SM StarGazer
The voice of reason in a Sea of Salt
Wow. Now your insulting calenders too. *The balls on this guy*
Wow. Now your insulting calenders too. *The balls on this guy*
I downloaded the sheet and was curious as to what the total points were to each character to determine the tier list. Messed around with the sheet and got the following:
the angel with the HQT Pred mood chooser spoke.
this is the thing with mu charts . no one can judge a mu untill you can learn and play vs highest level with each character. all i know so far is that no character is a bad mu for him but could be subject to change in the future . maybe theres a sneaky couple 6-4 over him but not sure and havent found it yet. i know flame fist can wreck jax to be fair. and in dragons fire liu should be controlling the spacing game and zoning game. jax can give him issues with df when hes up in his face. but with flame fist theres so many holes in jaxs pressure the ex wp seems like a godsend and flame fist vs jax i think is bad for jax . but i put liu in top 3 overall to be fair. i found his hardest mu so far shinnok and lao. I still dont see a bad mu for him though but might be subject to change in the future who knows
I also have flame fist beating Jax but I was discussing about Dragon's fire. I agree that he is probably top 3 in the current state of the game, but I think you guys are slightly overrating by only looking at his tools(which are very good, don't get me wrong) instead of looking at his weaknesses as well.
like you said its just theory in mus because we cant know yet . the games too early
, and yeh in df vs jax im not 100% on. just that flame fist beats him for sure. liu got his weaknesses but no bad mus found as of yet which is nice . i dont think df liu vs is bad for either characters to be fair. i hear a lot of "jax cant get in with f21 cos lius d3 " , then im like then just use his f3/f4(dnt remember which is his) to full combo punish it. id have to play tyrant or someone of similar skill too decide. and jax can be like a bad rash to get him off liu upclose.
I am no savior to anyone.
yes, that was the joke.
One of my main training partners has a seriously amazing Jax and I 100% positive that Jax beats DF. It's not just that he can get in with F21, F3, or either of his dash punches. It's the fact that when he gets in it's extremely hard for Liu Kang to get out of his pressure, backdash and his pokes aren't much of a help so you just have to wait until the Jax player leaves a slight hole for you to get out, even then the Jax player can read that and go for ex Overhead dash punch and combo you. I definitely cannot see Dragon's Fire winning this MU at all. Flame Fist has a much easier time with better zoning, Ex windmill punches, and parry to make Jax think twice before he does anything.like you said its just theory in mus because we cant know yet . the games too early
is he on ps4 or xboxone? , id like to try so i can see.
I play offline with him and couple of friends, they sometimes play online but don't play with randoms or anyone from the East Coast or overseas(they live in California) because it's pointless. I can try to get them to play with you, but they're not the biggest fans of TYM either.
nice and whats are those other mus in your opinion?
Im so sorry but you can't be 100% positive on that my TYM acquaintance and it comes down to this- your either not using liu kangs tools well or your suffering from respecting your opponent too much. Jax does NOT in anyway shape or form beat liu kang dragon fire 100% AT ALL are you high?
Raiden has 164
Jax: 4-6
Congrats you beat up a training dummy.The only way for you to get around a high attack that is insanely negative on whiff is to EX armor through it? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I guess I've been playing the matchup all wrong. I mean, it's not like his overhead is the most easily blocked move ever. And it's not like I can run full screen every time he whiffs a bf3.
Yep, gotta armor through that shiiiiit otherwise there's just no way around it
I think A-List loses 3-7, it is super though. Looks like one of JC hardest MUs to me:
They're both very strong pressure characters in their own right. Liu gets more flow chart guaranteed pressure, far better zoning, and slightly better mobility, while Cage has more of a guessing game pressure, better footsies, standing resets, and an armored launcher. Neither character wants to deal with the others pressure nor should they be jumping around to get they're game started, but the zoning is what puts it in Liu's favor though.
Lol I want you to tell me the truth- your high aren't you?!
I don't see this as a 6-4 in Jax's favor given DF's current state, because Liu can build meter like crazy through either his fireball or pressure game he always has a safe option out of 90% of Jax's pressure options minus 12 which will break the armor. The problem with throwing out 12 is that you're negative from this point onwards and it is Liu's turn to hit you with the bullshit. So one option covers your armor but leads to eating god knows how much of you're pressure, or you can armor every other button after the slightly plus 11 or f2/f21 etc outside of armor though I understand your options are very much limited to what Jax can do. Reading with an EX overhead dash punch isn't really needed because if you're going to break the armor you may as well do it freely.
There were a couple of discrepancies as pointed earlier - I wasn't interested in correcting them! So I just took one of the totals.
Boom drops mic
I'm just gonna post some bullet points of what I think of this from top to bottom.
