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Why are NRS games looked down upon by high level FGC players?

Skedar70

Noob
I don’t know what Street Fighter games you’ve been playing, but there are no D+1/3/4’s or string combos except maybe a two hit target combo, and most of the time you can’t combo a super or ultra combo into those.
I don't know the notations in sf. I've been playing sf 4. d1 equals down and your fastest punch, d3 is down and your fastest kick, d4 is down and your medium kick. You can do string combos on hit in sf and you can definitely combo into supers. You can also combo into ultras by focus canceling.
 

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
I don't think other communities look down at us as much as we look down and tear our own community apart at times.

Yes there are glaring issues that other players of other games don't like about ours. Tons actually but so do we. It's all preference.

As NRS or even Midway/Williams going back 20+ years, come far in how they make or balance games? Sure. Of course. Even though no one ever talks about the things MK & now Injustice has brought to many communities.

The way we present and go further and beyond for our fan base and continue to innovate and bring fresh ideas that other developers in other games borrow from us.

Tons & tons more. Damn near 26-27 years worth of work and entertainment every community has looked forward to to what sort of new MK title will bring form those dudes at NRS.

Again. I do not think that it's other players or communities that as a whole look down at us.

It's mostly us. Entitled much? Yes for sure!!!! We are guilty of looking down at what we have. Nobody can say different.

So be thankful because when I was playing MKII in the summer of 93 I never thought in my wildest dreams that in 2019. 2019!!!! We would be playing a MK title.

That all communities enjoy.
 

crimson-neoviper

Injustice for All
OP - Many of these franchises have had their share of stinkers as well outside of MK/Injustice. My guess would be that they would go with the games they are best at. Mortal Kombat though is very very much known to everyone even if you don't play fighting games. BUT, I do enjoy fighting games so I do love many. But, MK takes the cake IMO.
 
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Second Saint

A man with too many names.
Are there any other 2d FG with a block button tho?
Everyone else doing things differently doesn't mean our way is worse. People can have their own opinions, but there's no objective fact here, so all you have to decide is a list of entirely subjective pros and cons. That's why attacking the series over the block button is a weak argument.

It's like if I tried attacking nearly every other fighting game in existence for having back to block because I don't like crossups, how abusable buttons with back inputs can be, or the fact that I have to give up space to block. Everyone who enjoys these things is clearly in the wrong and I, with my superior ability to decide what is good, am correct in my decision to play a game without these mechanics.

That's exactly what people sound like when they try to dismiss MK or even Soul Calibur as a whole because there's a block button. Ludicrous.
 

stokedAF

casual kahnage
Everyone else doing things differently doesn't mean our way is worse. People can have their own opinions, but there's no objective fact here, so all you have to decide is a list of entirely subjective pros and cons. That's why attacking the series over the block button is a weak argument.

It's like if I tried attacking nearly every other fighting game in existence for having back to block because I don't like crossups, how abusable buttons with back inputs can be, or the fact that I have to give up space to block. Everyone who enjoys these things is clearly in the wrong and I, with my superior ability to decide what is good, am correct in my decision to play a game without these mechanics.

That's exactly what people sound like when they try to dismiss MK or even Soul Calibur as a whole because there's a block button. Ludicrous.
I don’t think it’s worse, I only play mk and like 6 hours of samsho where I kept holding r2 on instinct lol. I was asking because I don’t know about a lot of fighters. I agree with “attacking” but I could see some people not playing mk because of a block button.
 

Second Saint

A man with too many names.
I don’t think it’s worse, I only play mk and like 6 hours of samsho where I kept holding r2 on instinct lol. I was asking because I don’t know about a lot of fighters. I agree with “attacking” but I could see some people not playing mk because of a block button.
Yeah, it can be tough going between the two styles. And I didn't think that you thought it was worse, I was just explaining why I also thought it was a weak argument.

I don't have any problems with people being put off by the block button, but when someone tells everyone that will listen that X game is terrible and awful because of a button, which you use to block and is not making you walk backwards simultaneously, and that everyone who doesn't share that opinion is also bad, is where I begin to take exception. It's not something you've done, but something I've seen many, many times over the years.

Honestly, I don't know of any other games with a block button other than MK and SC.
 
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stokedAF

casual kahnage
Yeah, it can be tough going between the two styles. And I didn't think that you thought it was worse, I was just explaining why I also thought it was a weak argument.

And I don't have any problems with people being put off by the block button, but when someone tells everyone that will listen that X game is terrible and awful because of a button, which you use to block and is not making you walk backwards simultaneously, and that everyone who doesn't share that opinion is also bad, is where I begin to take exception. It's not something you've done, but something I've seen many, many times over the years.

And honestly, I don't know of any other games with a block button other than MK and SC.
Oh ok, makes sense to me.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
For the dude who said NRS are bad at art style? You kidding me? MK's art in many ways are light years better than the Japanese fighters, that all look alike with enough flashing to give you a freaking migraine or seizure lol. The art style is amazing for NRS and even before NRS, Midway's characters had awesome outfits, developed and a solid story so I call BS on that "bad art style" nonsense.


Are there any other 2d FG with a block button tho?
Smash has a block button, it's a bubble shield that decays but it's definitely a block button. I was going to say VF and I think SC, but they're 3D. I know it's a preference but I personally prefer a block button, I had back to block because then you have to deal with cross up shenanigans.
 
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stokedAF

casual kahnage
Smash has a block button, it's a bubble shield that decays but it's definitely a block button. I was going to say VF and I think SC, but they're 3D. I know it's a preference but I personally prefer a block button, I had back to block because then you have to deal with cross up shenanigans.
I’m right there with you bruh. Oh yeah I forgot about smash. But then you have people that say that isn’t even a fighting game lmao. I dunno never played it.
 

xenogorgeous

Fuck yeah !!
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Smash has a block button, it's a bubble shield that decays but it's definitely a block button. I was going to say VF and I think SC, but they're 3D. I know it's a preference but I personally prefer a block button, I had back to block because then you have to deal with cross up shenanigans.
fuck yeah ! block button is way better, for defense against cross up , to buffer commands while holding defense, and to do reversal moves more precisely after timing the defense release .... cannot understand why someone could be against this, seriously .... :eek:
 

Stevie Steelz

I break muthaf****s...
I don't know the notations in sf. I've been playing sf 4. d1 equals down and your fastest punch, d3 is down and your fastest kick, d4 is down and your medium kick. You can do string combos on hit in sf and you can definitely combo into supers. You can also combo into ultras by focus canceling.
Yes you can, but the biggest difference is the execution to do so. It takes much practice to do so, and not all moves/target combos can be focus cancelled.
 

Cashual

PSN: Cansuela
Because ppl think NRS fighters are poorly balanced, janky, dont cater to more traditional fighting game dynamics, and focus more on stylized gore and spectacle rather than a grounded competitive fighting game.

You have to look at NRS' pedigree. Their early games are NOTORIOUSLY bad in terms of artstyle. Balance, characters, etc.

They didnt start actually getting their shit together until MK9 and even those games were janky and only had niche NRS appeal once all the big shot capcom players left the scene to go back to their main games.

You can CLEARLY see that NRS was trying to rebrand MK11 as a more 'measured, footsie based, traditional' fighter while still trying to cater to their long time fans.

I dont think its working out well. The game seems like a mess design wise. They tried to please both sides and neither is fully happy.
Bro, MK9 is NRS first game.
 
NRS is a company that just wants to make money. They make more money releasing a new game every 2 years then they do allocating resources into balance patches. i like MK but i get it. I am thinking of jumping ship to SF or tekken for this reason.

Mk9 was a great game and one balance patch to chill out kenshi and kabals bullshit would have gone a LONG way.

After NRS gets all their money from char dlc i guarantee they will abandon this game for work on Inj3
 
I don’t think you understand that ‘fixing’ certain things is not as simple as just clicking a button and releasing a patch the next week. Some things are buried fairly deep in the engine and can’t be directly changed by a designer-level dev without having side effects that then break other things, or have other anomalies due to the way that things are tied together.

Some fixes just take months, need core engine work, etc. That’s how game development is.

People imagining somebody just clicking their mouse and all of a sudden hitboxes are perfect need to educate themselves about AAA game programming.
The hitboxes against females were never fixed in MKX since day 1. Now we have MK11 and the same problem is there. How long do we have to wait?
 

xenogorgeous

Fuck yeah !!
Premium Supporter
NRS is a company that just wants to make money. They make more money releasing a new game every 2 years then they do allocating resources into balance patches. i like MK but i get it. I am thinking of jumping ship to SF or tekken for this reason.

Mk9 was a great game and one balance patch to chill out kenshi and kabals bullshit would have gone a LONG way.

After NRS gets all their money from char dlc i guarantee they will abandon this game for work on Inj3
yep, I share this vision too .... "once the money is done, the support is gone", seems more plausible to believe in, in a very cold blood realistic scenario, hehe :cool:
 

OnlineSkunk

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Premium Supporter
I'm pretty new to the whole FGC tournament scene and watching live tournaments. As ive started to watch more stuff online over the past couple of years I have noticed a lot of SF players and high level players of other games tend to look down on NRS games as novelty instead of legit respectable games.

Why does a player that is high level at NRS games not garner the same respect as someone like Daigo or Justin Won for being the same level at Street Fighter?
For the same reason my parents don't like video games.
 
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CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
The hitboxes against females were never fixed in MKX since day 1. Now we have MK11 and the same problem is there. How long do we have to wait?
They fixed numerous other concerns people had with MKX. Not every problem can be fixed instantly, all at the same time.

Please don’t forget that while people were blowing NRS up for supposedly not caring about the netcode, they were quietly developing an entirely new one in the background and prepping for a beta test announcement. Some things just take time.
 
They fixed numerous other concerns people had with MKX. Not every problem can be fixed instantly, all at the same time.

Please don’t forget that while people were blowing NRS up for supposedly not caring about the netcode, they were quietly developing an entirely new one in the background and prepping for a beta test announcement. Some things just take time.
Yes, I lost the entire fisticuffs variation, my armored nutpunch, and run cancels. I remember all too well. I'm not blowing up NRS, they came a long way and MK11 is great. I just want my mid projectiles to hit Jade so she doesn't uppercut me from midscreen.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
fuck yeah ! block button is way better, for defense against cross up , to buffer commands while holding defense, and to do reversal moves more precisely after timing the defense release .... cannot understand why someone could be against this, seriously .... :eek:
Yep! I think those who have trouble penetrating or doing pressure hate block buttons because I feel the same way you do.

I’m right there with you bruh. Oh yeah I forgot about smash. But then you have people that say that isn’t even a fighting game lmao. I dunno never played it.
Yeah I mean it's obviously a FG, I think those people are ignorant or simply Nintendo haters because they're Nin characters "oh must be a party game" lol to quote Spock "That is simply not Logical" Speaking of which, I hear stories that Smash Community is very toxic at times, I won't confirm this as I have no idea just what others on here have told me. I think all FGC probably have disagreements though, I remember people talking about Melee vs Brawl and now Melee vs Ultimate as the "best" Smash game etc. I just think developers care about majority of consumers, you'll always get a few sour apples who are never satisfied with any game for any franchises I've noticed. Being a gamer since the 80's I've noticed this trend with even the biggest games like Zelda to Halo and all in between. FG are no different.
 
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stokedAF

casual kahnage
Yeah I mean it's obviously a FG, I think those people are ignorant or simply Nintendo haters because they're Nin characters "oh must be a party game" lol to quote Spock "That is simply not Logical" Speaking of which, I hear stories that Smash Community is very toxic at times, I won't confirm this as I have no idea just what others on here have told me. I think all FGC probably have disagreements though, I remember people talking about Melee vs Brawl and now Melee vs Ultimate as the "best" Smash game etc. I just think developers care about majority of consumers, you'll always get a few sour apples who are never satisfied with any game for any franchises I've noticed. Being a gamer since the 80's I've noticed this trend with even the biggest games like Zelda to Halo and all in between. FG are no different.
Yeah I’ve seen some of the stories and a lot of that stuff seems tongue in cheek but I dunno either lol. Still, a community keeping a GameCube game alive all this time is pretty impressive to me. And to be at evo and stuff like that too. I give them props for that.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
Yeah I’ve seen some of the stories and a lot of that stuff seems tongue in cheek but I dunno either lol. Still, a community keeping a GameCube game alive all this time is pretty impressive to me. And to be at evo and stuff like that too. I give them props for that.
That's true, I feel like the UMK3 guys tried their best to do the same for many years it just didn't click with the 3D era guys and most who play MK X, MK 11 weren't even born when that game came out I bet lol. But yeah I'll always be down to play the older MK's too.
 

stokedAF

casual kahnage
That's true, I feel like the UMK3 guys tried their best to do the same for many years it just didn't click with the 3D era guys and most who play MK X, MK 11 weren't even born when that game came out I bet lol. But yeah I'll always be down to play the older MK's too.
No doubt me too. I even bought that 1up arcade mk2 thing. I have always loved mk but when it got into the unique frame data and all of that shit I got lost. Still loved mk9 and X but I couldn’t go online and have fun.
But hey, that’s why I’m here this time around.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
No doubt me too. I even bought that 1up arcade mk2 thing. I have always loved mk but when it got into the unique frame data and all of that shit I got lost. Still loved mk9 and X but I couldn’t go online and have fun.
But hey, that’s why I’m here this time around.
Nice, I want that but sadly there's no Walmart's near me the ones that had it were all sold out in NJ, but a friend of mine linked me to ways to get it online so I'll have to save for sure, they also announced they're doing TMNT 89 and TMNT Turtles In Time which I soo want too! Yeah I hear ya man lol, I don't really care much about the frame date numbers, specs etc I just focus on what's safe, what's not and that's that lol. I keep it simple yet make sure I understand. Like baseball, some people study the pitches, the match ups, stats, what the pitcher's known for, the hitter etc me? I'm just like "go up there, see the ball, hit the ball" lol