done at b2 range for Doomsday to connect with it

He will always have a bar of meter and has damage without meter than doomsday himself dreams of having even with 1 bar ( which is very important for him )

 

[Noobe]

Hmmmmmm, another joke thread. IMO doomsday loses to none of those characters in the OP. I played and beat the best batman before the patch and beat them. Now it's even worse for batman. Superman was 6-4. Now 5-5. No more abusive moves to spam or lasers . And he needs meter. BA 6-4 pre patch. Now its 5-5. Why? He can't run as easily at all. Doesn't have ex lightnings to spam. KF I agree 7-3. Yet even been playing known KF players online and have been wrecking them bad very very bad. Just waiting for chaotic . And Nightwing 6-4? When? Never. Especially now. Yea right. I've never played one Nightwing thats ever beaten me consistently. Ever. Why does a lot of these match ups change. That second hit of armor. And the fact that most of these characters got nerfed bad

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[Noobe]

And who ever think WW destroys DD give me a break. I rape every WW if ever faced with ease. That character over rated. Big time. Don't believe me? Ive played at F0xy Grampa 3 times and never lost a set and the sets I did win were always in the double digits every time. Her tools are good but against DD don't mean much. Even in the corner I still have options on defense.

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[astronout]

how is BG a bad MU at all?
also, according to these number of bad MU's, you have doomsday as being bottom 10. laughable.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

And who ever think WW destroys DD give me a break.

I'd like to see some of your match up numbers. I'd also like to see how you approach the WW match up now that she has a vortex. I wouldn't agree that Superman is 5-5 though. I don't think you can just ignore the fact that if you make a wrong read you're getting hit for 40-50% depending on where you are, plus his trait is an obvious issue. I would agree that it's 6-4 and Adam is probably 5-5 now though.

Also I think the reason you don't think Nightwing is bad is because you probably haven't played a Nightwing that knows the Doomsday match up.

 

[Metzos]

Hmmmmmm, another joke thread. IMO doomsday loses to none of those characters in the OP. I played and beat the best batman before the patch and beat them. Now it's even worse for batman. Superman was 6-4. Now 5-5. No more abusive moves to spam or lasers . And he needs meter. BA 6-4 pre patch. Now its 5-5. Why? He can't run as easily at all. Doesn't have ex lightnings to spam. KF I agree 7-3. Yet even been playing known KF players online and have been wrecking them bad very very bad. Just waiting for chaotic . And Nightwing 6-4? When? Never. Especially now. Yea right. I've never played one Nightwing thats ever beaten me consistently. Ever. Why does a lot of these match ups change. That second hit of armor. And the fact that most of these characters got nerfed bad

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You guys dont seem to get it so ll explain it in plain english. THIS IS NOT A TIER PLACEMENT. This is strictly what tools DD does not have and what tools other characters have. This goes to all saying "DD does not lose to x character etc etc" not only you Noobe.

Superman: Nope. 6-4 i can agree with, but 5-5 no, not by a long shot. His trait and his f2 alone negate everything DD has at sweep range. Not to mention now that Soups got normalized, Superman players will not go auto pilot and start playing more carefully. It was the same thing with vanilla DD.

KF: All i have to say is, play offline against a good Frost, not online. DD is broken online, in general.

BA: 6-4 PRE patch? I would really like an explanation for this plz. And saying that he cannot spam MB lightning is invalid. He can, and very good actually. Just because they nerfed his back dash does not mean he cannot out lame DD.

NW: The only thing i agree is that once NW is down it becomes a bit tough for him, but that is not a reason to believe the MU is even. He out classes DD everywhere else on the screen.

Batman: It might be an even MU now, but i need to practice it more. The nerf trait is not a big deal but the nerf he got on his B23 is indeed.

I agree that the second hit of armor helped his anti-wake up game, but saying these MU's are even is ridiculous. Plus the fact that even once, if DD does not space his ES correctly, he gets punished with a full combo by the entire cast. Also keep in mind i said POSSIBLE 7-3's.

Thats the gist of it, i can go into more MU details though if you want.

 

[LaR]

No way is Catwoman better than doomsday. I'd have her bottom her in the bottom 5 possibly bottom 2. All she has is a good j2 a 50/50 and yolo cat dash. her normals are to slow and have bad range she also has no continuous pressure and has one of the worst wake up games.

 

[Noobe]

I'd like to see some of your match up numbers. I'd also like to see how you approach the WW match up now that she has a vortex. I wouldn't agree that Superman is 5-5 though. I don't think you can just ignore the fact that if you make a wrong read you're getting hit for 40-50% depending on where you are, plus his trait is an obvious issue. I would agree that it's 6-4 and Adam is probably 5-5 now though.

Also I think the reason you don't think Nightwing is bad is because you probably haven't played a Nightwing that knows the Doomsday match up.

You could be right about NW. At the same time i didnt know the NW match up and adjusted very well. So are you a NW player or no one that can show me any different? The matched are there for your viewing enjoyment. With more to come. Feel free. And zod players dont hold your breath. Thats another over rated character. More so after patch. DD destroys him. Ive proven then again pig of the hut and as well as M2dave on two occasions. And on my stream channel the very first vid has me versus him in there. Ending at 16-6 if i remember correctly. On our second face off

how is BG a bad MU at all?
also, according to these number of bad MU's, you have doomsday as being bottom 10. laughable.

Batgirl is not a bad match up at all. I don't know who says that.


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[Metzos]

No way is Catwoman better than doomsday. I'd have her bottom her in the bottom 5 possibly bottom 2. All she has is jump good j2 a 50/50 and yolo cat dash. her normals are to slow and have bad range she also has no continuous pressure and has one of the worst wake up games.

Catwoman's normals are on par with Batman's. Her wake up game with trait is awesome AND safe as well. Play a good CW who knows what is doing and you ll see those things as well.

 

[Sajam]

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NW has lots of tools against DD.

He can completely nullify trait time with mb staff spin/stand 1 ground blast in staff. Once you have DD at a specific range after mb staff spin he's sort of stuck. He's in a spot where his normals don't reach, NW is at frame advantage, and his specials aren't fast enough to do anything. NW can just walk forward and threaten him safely. He also has ways to get of DD's wakeup stuff if his mistimes his venom.

If NW gets knocked down in escrima though, it's bad. He can get blown up pretty easily since his normals don't have the speed/range to deal with DD's. The chance of that happening though and NW not being able to get into staff safely isn't as high.

 

[Bildslash]

You guys dont seem to get it so ll explain it in plain english. THIS IS NOT A TIER PLACEMENT. This is strictly what tools DD does not have and what tools other characters have. This goes to all saying "DD does not lose to x character etc etc" not only you Noobe.

Then you need to change the thread's title and the very first sentence you wrote:

I ve been thinking about this for quite some time now and since DD didnt have any significant changes in the recent major balance patch, i believe DD is placed around 16th to 17th place.

Otherwise it is pretty clear THIS IS A TIER PLACEMENT.

 

[Metzos]

how is BG a bad MU at all?
also, according to these number of bad MU's, you have doomsday as being bottom 10. laughable.

Its not. The reason i created this thread is to discuss what tools DD does not have against the characters mentioned in the OP. Its not a DD vs xcharacter discussion.

 

[Metzos]

Then you need to change the thread's title and the very first sentence you wrote:

Otherwise it is pretty clear THIS IS A TIER PLACEMENT.

Will do.