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Why are NRS games looked down upon by high level FGC players?

NeonGroovyGator

Edenia's Ambassador
This is not rocket science guys.
Criticizing valid points to improve the game: good
Surrounding the entire community with an aura of bitchiness and toxicity: not good.
Most fighting games have busted BS. I'd love for MK to be balanced, but not appreciating the good things about the game and bitching about everything DOES harm the game's lifespan.
If you guys wanna pin everything on NRS, fine. I agree they messed up horribly in the past. But not letting go of that isn't gonna take this game anywhere, no matter who's to blame.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Because ppl think NRS fighters are poorly balanced, janky, dont cater to more traditional fighting game dynamics, and focus more on stylized gore and spectacle rather than a grounded competitive fighting game.

You have to look at NRS' pedigree. Their early games are NOTORIOUSLY bad in terms of artstyle. Balance, characters, etc.

They didnt start actually getting their shit together until MK9 and even those games were janky and only had niche NRS appeal once all the big shot capcom players left the scene to go back to their main games.

You can CLEARLY see that NRS was trying to rebrand MK11 as a more 'measured, footsie based, traditional' fighter while still trying to cater to their long time fans.

I dont think its working out well. The game seems like a mess design wise. They tried to please both sides and neither is fully happy.
Technically NRS didn’t make games before MK9, that was Midway. A lot of similar people on the NRS team but yeah. And the classic 2D MK games made by Midway are largely the most respected MK games outside of the MK/NRS community. UMK3 specifically is still regarded as on of the best MK games competitively and ahead of its time. It also aged well since they used mokap and digitized actors.

The only truly bad taste in peoples mouths is the 3D MK’s. But I think that has very little to do with the lack of respect.

It mostly stems from people thinking NRS games aren’t that deep and that there’s not that much competition. And that it’s easier to be a top NRS player compared to a top (insert FG here) player. Which top players in other games have repeatedly tried to test that theory and the overwhelming majority have failed to “come in and dominate”. Since that has generally been the attitude, when the NRS community says pretty much anything back to someone claiming they will come in and dominate, they get butthurt and say we are unwelcoming, lmao.

Anyway, these days only ignorant people think it’s easy to be a top NRS player or that any top player in another game could easily come into an NRS game and dominate. We are slowly getting the respect outside of our community. I’d argue though that we don’t need their respect. They can think whatever they want. Until they prove the top NRS players aren’t that good or whatever it is they claim these days, it’s all talk.
 

JTC

From the Depths
I watched the video too. I think the most important takeaway is what he mentions about Unist and Tekken. About how their communities love their games so much, that it makes you feel like you're really missing out on something great if you don't play or missed a tournament.

Outsiders looking at us bitch endlessly about our game is just going to drive them away.
Great games = happy community

NRS in general makes solid games but dont make great fighting games. Their games are littered with questionable design and balance decisions. They also feel very awkward to play compared to other fighting games and playing nrs games on a stick dont feel very good.
 

haketh

Noob
You want an example why this thread is a good example lmao

Most people in the FGC nowdays have a lot of respect for NRS Top PLayers & while the games may not be their cup of tea they're typically respected. What isn't though is the community because they get like this thread & so many people are super goddamn whiny & have huge victim complexes wrt the scene.
 

xenogorgeous

Fuck yeah !!
Premium Supporter
Technically NRS didn’t make games before MK9, that was Midway. A lot of similar people on the NRS team but yeah. And the classic 2D MK games made by Midway are largely the most respected MK games outside of the MK/NRS community. UMK3 specifically is still regarded as on of the best MK games competitively and ahead of its time. It also aged well since they used mokap and digitized actors.

The only truly bad taste in peoples mouths is the 3D MK’s. But I think that has very little to do with the lack of respect.

It mostly stems from people thinking NRS games aren’t that deep and that there’s not that much competition. And that it’s easier to be a top NRS player compared to a top (insert FG here) player. Which top players in other games have repeatedly tried to test that theory and the overwhelming majority have failed to “come in and dominate”. Since that has generally been the attitude, when the NRS community says pretty much anything back to someone claiming they will come in and dominate, they get butthurt and say we are unwelcoming, lmao.

Anyway, these days only ignorant people think it’s easy to be a top NRS player or that any top player in another game could easily come into an NRS game and dominate. We are slowly getting the respect outside of our community. I’d argue though that we don’t need their respect. They can think whatever they want. Until they prove the top NRS players aren’t that good or whatever it is they claim these days, it’s all talk.
very true and very nice explained here ! ;)

both time that others top pro players, from others fighting games, came public and called out NRS pros to fight, promissing to exposed them (remember IGAU and Injustice 2 ?) , they gaining nothing but embarassment and humiliation,:p so, yeah, NRS top players and Evo champions deserves major respect at the same level as the SF and Tekken ones Evo champions, that's a fact.

the top spot of NRS games are well disputed, that's for sure ..... the top 5 NRS pro players are very good and with very similar skill, there is no huge technical gape among/between them, they can defeat each other anytime, anywhere
 
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JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
This is not rocket science guys.
Criticizing valid points to improve the game: good
Surrounding the entire community with an aura of bitchiness and toxicity: not good.
Most fighting games have busted BS. I'd love for MK to be balanced, but not appreciating the good things about the game and bitching about everything DOES harm the game's lifespan.
If you guys wanna pin everything on NRS, fine. I agree they messed up horribly in the past. But not letting go of that isn't gonna take this game anywhere, no matter who's to blame.
They're messing up horribly now lol

But Imma keep it all the way live with you. Its a combination of both community and NRS. Lets address the elephant in the room....this community complains...ALOT! I see the shit on Twitter and here that people complain about issues of this game, yet continue to play. I even saw a post from Dragon posting a video on how busted the hit box is with Shang. Now we have to ask ourselves why we complain so much but continue to play the game. We love our own community and the undeniable because you muthafuckas are here everyday just like Uncle JBeezY. Even though i do not like the current version of this game, we have to let NRS know our concerns so it can get better. NRS fucked up bad from the beginning. Marketing, communication, having practically everything leaked, to nerfing characters negative day 1, and just giving us a game thats not 100. MK11 has potential to be the best fighter out now but NRS gave us great ideas but half assed to an incomplete game and bad decision making.

For the community to be standing proud by their game, the developers need to give us a quality FUN game we can stand by. MK11 is FAR from that and you cannot force people to like a game, especially when most of us paid over 100 bucks for it. When NRS fix these issues mentioned before, the community is happy. Cause and effect.
 
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xenogorgeous

Fuck yeah !!
Premium Supporter
They're messing up horribly now lol

But Imma keep it all the way live with you. Its a combination of both community and NRS. Lets address the elephant in the room....this community complains...ALOT! I see the shit on Twitter and here that people complain about issues of this game, yet continue to play. I even saw a post from Dragon posting a video on how busted the hit box is with Shang. Now we have to ask ourselves why we complain so much but continue to play the game. We love our own community and the undeniable because you muthafuckas are here everyday just like Uncle JBeezY. Even though i do not like the current version of this game, we have to let NRS know our concerns so it can get better. NRS fucked up bad from the beginning. Marketing, communication, having practically everything leaked, to nerfing characters negative day 1, and just giving us a game thats not 100. MK11 has potential to be the best fighter out now but NRS gave us great ideas but half assed to an incomplete game and bad decision making.

For the community to be stand proud by their game, the developers need to give us a quality FUN game we can stand by. MK11 is FAR from that and you cannot force people to like a game, especially when most of us paid over 100 bucks for it. When NRS fix these issues mentioned before, the community is happy. Cause and effect.
very wise and well said, Uncle Beez ! I happen to agree with ! you have a point, sir !! ;)
 

Slymind

Noob
They're messing up horribly now lol

But Imma keep it all the way live with you. Its a combination of both community and NRS. Lets address the elephant in the room....this community complains...ALOT! I see the shit on Twitter and here that people complain about issues of this game, yet continue to play. I even saw a post from Dragon posting a video on how busted the hit box is with Shang. Now we have to ask ourselves why we complain so much but continue to play the game. We love our own community and the undeniable because you muthafuckas are here everyday just like Uncle JBeezY. Even though i do not like the current version of this game, we have to let NRS know our concerns so it can get better. NRS fucked up bad from the beginning. Marketing, communication, having practically everything leaked, to nerfing characters negative day 1, and just giving us a game thats not 100. MK11 has potential to be the best fighter out now but NRS gave us great ideas but half assed to an incomplete game and bad decision making.

For the community to be stand proud by their game, the developers need to give us a quality FUN game we can stand by. MK11 is FAR from that and you cannot force people to like a game, especially when most of us paid over 100 bucks for it. When NRS fix these issues mentioned before, the community is happy. Cause and effect.
That's is entirely subjective, i'm having a blast and it's my most played game this year.

Also, TC never showed again, perhaps he got what he wanted, feels like one big bait.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
+Bumpyface:I def don't agree with that they can't compete with Gameplay mechanics. There have been games made by them that weren't good or average. NRS has proven to have solid gameplay since MK 9 2011 otherwise would not have been chosen for Evo if they weren't gameplay, tourney viable. MK has always sold very well, even the 3d era games that weren't the best sold pretty decent(probably better than the 3D SF games and that SF the movie game) I'd wager, lol even though I enjoyed that movie game because it was like SF's version of MK, but as you can see MK had a lot of klones during that time that all failed. Digitized actors isn't as easy as it looks lol but Midway did it right. But yeah NRS has been making MK, Inj competitive fighters since 2011 so almost 10 years now. That and you have to consider other factors, NRS games look much better than Capcom past 10 years by far and the storymode NRS are lightyears ahead of everyone else in the genre. Even Capcom admitted this in an interview that they paved the way for storymodes in FG now they're all doing it to some extent.

yeah if you'are excited for dlcs and future patches then you like the game, someone just expect from patches to completly change games lol. Alex is the US wrestler blondie poster guy in sf3 third strike, he's a fan favorite in the 3s community and in sf5 he's just.. i can't even explain how bad he looks (i remember using a mod on pc to be able to watch the screen without trying to carve out my eyes mk style)
Yeah I mean my biggest beef with MK 11 personally are the wake ups, breakaways(in the corner with both) and of course Scorp, Erron Black, Geras and perhaps a few other characters that could use some tweaks. Other than that I enjoy the game a lot. Oh and the hit boxes lol. Oh yeah ok, I thought he was french my fault lol I think I'm thinking of the dude with the mustache lol. That's funny on the mod. I'm going to look up how he looks in SF5 been a while. I did find it funny how Capcom has their own Fujin like character now that arab dude with wind powers? Forget the name. If I still played SF5 I'd use him.
 
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JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
That's is entirely subjective, i'm having a blast and it's my most played game this year.
Actually not. Tekken 7 went through the exact same shit. Their console version was a vanilla mess with nothing but internet issues, horrible lag, etc etc. But once it got better, the community became more happy with their game and look where its at now. And STILL growing. People LOVE Tekken 7 because their devs listen to its community. It took a long time, but they finally got it right!

MK11 has the potential to make it up there too especially since the devs plan on supporting the game for years. BUT they have to do their part in communicating better with its community and fix these issues.
 

xenogorgeous

Fuck yeah !!
Premium Supporter
Actually not. Tekken 7 went through the exact same shit. Their console version was a vanilla mess with nothing but internet issues, horrible lag, etc etc. But once it got better, the community became more happy with their game and look where its at now. And STILL growing. People LOVE Tekken 7 because their devs listen to its community. It took a long time, but they finally got it right!

MK11 has the potential to make it up there too especially since the devs plan on supporting the game for years. BUT they have to do their part in communicating better with its community and fix these issues.
yeah, man, MK11 is like a very hot bombshell girl , that you enjoy to fuck all day long, but you are aware that she has a lot of defects inside, being such an annoying bitch that fills you up with a lot of complaining and silly talks .... but you keeping going because you enjoy anyway, hehe :p

so, MK11 is good, is fun, but we know the problems its has , and we complain, we bark loud, and we cry out, but we keep playing, because we still like the game for others aspects , hehe ;)
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
yeah, man, MK11 is like a very hot bombshell girl , that you enjoy to fuck all day long, but you are aware that she has a lot of defects inside, being such an annoying bitch that fills you up with a lot of complaining and silly talks .... but you keeping going because you enjoy anyway, hehe :p

so, MK11 is good, is fun, but we know the problems its has , and we complain, we bark loud, and we cry out, but we keep playing, because we still like the game for others aspects , hehe ;)
That was the worst fucking analogy Uncle JBeezY has ever heard! LMAO!!!!

But it was funny as shit so ill let it rock ;)

And true. People stick with it in hopes of it getting better, but this community has a very SHORT attention span but again....we blame NRS for the way they release games after 2 years. We're trained to want content fast or else we get bored easily. Why do you think soooo many people feel like this game has been out for a long time already when its only been out for 2 months?
 

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
Premium Supporter
yeah, man, MK11 is like a very hot bombshell girl , that you enjoy to fuck all day long, but you are aware that she has a lot of defects inside, being such an annoying bitch that fills you up with a lot of complaining and silly talks .... but you keeping going because you enjoy anyway, hehe :p

so, MK11 is good, is fun, but we know the problems its has , and we complain, we bark loud, and we cry out, but we keep playing, because we still like the game for others aspects , hehe ;)
 

Slymind

Noob
Actually not. Tekken 7 went through the exact same shit. Their console version was a vanilla mess with nothing but internet issues, horrible lag, etc etc. But once it got better, the community became more happy with their game and look where its at now. And STILL growing. People LOVE Tekken 7 because their devs listen to its community. It took a long time, but they finally got it right!

MK11 has the potential to make it up there too especially since the devs plan on supporting the game for years. BUT they have to do their part in communicating better with its community and fix these issues.
How having fun with the game is not subjective, seriously? me and even other people here already said they are having a good time, that's that, you cannot speak for everyone on that matter. Also, my online matches are absolutely great.

The game can improve, that's obvious, but im surely having a great time with the game as is, and my main is Kotal Kahn.
 
The variation system needs to go.

Its like Nrs builds a fully fleshed out character, than takes a knife and cuts it into 5.
"Oh look how creative you can be and how you have so many choices by combining 3 abilities".
But in practice you just end up with a shallow character that no matter what always seems incomplete.

Its the illusion of choice.
 
I just watched Sajam's video about EVO entrants. He talked a lot about UNIST and how the hype generated by the game's own community made it grow immensely. He also talked about how important it is in general for a community to enjoy the game they're playing.
The exact opposite is gonna happen to MK11. We, as a community, are gonna kill this game if we keep going the way we're going. I don't wanna see anyone blaming NRS when this game dies, because it'll be our fault.
Outside of idiotic fanboys, I see no one from outside the NRS community talking shit about MK11. It's more of the opposite actually. The ones talking shit about this game and driving people away are ourselves.
Complains are completely legit. At this point most people is just asking for bug fixes that absolutely affect gameplay and character strength. That should have been a week one patch.

This is supposed to be the nrs game with most support ever, 4 months and still nothing.