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[Doombawkz]

That still sounds like Bane specific tech. Are you armored? Bane's normals are probably meaty enough that he can do something like that. Not everyone has normals with those kind of active frames, certainly not Batman. Even if they could no one in their right mind would try to meaty Up Venom, cuz if they time it wrong, then they eat it, and DD is under control. If DD chooses to not Up Venom, then they eat a full combo if they're meaty isn't safe.

Its standing 2. A 12 frame unarmored mid. And f.1, a 24 frame unarmored mid.
Its not Bane specific. After DD starts moving, he loses invuln. Considering the range and the fact that DD will have to spend time standing back up in general, I can't imagine a move that would stuff it but be unsafe allllll that length of time.

 

[RM Truth]

Its standing 2. A 12 frame unarmored mid. And f.1, a 24 frame unarmored mid.
Its not Bane specific. After DD starts moving, he loses invuln.

Can we please take Bane out of the equation? I think we all understand that MU is very good for Bane. I understand they have large startup, but they also probably have good active frames. Something that most character can't take advantage of. You will never see Batman, Aquaman, or even Superman attempt something like that. It's just something that doesn't happen in a real match.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Because my character has a parry, is grundy, or is superman?

idk what you're even trying to say.

 

[Doombawkz]

idk what you're even trying to say.

My description of DD being bottom 15 only involved mentioning Bane once, and that's in comparison to superman as a countered pick. Everything else was things other characters do to DD that makes him less than capable at using MB venom. On top of, ya know... everything else that I mentioned that was DD specific.

 

[Doombawkz]

Can we please take Bane out of the equation? I think we all understand that MU is very good for Bane. I understand they have large startup, but they also probably have good active frames. Something that most character can't take advantage of. You will never see Batman, Aquaman, or even Superman attempt something like that. It's just something that doesn't happen in a real match.

Its actually only 5-5, or like 6-4 at its best.

Superman could do it without too much trouble and if you want I can make you a video showing multiple characters doing it. Just write me up a list and I can get it done. Taking Bane out of the equation, theres still 29 other characters who slap him out of his wake-ups like he was zod.

 

[RM Truth]

My description of DD being bottom 15 only involved mentioning Bane once, and that's in comparison to superman as a countered pick. Everything else was things other characters do to DD that makes him less than capable at using MB venom. On top of, ya know... everything else that I mentioned that was DD specific.

I'm sorry Doomie, I love you in a non homo way, but a lot of those options you described sounds like theory fighting. Noone is going to react to Venom from footsie range, and no one is going to attempt to blow up a 7 frame window on wake up Up Venom.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

My description of DD being bottom 15 only involved mentioning Bane once, and that's in comparison to superman as a countered pick. Everything else was things other characters do to DD that makes him less than capable at using MB venom. On top of, ya know... everything else that I mentioned that was DD specific.

It isnt' even worth it to try and bring you into what i'm saying. It is going over your head. You see bits and pieces, but not the entire picture.

I know what you're saying.... its the same shit everyone else spits when they have a good MU. Have you met the KF forum? You're on that level right now. You don't have perspective on the character because you don't use him... and you don't care. To prove my point. MOST of the stuff you're talking about works because your character has a way to negate blocking. Only 2 other characters can do that. Blocking is not a bad thing in this game..... only against a select few is it that bad.

the epidemic of forums.

 

[RM Truth]

Its actually only 5-5, or like 6-4 at its best.

Superman could do it without too much trouble and if you want I can make you a video showing multiple characters doing it. Just write me up a list and I can get it done. Taking Bane out of the equation, theres still 29 other characters who slap him out of his wake-ups like he was zod.

I'm not saying that character can't do it. There is a 7 frame window to blow it up, which is possible, but it won't happen in a real match. That's like saying that it's possible to MB b3 on reaction to a KF slide to bring back an old joke.

 

[Doombawkz]

It isnt' even worth it to try and bring you into what i'm saying. It is going over your head. You see bits and pieces, but not the entire picture.

I know what you're saying.... its the same shit everyone else spits when they have a good MU. Have you met the KF forum? You're on that level right now. You don't have perspective on the character because you don't use him... and you don't care.

the epidemic of forums.

Sooo do you want to explain to me how DD doesn't get Mb venom stuffed by all the things I listed, orrrr are you just going to keep backpedaling? Because I'm not seeing a "this is why you are wrong", all I'm seeing is a "you are wrong".

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Sooo do you want to explain to me how DD doesn't get Mb venom stuffed by all the things I listed, orrrr are you just going to keep backpedaling? Because I'm not seeing a "this is why you are wrong", all I'm seeing is a "you are wrong".

why do I have to wakeup?

Against all but 3 characters...... i can block.

See... perspective.

 

[Doombawkz]

I'm not saying that character can't do it. There is a 7 frame window to blow it up, which is possible, but it won't happen in a real match. That's like saying that it's possible to MB b3 on reaction to a KF slide to bring back an old joke.

I throw kf slides. And the 7 frame window is the same for both wake-ups so I mean its not like if you time one you risk the other.
People respect Zod on wake-up for no reason, and people respect DD on wake-up the same way. And a 7f window is pretty sizable once you get down to it.

Like you say "no one is going to attempt x", but why not? Its not like theres any risk to doing it once the timing is down.

 

[Doombawkz]

why do I have to wakeup?

Against all but 3 characters...... i can block.

See... perspective.

Who said on wake-up? I'm talking in general.
Though now that you mention it, most characters can just normal you out of your wake-ups so that's an entire new batch of worms.

 

[LiangHuBBB]

So the thing is , no matter who I use , people always b**** and complain about smth

pick Joker and no one will ever complain

 

[RM Truth]

pick Joker and no one will ever complain

And then LiangHu comes in and combo breaks this whole debate.

 

[Doombawkz]

And then LiangHu comes in and combo breaks this whole debate.

You still need to play me in PSASBR.

 

[RM Truth]

pick Joker and no one will ever complain

LiangHu, I wanna play u in Street Fighter some day. I've never fought a good T Hawk player.

 

[RM Truth]

You still need to play me in PSASBR.

Probably today, since I decided to not go to GGA today.

 

[Doombawkz]

Probably today, since I decided to not go to GGA today.

What? Why not? D:
I need to hear your voice on commentary ;_; Its like nectar to me.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

So what if I get hate mail? That must mean i'm doing something right.

Also, you are a fool if you think Doomsday is towards the bottom now...

 

[Galactic Geek]

You guys have hijacked this thread & driven too far off topic discussing matchups with Bane, Doomsday, & Grundy - this is not the place for that. Go to their respective matchup threads & have that discussion there. This is a thread about people complaining in the game, so if you're going to stay here, that's what you guys are going to need to be talking about.

 

[RM Truth]

I throw kf slides. And the 7 frame window is the same for both wake-ups so I mean its not like if you time one you risk the other.
People respect Zod on wake-up for no reason, and people respect DD on wake-up the same way. And a 7f window is pretty sizable once you get down to it.

Like you say "no one is going to attempt x", but why not? Its not like theres any risk to doing it once the timing is down.

If you're throwing KF slides, which I assume your talking a command throw?, that sounds like more of a read then anything else. The reason why ppl don't attempt it is that in a real match, there's too many other things to think about like interactables and your positioning. Obviously it's something that can be done, but lets be honest. You're probably better off just blocking it anyways, since you can full combo punish it. You'll have to learn which strings can blow it up, and what happens if the only string you have that can do it is punishable? If the DD doesn't do it then u get fucked up. Also you have to keep in mind his placement during the move. Aquaman's B1 could potentially blow it up, but it probably won't hit because it hits close to the ground while DD is already up in the air.

 

[RM Truth]

What? Why not? D:
I need to hear your voice on commentary ;_; Its like nectar to me.

We don't stream casuals. Family things came up.

 

[RM Truth]

You guys have hijacked this thread & driven too far off topic discussing matchups with Bane, Doomsday, & Grundy - this is not the place for that. Go to their respective matchup threads & have that discussion there. This is a thread about people complaining in the game, so if you're going to stay here, that's what you guys are going to need to be talking about.

Noone was home so we thought we could make ourselves comfortable. ;__;

 

[Doombawkz]

If you're throwing KF slides, which I assume your talking a command throw?, that sounds like more of a read then anything else. The reason why ppl don't attempt it is that in a real match, there's too many other things to think about like interactables and your positioning. Obviously it's something that can be done, but lets be honest. You're probably better off just blocking it anyways, since you can full combo punish it. You'll have to learn which strings can blow it up, and what happens if the only string you have that can do it is punishable? If the DD doesn't do it then u get fucked up. Also you have to keep in mind his placement during the move. Aquaman's B1 could potentially blow it up, but it probably won't hit because it hits close to the ground while DD is already up in the air.

Its also a joke... Someone said just normal throw Kf slide on reaction.

Aquaman can just do standing 2, it does the same result for less work.
Or d.2, something that everyone can do.

 

[RM Truth]

Its also a joke... Someone said just normal throw Kf slide on reaction.

Aquaman can just do standing 2, it does the same result for less work.
Or d.2, something that everyone can do.

I missed that joke. ;__;