boba_buster
Noob saibot
Well it's 20-22% I'm hoping we can find a way to at least get it to 25%
Well it's 20-22% I'm hoping we can find a way to at least get it to 25%
With the ji2 ender backdashing won't work
lol that is fucking terrible.
We don't I checked , +17 is the most without a knock down other than jip
What is the hit advantage on ji2? Is it more than the +17 from 21? I didn't even think about just doing ji2 by itself
If we can hit minimum 25% in the corner with ji2 that would be nice.
http://www.mkxframedata.com/ says +50. Not sure if that's correct.
Oh wow, so that should definitely be able to jail the overhead no problem if true, heck even if it were only half of that (+25) it would still easily jail the 18 frame overhead. Ill have to test it when I get on ps4 tonight.
man...MKXFD needs to get their shit together.
+24 is the truth it seems. Good enough.
Awesome, im just going to end vortex combos in ji2 and that way everything will jail
It's really not that tricky , just don't Input the b1/3 as part of the ji2 string like u normally would do if you were trying to combo off a jump in , if you got armored out you waited way too long. Slight pause after pressing 2 while in air is all that is needed
I totally get what you are saying but I am also wondering something else about using ji2 to start the vortex. I assume that ji2 is +24 from the time that the jip hits, but you are still in the air when the jip hits, so how many frames does it take for you to land then input your b1 or b3? You obviously can't just dial it like a string after jip because, as we were just discussing, it would just combo. So if it takes a few frames to be able to land (probably a couple more depending on how high you were when you hit the ji2) it may not end up being anymore plus than 21, possibly less? I don't know, I'm just throwing that out there. If we test and determine that ji2 can truly (consistently) jail into b1 that is great but on an aerial attack plus frames can be deceiving because you still have to land before doing another standing normal
It jails I'm trying it in practice mode right now. I want to add if your opponent is always buffering armor or backdash you can just switch up when you do the vortex to keep them on their toes. Everyone knows 21 is the usual since prepatch. But you can also use 2 as its +14 and they might be waiting for the string to finish. honestly I don't mind the vortex changes that much anymore now that we have it guaranteed with ji2 but the damage is so bad now especially if we end with ji2.
Yeah imo even with 21, it is still not bad by any means, and now that you have confirmed that ji2 does jail into b1, it is basically the same as before the patch minus the 2% smokebomb damage nerf and whatever the 21 adds after the ji2 (I assume we lost a total of around 4%)?
4% was a lot considering he didn't deserve to be nerfed
I agree id love to have the 4% back and to still have the old standing 3 but it is what it is unfortunately
I wouldn't describe what scorpion has as an actual vortex. If you are talking about ending a combo in the teleport standing reset and the mixup between b3 (low) and f4 (overhead) that can absolutely be reacted to since f4 is so slow. Smokes vortex is a true guess since you cannot react to the low or overhead so you must make a guess. Scorpions mixup yields waaaay more potential damage of course but it can be blocked on reaction so I would not call it a true vortex. But when you do manage to hit a f4 with scorpion, its definitely going to hurt bigtime.