Match-up Discussion Doomsday Matchup Discussion

[MastererBetty]

I feel that I shall counter pick with Zod against NW and Batman

 

[Metzos]

My two biggest concerns with DD atm, are NW and BA. All else can be dealt with. Even Scorpion...

 

[MastererBetty]

BA shouldn't be too much of an issue after tomorrow. His only wakeup is Lightning Cage which can be beat out with Earth Shake, but NW is pretty bad

Another rough match up is Batman. Keep away is just too good with 1 bat trait + batarangs and his insane keep away normals. DD Trait does nothing in this match up for him except soak up damage like a sponge

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

Any time Grundy does a walking corpse you can beat it out with d1 earth shaker. Earth shaker can't be thrown from what I understand, either that or it just beats out the armor completely. D1 earth shaker also beats out all of Grundy's options on wake up including mb trait. And trait obviously makes him ungrabable.

Adding onto that I played some matches with Krayzie yesterday and I think Doomsday does pretty well against Cat Woman. As long as you trait before you go in she can't really use high/low on you, and you can safe jump all her wake ups. Air grab worked on her j2 every time I tried it. Any time she does mb dash you can punish with 123 venom for a free safe jump.

 

[Vintagesoul]

Against Bane you Doyle always recovery roll after being hit by double hammer punch. His only meaty option then is forward dash d1, but that gets beaten by wake up venom. This basically means that he has no real oki off double hammer.

 

[Espio]

Thoughts on Hawkgirl versus Doomsday?

 

[iBrawlGG]

Why isn't it letting me look at the match-up points when I click the spoiler? I can't scroll down and it doesn't display the pop down for me to read it.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

WW just rape faces Doomsday

In case you guys wanted to try and hash that one out.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

WW just rape faces Doomsday

In case you guys wanted to try and hash that one out.

I'll get into the lab and see if we have safe jumps against her later, though I doubt it because hers covers her 360. Maybe they meaty will work.

On a side note I got bodied by Wonder Chef's GL at WNF today, any tips on approaching that match up or should I just find a secondary? That match up seems impossible.

 

[MastererBetty]

Versus the WW match up MB Venom works wonders against her zoning since it pops her out the air. The only thing with this match up is you gotta respect the 360. Wake Up Venom seems to do well versus her mix up game, but gotta remember to block high when in lasso range

Also because of the way WW approaches d1 is really easy to get and whether it's blocked or not can still d1 xx Earth Shake

 

[Vintagesoul]

I'll get into the lab and see if we have safe jumps against her later, though I doubt it because hers covers her 360. Maybe they meaty will work.

On a side note I got bodied by Wonder Chef's GL at WNF today, any tips on approaching that match up or should I just find a secondary? That match up seems impossible.

Green Lantern is one of the few characters that Supernova can be used a bit more liberally against since he can't dash forward to avoid it. MB B3 still counters it though.

 

[migosan]

have no problems with the rest of the cast, even with supes, but i do have problems dealing with that d1 frame trap of nwing and deathstroke, any tips on how to deal with their zoning? venom mb and armor doesnt work and supernova mb is risky,

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

have no problems with the rest of the cast, even with supes, but i do have problems dealing with that d1 frame trap of nwing and deathstroke, any tips on how to deal with their zoning? venom mb and armor doesnt work and supernova mb is risky,

Trait bro.

 

[migosan]

dd gets jailed by nw even with trait, that staff d1 spam is so fast, you really cant jump or do anything, trait will just burn off and you take damage as well,

 

[Drizzle]

Block. DD's trait gets wrecked if he ever blocks Nightwing's staff d1 or Wonder Woman's shield d1.

Also, Deathstroke's d1 is not a frame trap at all.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

dd gets jailed by nw even with trait, that staff d1 spam is so fast, you really cant jump or do anything, trait will just burn off and you take damage as well,

You said frame traps and zoning, I didn't read the frame traps part. Those you're just going to have to learn how to block and when you can swing. DDs d1 can actually interrupt a lot of stuff in this game because of it's long range. So just go into training mode and test it. I believe NW can do 3 d1s before you're able to interrupt. But I'm not 100%. As for the zoning, trait.

 

[Metzos]

I believe NW can do 3 d1s before you're able to interrupt. But I'm not 100%. As for the zoning, trait.

4, if it is at point black range. And also the problem is that after 4 blocked d1's, you are exactly when NW wants you. At sweep range where DD has nothing against NW. NW on the other hand has 6 options. D3, flying grayson if you try to jump, standing 2, standing 1, overhead combo starter, j1 and j2.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

4, if it is at point black range. And also the problem is that after 4 blocked d1's, you are exactly when NW wants you. At sweep range where DD has nothing against NW. NW on the other hand has 6 options. D3, flying grayson if you try to jump, standing 2, standing 1, overhead combo starter, j1 and j2.

Yeah, the NW match up is difficult. I usually just counter pick NWs with Adam because he was my main before DD. So I don't really know the DD/NW match up that well.

 

[Qwark28]

you should always backdash his d1 on block with trait

when you dont have trait you can d1 him back and it will beat anything except another d1

D1 venom counterpoke = if NW doesn't D1 it will hit him and you can MB on block

He can only keep doing D1s and you've convinced him to stop going for mixups.

what he can do tho is D1 staff spark which youll interrupt anyways.

if you guess wrong and get hit by a d1 you are forced to block another, hes +18

 

[Sublime]

you should always backdash his d1 on block with trait
when you dont have trait you can d1 him back and it will beat anything except another d1

Pretty much this is my option vs D1 aswell, if got space always trait up when im aproaching him directly and have extra meter for MB venom close the gap, if he tries put staff on ´n spark shit out of me. What comes to corner pressure i´d say do less D1 into ground slam and instead do B1 or F2 into Ground slam/Meter strike (non MB) for mixup and lastly my advice on this is MU atleast has worked for me Block High at mid range and full screen prepare to be Crouching for sparks

 

[Qwark28]

Pretty much this is my option vs D1 aswell, if got space always trait up when im aproaching him directly and have extra meter for MB venom close the gap, if he tries put staff on ´n spark shit out of me. What comes to corner pressure i´d say do less D1 into ground slam and instead do B1 or F2 into Ground slam/Meter strike (non MB) for mixup and lastly my advice on this is MU atleast has worked for me Block High at mid range and full screen prepare to be Crouching for sparks

You should always earth shake when your opponent cant block it and when its a true mixup, you always wanna keep them guessing and score knockdowns, chip damage doesnt exist in this game and there is no true pressure if that pressure doesnt lead to a knockdown or a reset

you often wont have time for anything other than a d1 unless its after 33 or venom and youve conditioned NW not to press shit.

 

[TimTim]

Is DD free against Shazam? He teleports out of wakeup pressure everytime and his jump in is a pain to anti air and block. I've been doing df3 on wakeup because it hits if he tele's back he gets hit and if he teles towards you with proper timing it auto doesn't autocorrect and instead does db3 and hits him too. Kind of an os but it's so weak.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

Is DD free against Shazam? He teleports out of wakeup pressure everytime and his jump in is a pain to anti air and block. I've been doing df3 on wakeup because it hits if he tele's back he gets hit and if he teles towards you with proper timing it auto doesn't autocorrect and instead does db3 and hits him too. Kind of an os but it's so weak.

Yes. It's sad but it's true. Just play Adam for like half a day and you'll be able to beat him no problem.

 

[TimTim]

Yes. It's sad but it's true. Just play Adam for like half a day and you'll be able to beat him no problem.

Nah it's cool lol I can use half the cast with ease DD is like the 11th character I'm using

 

[Metzos]

Is DD free against Shazam? He teleports out of wakeup pressure everytime and his jump in is a pain to anti air and block. I've been doing df3 on wakeup because it hits if he tele's back he gets hit and if he teles towards you with proper timing it auto doesn't autocorrect and instead does db3 and hits him too. Kind of an os but it's so weak.

DD can win against Shazam if you play the MU carefully. Everything DD has out ranges Shazam pretty much. Even Shazam's gap closing B2 can be down poked by DD. Up close Shazam has a slight advantage. Imo its either 5 - 5 or 6 - 4 slightly on DD's favor. Even if he wakes up with tp he isnt really in any advantage.