its been 17 months. lets solidify a top 5

[HeroesNZ]

potential damage I will take over guaranteed. How is it not logical? I dnt think u are understanding how good vortexes are and her only options arent just the b2 and b1. I mean I could look up sf2 vega, sf4 akuma, I would even same zero from maevel 3 because of his incoming mixup game once he kills a character. Vortex over raw damage (especially when the vortex is safe for the most part and can be continued). Just raw damage is not going to beat out a vortex.

QFT

You are ignoring the fact that Flash at least needs trait to do his 60% and needs meter for combos. Flash is good but he isn't quite as good as meterless vortex loops for days

Holy shit, grab your wife and kids because Myles is actually Wright, the world must be ending.

Well yeah I know he needs meter and trait, but without trait he can still do decent damage. Batgirl also needs meter if her vortex is going to evolve from just the b1/b2 mixup like you said @MITDJT. Flash also has standing resets, 50/50s, OTGs, he can also avoid interactables with speed dodge, good whiff punishing tools and better dashes. And these "meterless loops" aren't guaranteed, one block and you're out.

Well she can also get ambiguous crossups without meter, which could be another option depending on her positioning, but I don't need to tell you that. If we're talking guaranteed damage Batgirl gets more than Flash does without trait, and also without meter. If there's a BGB around Batgirl gets nearly 50%. You also seem to be leaving out her corner damage. Her corner carry is about the same, if not better than Flash's, and we all know what Batgirl is like in the corner. Yes, Flash can kill you in 2 reps with meter and trait, but Batgirl can kill you in two reps with meter in the corner - which is just as, if not more likely than Flash hitting you with two trait combos in the same round.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

He loses supes, aqua, bane, batman, flash and and possibly zod and frost. he 6-4s most of the low tiers yes. Doesn't crush em like sinestro. And no there's not multiple doomsdays in the top 8. I'M in the top 8 with noobe. And PL when he decides he's on his dd kick.

Sounds like a top 5 character to me

 

[ForeverKing]

Real talk, can we get an exhibition between @WoundCowboy and @FOREVER KING using Sinestro and Wowo respectively? When's the next time you too will play offline?

TFC

 

[ForeverKing]

smoke destroys freddy, at least 7 3. Also characters like kenshi/ raiden/ mileena/ etc. lao does better. So let's not forget that

Actually Kung Lao and Freddy both do equally well against Mileena, I'll admit Lao does better against Raiden. Kenshi is questionable, because some people used to say Kenshi goes 5-5 with both Freddy and KL and some people used to say that Kenshi loses to both Freddy and Kung Lao 4-6.

So honestly Freddy bops more characters than KL, and Smoke is only 4-6 for Freddy imo

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Actually Kung Lao and Freddy both do equally well against Mileena, I'll admit Lao does better against Raiden. Kenshi is questionable, because some people used to say Kenshi goes 5-5 with both Freddy and KL and some people used to say that Kenshi loses to both Freddy and Kung Lao 4-6.

So honestly Freddy bops more characters than KL, and Smoke is only 4-6 for Freddy imo

mannnnnnnnnn, we going to have to play each other in mk9 again

 

[ForeverKing]

Is Cage in your top 10? :mjpls:

Yes. Imo it goes like this:

Kabal
Cyrax
Kenshi
Sonya
Freddy
Kung Lao
Smoke
Kitana
Cage
Skarlet

 

[coolwhip]

Is Cage in your top 10? :mjpls:

Cage is in everyone's top 10.

 

[ForeverKing]

I'm so glad there is only 1 Wonder Woman Upplayer in this thread. @FOREVER KING you can direct your apology to http://testyourmight.com/threads/its-time-for-your-apology.45530/

I'm not upplaying her I said she's top 10 which is true

 

[Rip Torn]

If you're throwing interactables at Flash close enough and predictable enough to where he can shake and punish, that's on you.

Same thing could be said for trying to throw interactables at Batgirl, couldn't it? Also, this point about Flash needing meter and trait to do 60%, as if Flash players don't save trait just for that combo or meter is hard to come by in this game, is a huge bill. Also, Batgirl's zoning is a bill. She doesn't zone anyone out. People need to stop bringing that up...

Flash: Get hit + 1 wrong guess = dead

Batgirl: Get hit + at least 2 wrong guesses = dead.

Yes, I've downplayed Batgirl all the way to 5th place which her MU numbers support. Not one 7-3 she has across the board. Basically all her hard MU's are the rest of the top 5.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Yes. Imo it goes like this:

Kabal
Cyrax
Kenshi
Sonya
Freddy
Kung Lao
Smoke
Kitana
Cage
Skarlet

no reptile........ smh haha.

 

[coolwhip]

Same thing could be said for trying to throw interactables at Batgirl, couldn't it?

Yes, except this applies to Batgirl from any distance. And if she's preventing you from throwing interactables (for the most part), then that's already a HUGE plus. A tool can be very effective without being used, if it's forcing the opponent to respect enough to where they stop themselves from doing something.

Yes, I've downplayed Batgirl all the way to 5th place which her MU numbers support. Not one 7-3 she has across the board. Basically all her hard MU's are the rest of the top 5.

Not the numbers provided by the current best Injustice players in the world, who happens to me mopping everyone up with the character in question and barely dropping matches in the process.

 

[Pnut]

I'm not upplaying her I said she's top 10 which is true

She could not be. I have her in the 9-11 range.

 

[ForeverKing]

no reptile........ smh haha.

Skarlet is better than Reptile in my opinion. Right outside the top 10 is where you will find Reptile Jax Shang Liu and others

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Skarlet is better than Reptile in my opinion. Right outside the top 10 is where you will find Reptile Jax Shang Liu and others

I would venture to say that reptile's matchup chart is better than hers and kitana. Could be better than cage's as well. Let's not act like cage doesn't have as many or more losing matchups than reptile .

 

[xInfra Deadx]

How it turned from Injustice to MK9 is beyond me

 

[Rip Torn]

Yes, except this applies to Batgirl from any distance. And if she's preventing you from throwing interactables (for the most part), then that's already a HUGE plus. A tool can be very effective without being used, if it's forcing the opponent to respect enough to where they stop themselves from doing something.
Not the numbers provided by the current best Injustice players in the world, who happens to me mopping everyone up with the character in question and barely dropping matches in the process.

Flash can get out of "guaranteed" interactable setups that BG can't. If you look at Fox's #'s, all those are 5-5's but BG has no clear advantage in any of those. Fox has run through tournaments with Mileena, but I haven't even seen her in anyones top 10 on here. Of course he's going to do well with a top tier.

 

[TKB]

Well yeah I know he needs meter and trait, but without trait he can still do decent damage. Batgirl also needs meter if her vortex is going to evolve from just the b1/b2 mixup like you said @MITDJT. Flash also has standing resets, 50/50s, OTGs, he can also avoid interactables with speed dodge, good whiff punishing tools and better dashes. And these "meterless loops" aren't guaranteed, one block and you're out.

Is this seriously still an argument? You've got the Evo champ who is considered the undisputed top player with batgirl plainly stating her matchups and how Good she is, can we stop the argument about it? Batgirl is better overall than flash. I'm sorry.

Regardless, I think we've come to the conclusion that the top 5 are:

AM
MMH
Batgirl
Zod
Flash

 

[ForeverKing]

THANK YOU. People on this site take potential damage over guaranteed damage, how is that logical? Hell yeah her vortex is good, I'm not going to say something stupid like it sucks, but I'd take 1 guaranteed 60% from a 50/50 over however many reps of just under 30% from a 50/50 that aren't even guaranteed and that I could possibly even be punished for trying to continue.

Aaaaaaaaaand credibility gone... you better have some damn good reasoning for that tier list hahaha

You are a fucking god.

#7?! I don't think any of us have said she's lower than top 5

Batgirl is undeniably top 5, no ifs ands or buts about it

 

[AssassiN]

I would venture to say that reptile's matchup chart is better than hers and kitana. Could be better than cage's as well. Let's not act like cage doesn't have as many or more losing matchups than reptile .

Who does Reptile lose to and how bad?

 

[coolwhip]

Flash can get out of "guaranteed" interactable setups that BG can't. If you look at Fox's #'s, all those are 5-5's but BG has no clear advantage in any of those. Fox has run through tournaments with Mileena, but I haven't even seen her in anyones top 10 on here. Of course he's going to do well with a top tier.

But Fox never claimed Mileena has no bad match-ups either, and never made her look that good. There's a reason he went to Sonya. It's not just about the results. It's a combination of the results, the ease in which he's doing it, and what he's claiming about the character. I'm not saying Fox's opinion is gospel but there's something to be said about all the evidence we have regarding Batgirl.

 

[Phosferrax]

TFC

Make it happen. Don't fuck this up for me.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Who does Reptile lose to and how bad?

his worst matchup is sonya (7 3 but that is one of the better 7 3s in the game). I'd say others he loses to are kabal, lao, liu kang, cyrax. I've heard mileena, cage, and scarlet beat him as well but I'm not going to jump the gun that quickly on those matchups.
Cage loses to: kenshi, freddy, kabal, cyrax, sub zero, sonya, and I think that is it. ( I want to say noob possibly but I'd get scolded for that one )

 

[AssassiN]

his worst matchup is sonya (7 3 but that is one of the better 7 3s in the game). I'd say others he loses to are kabal, lao, liu kang, cyrax. I've heard mileena, cage, and scarlet beat him as well but I'm not going to jump the gun that quickly on those matchups.
Cage loses to: kenshi, freddy, kabal, cyrax, sub zero, sonya, and I think that is it. ( I want to say noob possibly but I'd get scolded for that one )

Skarlet's worst MU is 4-6 against Kabal, Cyrax, Kung Lao and maybe Sonya.
The fact that her losing MU are not that bad make me more comfortable to say that Skarlet is better than Reptile, Liu Kang & Cage.

 

[ForeverKing]

Same thing could be said for trying to throw interactables at Batgirl, couldn't it? Also, this point about Flash needing meter and trait to do 60%, as if Flash players don't save trait just for that combo or meter is hard to come by in this game, is a huge bill. Also, Batgirl's zoning is a bill. She doesn't zone anyone out. People need to stop bringing that up...

Flash: Get hit + 1 wrong guess = dead

Batgirl: Get hit + at least 2 wrong guesses = dead.

Yes, I've downplayed Batgirl all the way to 5th place which her MU numbers support. Not one 7-3 she has across the board. Basically all her hard MU's are the rest of the top 5.

But she still doesn't lose to anyone so her "hard matchups" are just 5-5's

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Skarlet's worst MU is 4-6 against Kabal, Cyrax, Kung Lao and maybe Sonya.
The fact that her losing MU are not that bad make me more comfortable to say that Skarlet is better than Reptile, Liu Kang & Cage.

I believe kabal 7 3s her. But yeah I believe she probably loses less matchups than reptile, but I can't say that for sure because scarlet just wasn't explored as much or represented that much in tournaments. She could have more winning matchups than many thought, maybe more losing.