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*There* is no credibility in that statement lol
*There* is no credibility in that statement lol
....swing and a miss....someone say tweedy? more like freedy lul
huhI wanna bring one final thing regarding labbing and finding options after something is believed to be obvious and needs to be change. We are talking about REO saying Cyborg needs an AA and several people around here including @Cursa and some others believe that REO is right and they claim that the Cyborg community has labbed enough. Well there is a video from REO's channel from 2016, which he posted regarding the branch Interactable that is in the center of the Kuatan Jungle stage in MKX, about a year and a half after MKX was released and after it was believed by the entire community that all of the uses for that Interactable were found and there is nothing to discover, and yet REO shows how you can jump forward from the branch and who you can spend a Meter bar for it in order to use it for your advantage. So if REO himself can find something new and interesting in MKX, after he labbed it fter he labbed it after a year and half after MKX was released, that means he can also lab for everything else in either MKX or IJ2, including Cyborg, and find new stuff that no one thought was there, or maybe another player will lab and find stuff. That proves that you need to lab more, and not reliying on NRS/WB chaning stuff.
I've even made a video myself on how you can do the Stage Brutality regardless if you jus hang on it or jump right from it after you hang on it, after watching the video from REO back then.
Yo chill, lol.holy fuck you're dumb as a rock
Everyone's thinking it, Ive been here for like 5 years and I've never seen someone post such trash and be so annoying who didn't get banned for being a troll.Yo chill, lol.
I mean, YOU are still here thoEveryone's thinking it, Ive been here for like 5 years and I've never seen someone post such trash and be so annoying who didn't get banned for being a troll.
You can lab how much you want, if a characters aa Options are ass you have to accept that, Buttons don‘t magically change priorities. And saying reo needs to lab more, the person who literally lives in the lab and found massive amounts of tech to this date in every current nrs game is just something elseI wanna bring one final thing regarding labbing and finding options after something is believed to be obvious and needs to be change. We are talking about REO saying Cyborg needs an AA and several people around here including @Cursa and some others believe that REO is right and they claim that the Cyborg community has labbed enough. Well there is a video from REO's channel from 2016, which he posted regarding the branch Interactable that is in the center of the Kuatan Jungle stage in MKX, about a year and a half after MKX was released and after it was believed by the entire community that all of the uses for that Interactable were found and there is nothing to discover, and yet REO shows how you can jump forward from the branch and who you can spend a Meter bar for it in order to use it for your advantage. So if REO himself can find something new and interesting in MKX, after he labbed it fter he labbed it after a year and half after MKX was released, that means he can also lab for everything else in either MKX or IJ2, including Cyborg, and find new stuff that no one thought was there, or maybe another player will lab and find stuff. That proves that you need to lab more, and not reliying on NRS/WB chaning stuff.
I've even made a video myself on how you can do the Stage Brutality regardless if you jus hang on it or jump right from it after you hang on it, after watching the video from REO back then.
Fate is not hitting you at -8 with another F2, maybe at max range which means there's actually opportunity for it to whiff. Any time he even goes into glyph it's a 50/50 on whether Bane armors the gap or punishes the stringHe also does have one of the best footsie tools in the game without question and has a safe on block string ender that leaves him in his footsie range which is really hard to deal with in a lot of matchups because it gives him the option of doing another F2 or backdashing and punishing you if you make the wrong read
Biohazard and honeybee both use Starfire and are now doing better than before though? There was 4 Starfire's in the top 8 of CEO I think it was.I think the idea that Injustice 2 is counterpick heavy is just an excuse to hate on the game. It only seems more counterpick heavy now because there's more money on the line compared to past NRS games so obviously players will try to counterpick to give them the best chance at winning.
Counterpicking is part of the game, otherwise you would have a game full of 5-5s which is impossible. If anything, it actually shows how well-balanced Injustice 2 is because of how many viable characters there are in this game that can be used as counterpicks.
The notion that players counterpick with an easy-to-use character like Starfire or Fate and win is also incorrect. Most of the time when we see players picking an alt to cover a bad match-up, they end up losing. The only Starfire that's winning is Tweedy who pretty much mains the character.
The fact is you're never forced to counterpick. This isn't MK9 or INJ1 where you had 9-1 match-ups and needed to pick a top tier character. Most match-ups in this game are 5-5 or 4-6, with very few 3-7s. Sometimes it's better to just stick with your main and try to overcome a bad match-up.
what 10 bucks can do for you...immunity.Everyone's thinking it, Ive been here for like 5 years and I've never seen someone post such trash and be so annoying who didn't get banned for being a troll.
How much xp in this mu do you have by chance?Fate is not hitting you at -8 with another F2, maybe at max range which means there's actually opportunity for it to whiff. Any time he even goes into glyph it's a 50/50 on whether Bane armors the gap or punishes the string
Have you labbed this mu?
I'd need to go rewatch tournaments to make any counterpoint here. So I'll take your word for it and concede that.If we look at HoneyBee and Bio's paths from Combo Breaker and CEO, they mostly win using their mains. The few times that they use Starfire they usually end up losing (not saying that they are bad with Starfire).
Combo Breaker:
HoneyBee (Flash) vs BurritoVorhees (Bane) - Win
HoneyBee (Flash) vs SylverRye (Hellboy) - Lose
HoneyBee (Flash/Starfire) vs SonicFox (Captain Cold) - Lose
Bio (Bane) vs Slayer (Black Adam) - Win
Bio (Bane) vs HappyPow (Flash) - Win
Bio (Bane/Starfire) vs Tweedy (Starfire) - Lose
CEO:
HoneyBee (Flash) vs Burrito Vorhees (Grodd/Swamp Thing) - Win
HoneyBee (Flash/Starfire) vs Gross (Black Adam) - Lose
HoneyBee (Flash) vs Grr (Atom) - Win
HoneyBee (Flash) vs SonicFox (Michelangelo) - Lose
Bio (Bane) vs Iluusions (Green Arrow) - Win
Bio (Bane) vs Deoxys (Blue Beetle) - Win
Bio (Bane/Starfire) vs Tweedy (Doctor Fate) - Lose
Bio (Bane/Starfire) vs SonicFox (Red Hood/Michelangelo) - Win
Bio did use Starfire against Sonic, but mostly won with Bane. I don't include Viennality since it's one of the smaller tournaments.
This HAS to be a joke. You know how much shit we get for NOT caring who your are and/or if you’re a premium or not?what 10 bucks can do for you...immunity.
I guess that means that Noble Raptor and Wetdoba as well as Crimson Shadow and Chatter Box are also trolls, since they pretty much have said the same things that I've said regading labbing, complaining and the pros picking certain chars, while you try to put the focus on me rather then the topic at hand with one line posts within pretty much any discussion or argument I have with anyone along with God Confirm and Laidbackone and the rest of those guys who do the same thing, which is exactly what a troll does, but no, I'm the one and only real troll around here. Yeah, sure.Everyone's thinking it, Ive been here for like 5 years and I've never seen someone post such trash and be so annoying who didn't get banned for being a troll.
I really appriciate your comment here, thank you very much.This HAS to be a joke. You know how much shit we get for NOT caring who your are and/or if you’re a premium or not?
Btw this goes to everyone. Not liking someone or disagreeing with someone doesn’t mean they should be banned. Not how it works.
Yes REO does lab a lot, and yes properties very rarely change. But that doesn't mean chars need to have tools like AA's, again with what I've said about counter balancing. And that also doesn't mean REO can't lab even more, or that someone else would lab and find something that wasn't known before that can help with that char in those certain MU's, because anyone can find stuff that others didn't find for anything. Just like REO was the one who found stuff about that interactable after everybody thought there is nothing to find anymore.You can lab how much you want, if a characters aa Options are ass you have to accept that, Buttons don‘t magically change priorities. And saying reo needs to lab more, the person who literally lives in the lab and found massive amounts of tech to this date in every current nrs game is just something else
Theo will get away with it all the time in a variety of matchups. You'll see him abuse backdash/second F2 off of a blocked DB2 all the time. Like yeah sometimes he just sits there and blocks but Fate's in a pretty good spot after a blocked DB2. The only character that I know can punish it is Superman with a frame perfect B2 which is pretttyyyy rough and sometimes whiffsFate is not hitting you at -8 with another F2, maybe at max range which means there's actually opportunity for it to whiff. Any time he even goes into glyph it's a 50/50 on whether Bane armors the gap or punishes the string
I play both characters. I know how the beat all the options, I'm just saying the options he has off of a blocked special from an advancing mid. It plays into his gameplan so well.Have you labbed this mu?
yea but the point is that sometimes there just isn't an answer. Like yes there is a chance that eventually something will be found but there's also a chance that there just isn't an amazing solution to something so yea we complain/tell NRS to halp.Yes REO does lab a lot, and yes properties very rarely change. But that doesn't mean chars need to have tools like AA's, again with what I've said about counter balancing. And that also doesn't mean REO can't lab even more, or that someone else would lab and find something that wasn't known before that can help with that char in those certain MU's, because anyone can find stuff that others didn't find for anything. Just like REO was the one who found stuff about that interactable after everybody thought there is nothing to find anymore.
Who knows what hidden stuff there is still in either MKX or IJ2, that's why we need to lab more as a community, not to go online and complain.
@Noble Raptor There's one case you're forgetting here that's important to cover though -- the round-robin situation. A lot of times we think of a counter-pick as a one-off binary action, but it's not. There are often cases where someone *would/might have lost* to a specific character, so they change their pick -- but once they change pick, then the opponent also changes their pick after the next round.If we look at HoneyBee and Bio's paths from Combo Breaker and CEO, they mostly win using their mains. The few times that they use Starfire they usually end up losing (not saying that they are bad with Starfire).
Combo Breaker:
HoneyBee (Flash) vs Burrito Vorhees (Bane) - Win
HoneyBee (Flash) vs SylverRye (Hellboy) - Lose
HoneyBee (Flash/Starfire) vs SonicFox (Captain Cold) - Lose
Bio (Bane) vs Slayer (Black Adam) - Win
Bio (Bane) vs HappyPow (Flash) - Win
Bio (Bane/Starfire) vs Tweedy (Starfire) - Lose
CEO:
HoneyBee (Flash) vs Burrito Vorhees (Grodd/Swamp Thing) - Win
HoneyBee (Flash/Starfire) vs Gross (Black Adam) - Lose
HoneyBee (Flash) vs Grr (Atom) - Win
HoneyBee (Flash) vs SonicFox (Michelangelo) - Lose
Bio (Bane) vs Iluusions (Green Arrow) - Win
Bio (Bane) vs Deoxys (Blue Beetle) - Win
Bio (Bane/Starfire) vs Tweedy (Doctor Fate) - Lose
Bio (Bane/Starfire) vs SonicFox (Red Hood/Michelangelo) - Win
Bio did use Starfire against Sonic, but mostly won with Bane. I don't include Viennality since it's one of the smaller tournaments.
Theo will get away with it all the time in a variety of matchups. You'll see him abuse backdash/second F2 off of a blocked DB2 all the time. Like yeah sometimes he just sits there and blocks but Fate's in a pretty good spot after a blocked DB2. The only character that I know can punish it is Superman with a frame perfect B2 which is pretttyyyy rough and sometimes whiffs
Armouring gaps is always out of Bane's favour.
Bane can check with a D1 to stop him from doing another but then Fate might just backdash which leaves him safely at halfscreen.
Punishing F2 is in Bane's favour but pretty hard to react to. It's more of a conditioning thing once you've armoured through enough gaps. I don't think I can punish a 9 frame mid at -12 but maybe that's me, especially if I'm expecting a special afterwards. I've yet to do it against a Fate, if they even bother to try and bait an armoured reversal.
All I'm saying is that Fate is in a really really good spot after a blocked DB2. There's options to stop him from doing stuff out of it, whether it be F2, other buttons or backdash but... like Bane's best option is forward dash to stop backdash, for example. And there's about a million things that could go wrong with that.
I play both characters. I know how the beat all the options, I'm just saying the options he has off of a blocked special from an advancing mid. It plays into his gameplan so well.
At certain distances the 2nd F2 will low crush d1 but really what fate should be doing to protect himself during f2 attempts and preventing bane fr9m armoring f2 push is cover the gap with anhks. Traitless ahkns wikl make the push armor break and traited ahkns can turn it into a blockstring or punish bane on hitTheo will get away with it all the time in a variety of matchups. You'll see him abuse backdash/second F2 off of a blocked DB2 all the time. Like yeah sometimes he just sits there and blocks but Fate's in a pretty good spot after a blocked DB2. The only character that I know can punish it is Superman with a frame perfect B2 which is pretttyyyy rough and sometimes whiffs
Armouring gaps is always out of Bane's favour.
Bane can check with a D1 to stop him from doing another but then Fate might just backdash which leaves him safely at halfscreen.
Punishing F2 is in Bane's favour but pretty hard to react to. It's more of a conditioning thing once you've armoured through enough gaps. I don't think I can punish a 9 frame mid at -12 but maybe that's me, especially if I'm expecting a special afterwards. I've yet to do it against a Fate, if they even bother to try and bait an armoured reversal.
All I'm saying is that Fate is in a really really good spot after a blocked DB2. There's options to stop him from doing stuff out of it, whether it be F2, other buttons or backdash but... like Bane's best option is forward dash to stop backdash, for example. And there's about a million things that could go wrong with that.
I play both characters. I know how the beat all the options, I'm just saying the options he has off of a blocked special from an advancing mid. It plays into his gameplan so well.
That is true but personally I find going for ankh's kinda risky in a couple of matchups like Bane where he can get a full forward dash on a good read.At certain distances the 2nd F2 will low crush d1 but really what fate should be doing to protect himself during f2 attempts and preventing bane fr9m armoring f2 push is cover the gap with anhks. Traitless ahkns wikl make the push armor break and traited ahkns can turn it into a blockstring or punish bane on hit
I'm very aware that you need to take any case as ti's own, but you also need to be aware where cases are the same. IJ2 is not even a year and half old, and like King Hippo and Slips said in their podcast, we as a community didn't even scratched the surface of this game. And regarding Cyborg, Ram said earlier on the thread that he never complained about Cyborg's AA options and D2 does what he need it to do. So if Ram can deal with it, why REO and you can't? No disrespect, but that sounds more like crying rather then constructive criticism.yea but the point is that sometimes there just isn't an answer. Like yes there is a chance that eventually something will be found but there's also a chance that there just isn't an amazing solution to something so yea we complain/tell NRS to halp.
We can't just wait all the time labbing to try and find a solution, imagine if we waited before nerfing Deadshot, maybe there was just some hidden aspect in 30 characters that we hadn't found that had the answer to his zoning.
There's a case to be made for both sides
Yes I saw that you agreed with Raptor and adimtted yo were wrong.@Roy Arkon
As always your lack of self awareness and perception on the matter is spectacular.
None of what you said is true. As you can see Ive just agreed with @Noble Raptor and admitted I'm wrong. I have reasonable discussions on here all the time with tonnes of users where I eventually say hey I was wrong. Even when I don't I can respect their opinion and how they phrase it
What you're saying is totally moronic every time you're not saying the same as all those users, you have your own catageory of (soap bar in my mouth) rhetoric. What's more likely, all these people have an issue with just you cause they're trolls oooor.. somethings wrong with what you say and do.
Just to help you that last questions rhetorical. Delete your account.