Strategy Doomsday's weaknesses.

[Metzos]

DD's weaknesses:

Slow normals. That means characters with faster normals can easily shut down his ES game. He cannot rely alone in d1xES.

Trait's cool down is too long and the duration is not that much. A good player can easily take advantage of that and shut down his trait if DD tries to advance.

ES is a double edged sword. It can easily keep people on the look out and allow DD for easy meter build but if an opponent spaces himself correctly and makes the low hit whiff, DD gets punished with a full combo. Also the fact that MB ES is slower than the regular one it does not allow DD to use it at all for mix up purposes, except for combos.

Average wake up game.

His bad MU's atm are imo:

Batman (6-4, possible 7-3)
Superman (possible 7-3)
BA (possible 7-3)
Killer Frost (possible 7-3)
Nightwing (6-4)

Characters above him in NPO:

Aquaman, MMH, Killer Frost, Batman, Superman, BA, Batgirl, Nightwing, Bane, Wonder Woman, Zod, Solomon Grundy, Green Lantern, Shazam, Flash, Catwoman.

He also might be losing to Bane, WW and Aquaman. Thoughts? Now dont get me wrong, he is still a very solid character but the characters mentioned above can do better than him overall.

SonicBoomBrad, Noobe, Vintagesoul, GGA Jeremiah, @DD players.


EDIT: Changed the title so it wont be misleading anymore.

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[Doombawkz]

Bane - DD is a 5.5-4.5 at worst, and its mostly skill based on who can avoid the other person's shenanigans.
That's imo, unless something or someone changes my mind I don't think its any worse than that.

 

[Metzos]

Bane - DD is a 5.5-4.5 at worst, and its mostly skill based on who can avoid the other person's shenanigans.
That's imo, unless something or someone changes my mind I don't think its any worse than that.

Could be worse if Bane decides to start spacing DD. The hit box of his d2 is stupidly good, it can even stuff DD's d1 if done correctly sometimes. Plus all the other good things Bane has.

 

[Doombawkz]

Could be worse if Bane decides to start spacing DD. The hit box of his d2 is stupidly good, it can even stuff DD's d1 if done correctly sometimes. Plus all the other good things Bane has.

That's why I said 5.5-4.5 and not 5-5. I do feel its in Bane's favour, however its really not as bad as one might think. Bane can't afford to get reckless, he does have to be careful and play with the tide of the match. Against DD, thing fall apart quickly if Bane isn't wise to the meter game and the pressure situation.

 

[Killphil]

That's why I said 5.5-4.5 and not 5-5. I do feel its in Bane's favour, however its really not as bad as one might think. Bane can't afford to get reckless, he does have to be careful and play with the tide of the match. Against DD, thing fall apart quickly if Bane isn't wise to the meter game and the pressure situation.

Is it just the charge that breaks armor on level 3 venom or do other moves do it too?

 

[Doombawkz]

Is it just the charge that breaks armor on level 3 venom or do other moves do it too?

Any special move at level 3 breaks his trait, barring Ring Toss which gains no venom benefit outside of damage.

 

[Metzos]

Is it just the charge that breaks armor on level 3 venom or do other moves do it too?

All of his specials have armor breaking properties at lvl 3 venom.

 

[16 Bit]

Catwoman???? Plz

 

[AK Ace Universe]

I don't think Doomsday v.s. Batman is 7-3. AK Reno_Racks and I go even at best in that matchup.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Who

freaking

cares

Do you win? if yes continue winning

if no... find a way to win. Quit playing with a tier in mind. FREE YOURSELF and HOLD BANES ARMOR

 

[zuurrkk]

I don't know why tiers are always such a big deal. I think some people forget that matchup numbers are based on the hypothetical situation that the two players are EQUAL in skill. A lot of the time it just boils down to the other player being better, except for maybe at the highest level.

I wish people would spend more time playing the game and coming up with new tech rather than devoting so much energy to arguing who's tier list is the most accurate or what the number is for specific match ups. Because in the end I don't think it really benefits anyone. You can say "oh raven vs gl is 6-4 raven" to any gl player and they won't learn a thing. You can explain WHY the matchup is tilted in her favor, that helps, but it seems all people care about is the number.

If the character is mid tier, it's not an excuse to why you lose. If you want a top tier character, pick one. But if won't be a solid reason why you win. (Not directed at op, just speaking generally)

 

[Doombawkz]

No one said tier though. Just general placement.

Even the worst in this game are upper-mid tier by most game ratings. Still, its good to know where you stand and why.

 

[Metzos]

I don't think Doomsday v.s. Batman is 7-3. AK Reno_Racks and I go even at best in that matchup.

I didnt say DD-Batman is 7-3, i said its POSSIBLY 7-3. It is different.

 

[Metzos]

Who

freaking

cares

Do you win? if yes continue winning

if no... find a way to win. Quit playing with a tier in mind. FREE YOURSELF and HOLD BANES ARMOR

I m just stating that DD is not as strong as people believe him to be. And trust me, some MU's he has are quite unwinnable at the highest lvl.

 

[Metzos]

Catwoman???? Plz

You disagree?

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I m just stating that DD is not as strong as people believe he is. And believe me, some MU's he has are quite unwinnable at the highest lvl.

I believe you

Thats injustice

He still can mop up bad players with good characters

Even at the highest level you can condition them with him.

But he has to hold those parry's and armor.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

WW is a terrible match up. I don't know exactly how bad it is, but it's easily up there with his worst.

Flash is also probably 6-4 because of how much he can disrespect Doomsday's frame traps and how much damage he does.

Adam is probably 6-4 in the new patch also. His mobility is significantly worse, and if you just block standing he has a hard time getting damage on you other than with random ass divekicks. It could probably be 5-5, but I don't really want to start a war by saying that.

I still strongly believe Aquaman and GL are even. They just take patience and spacing. I played against Theo's Aquaman a lot recently and I just played a pretty long set against Rico's Aquaman today. Doomsday has a lot of options against both of them once he lands a knockdown and gets them to the corner. You just have to be careful with your footsies.

Frost and Batgirl give Doomsday problems because of their vortex and good wake ups. Batgirl is just a little bit easier because her zoning is worse and she doesn't have a parry. I'm not really too sure about either of these match ups though. I can see them both being really bad, but I can also see how they wouldn't be that bad. So it's hard to decide until I've played them more.

That being said I still think he's a contender for top 10. But he could very easily be just outside of it. There are a lot of good characters in this game, so it's hard to say right now.

*I edited my post around and added some stuff in there to make it easier to read.

Catwoman???? Plz

Don't downplay Catwoman please. She's ridiculous. I know this better than most people due to playing Krayzie on a regular basis. I don't want to have to go into explanations. But I can if need be.

I don't think Doomsday v.s. Batman is 7-3. AK Reno_Racks and I go even at best in that matchup.

Batman is easily one of his worst match ups. If you're going even, pat yourself on the back.

 

[Doombawkz]

I used to say he was bottom 15, but then I couldn't think of 15 people above him, so he might be top 15.

 

[Rude]

Who

freaking

cares

Do you win? if yes continue winning

if no... find a way to win. Quit playing with a tier in mind. FREE YOURSELF and HOLD BANES ARMOR

Is this a personal meme for you sir, much like my 6-4 Hawk Girl? Because if it is...

I will make you a T-shirt for it. Your next tourney you can be NRF Charlie Murphy...and on the back it will say, "I'M BANE, HOLD DAT ARMOR!"

Perhaps in Spanish. Seems fitting.

 

[16 Bit]

Don't downplay Catwoman please. She's ridiculous. I know this better than most people due to playing Krayzie on a regular basis. I don't want to have to go into explanations. But I can if need be.

No thanks!

 

[Metzos]

WW is a terrible match up. I don't know exactly how bad it is, but it's easily up there with his worst.

Flash is also probably 6-4 because of how much he can disrespect Doomsday's frame traps and how much damage he does.

Adam is probably 6-4 in the new patch also. His mobility is significantly worse, and if you just block standing he has a hard time getting damage on you other than with random ass divekicks. It could probably be 5-5, but I don't really want to start a war by saying that.

I still strongly believe Aquaman and GL are even. They just take patience and spacing. I played against Theo's Aquaman a lot recently and I just played a pretty long set against Rico's Aquaman today. Doomsday has a lot of options against both of them once he lands a knockdown and gets them to the corner. You just have to be careful with your footsies.

Frost and Batgirl give Doomsday problems because of their vortex and good wake ups. Batgirl is just a little bit easier because her zoning is worse and she doesn't have a parry. I'm not really too sure about either of these match ups though. I can see them both being really bad, but I can also see how they wouldn't be that bad. So it's hard to decide until I've played them more.

That being said I still think he's a contender for top 10. But he could very easily be just outside of it. There are a lot of good characters in this game, so it's hard to say right now.

*I edited my post around and added some stuff in there to make it easier to read.

Don't downplay Catwoman please. She's ridiculous. I know this better than most people due to playing Krayzie on a regular basis. I don't want to have to go into explanations. But I can if need be.


Batman is easily one of his worst match ups. If you're going even, pat yourself on the back.

Agreed with everything you ve said except BA. He can still keep out DD with ease, simply because, DD has no aerial mobility, thus he cannot get in on Adam. His MB lightning alone, destroys DD's 3 most important tools. His dash, his venom (MB and regular one) and his trait. Imo its still 7-3 BA, if the BA player decides just to lame out DD. Top 10? No, not by a long shot. Top 15? Possibly.

 

[Doombawkz]

Agreed with everything you ve said except BA. He can still keep out DD with ease, simply because, DD has no aerial mobility, thus he cannot get in on Adam. His MB lightning alone, destroys DD's 3 most important tools. His dash, his venom (MB and regular one) and his trait. Imo its still 7-3 BA, if the BA player decides just to lame out DD. Top 10? No, not by a long shot. Top 15? Possibly.

Don't be so sure, mate. We blow his shit up for free, and our jump looks like helium had an illegitimate child with cotton. We used to think it was 8-2, but now that he can't outrun our BP (and by proxy, your close venom) its much better.

Just needs a bit of work in that specific Mu and I'm sure you'll see its not too bad.

 

[Metzos]

Don't be so sure, mate. We blow his shit up for free, and our jump looks like helium had an illegitimate child with cotton.

I am very sure cause i play against one of the best BA's out there, offline. Also w00t at your post.

 

[Doombawkz]

I am very sure cause i play against one of the best BA's out there, offline. Also w00t at your post.

Honestly, I'm sure if I watch a match or two then I could tell you exactly how to beat that particular player.

But aside, going into general MU talk... Just trait up on knockdown, and throw 50 gallons of bounce-dat-ass in his face. Once your trait is gone, let him burn out his meter doing useless MB lightnings and just stay about half a screen away until trait is up again. Then Mb venom, trait, and repeat.

Your biggest downside is DD doesn't do much for damage (at least not for free) but on the upside you have some incredible pressure and Mb venom will go through lightning just because of the movement as long as you get the armor quick enough.

If you'd like, I don't mind finding you some good OS and techs to use against BA specifically. You'll need to apply them, but I can make them if you'd like my help.

 

[Metzos]

Honestly, I'm sure if I watch a match or two then I could tell you exactly how to beat that particular player.

But aside, going into general MU talk... Just trait up on knockdown, and throw 50 gallons of bounce-dat-ass in his face. Once your trait is gone, let him burn out his meter doing useless MB lightnings and just stay about half a screen away until trait is up again. Then Mb venom, trait, and repeat.

Your biggest downside is DD doesn't do much for damage (at least not for free) but on the upside you have some incredible pressure and Mb venom will go through lightning just because of the movement as long as you get the armor quick enough.

If you'd like, I don't mind finding you some good OS and techs to use against BA specifically. You'll need to apply them, but I can make them if you'd like my help.

His MB lightning destroys MB venom. Plus on block it has INSANE push back, its ridiculous. Once DD's trait is gone, BA has free chip dmg and meter burn, so pretty much, the MU goes around in circles, which in the end favor BA. You are free to check on anything and let me know, but believe me, a lame BA player destroys DD.