Question - A-List Who is still playing Cage?

[Zionix]

OmG you forgot my Tremor Jeezzz !!

anyway, about Johnny Cage !

he's still very solid, I played a lot with asodimazze & mantis since 2015 ! A-list is definitely tournament viable and got the juice. You just have to put in work !!

it's remind me when EVERYBODY said that tremor was trash and "not viable" in the MKXL Patch and I just proved that people are wrong by putting a lot of work in the lab/match up etc with the 3 variations ( but mostly Aftershock & Crystalline ) !

I think people should spend more time practicing than crying on forums ....

Rza out, Peace.

Tremor has far more tools to work with than cage.

In fact tremor and HQT are far more A-list than cage is. The two players you mention are top competitors (like yourself) that would do work with a broom handle. To make cage work you need exceptional defense and in-depth knowledge of you opponents options and the spacing required to counter them.

There is no insert random low/overhead in a string or in a block-string like last patch or like most good characters now. The opponent just has to make a bad mistake on their timings or block incorrectly.

The crying is justified, considering he went from being arguable top 5 to one of the most nerfed characters in the latest patch.

They also took away a lot of his creativity which was fun. My opinion though.

 

[Wigy]

His lack of fast moves and lack of staggerable/hitconfirmable mid was compensated with his RC and clone + frames. Thats now gone for the most part and we're left with very little pressure wise.

They could make 2 a mid and 11 frames i dont know just something, anything.

I dont mind bottom/mid tier. I play bo now cage is ass, says something but hes just so clunky and pointless compared to liu kang.

 

[Zionix]

I agree with the d3 thing but unfortunately half the cast does, u tried playing footsies with kano, couldnt get a poke in edgeways vs jupe.

Played cassies/laos/kano's that poke bait into combos, its a thing. You have a rushdown character that gets punished for using his only fast poke, makes no sense.

Again you're trying to justify having a brain-dead poke and listing the other brain-dead pokes in the game if which any decent game designer had the game for 5 minutes they would re-adjust.

Kano's doing D3 D3 on block isn't 'sick play' it just NRS allowing the player to get away with murder. Same with any other character. Add Kano's D4 into the mix which should never be attached to such a heavy damage character and you will steal games with it.

 

[Wigy]

Again your trying to justify having a brain-dead poke and listing the other brain-dead pokes in the game if which any decent game designer had the game for 5 minutes they would re-adjust.

Kano's doing D3 D3 on block isn't 'sick play' it just NRS allowing the player to get away with murder. Same with any other character. Add Kano's D4 into the mix which should never be attached to such a heavy damage character and you will steal games with it.

That stupid db1 shit as well.

If you actually react well and try poke you just get hit with that and he gets free pressure.

Used to ex NP there.... But yeah, thats not around anymore.

I was just saying with the d3 because at this point theres less chance of 10 different characters being nerfed than cage getting his d3 less ass

 

[Zionix]

That stupid db1 shit as well.

If you actually react well and try poke you just get hit with that and he gets free pressure.

Used to ex NP there.... But yeah, thats not around anymore.

I was just saying with the d3 because at this point theres less chance of 10 different characters being nerfed than cage getting his d3 less ass

When I look at Cutt-throat and his moves (safe specials, overhead low starters, good backdash, F4 is safe, fast pokes with good pushbacks and a safe special to cancel them into) its hard not to want to pick him up.

Only Jupe is doing work though, so it must be tough even with those moves.

 

[Wigy]

When I look at Cutt-throat and his moves (safe specials, overhead low starters, good backdash, F4 is safe, fast pokes with good pushbacks and a safe special to cancel them into) its hard not to want to pick him up.

Only Jupe is doing work though, so it must be tough even with those moves.

I'm sure he has hard work in other areas, but his footsies can be totally mindless for some matchups.

Bo has his only mid low profiled by both his pokes and his pokes have 0 range. Takeda's d1 gets low profiled too i believe, not sure.

I remember jupe saying you have like 9 frames to interrupt the db1 after d4.

Basically means u need to commit to hammering a poke, for cage that could be fullpunish with ex bf3

Not to mention b3 and f4 low crushes

 

[Zionix]

I'm sure he has hard work in other areas, but his footsies can be totally mindless for some matchups.

Bo has his only mid low profiled by both his pokes and his pokes have 0 range. Takeda's d1 gets low profiled too i believe, not sure.

I remember jupe saying you have like 9 frames to interrupt the db1 after d4.

Basically means u need to commit to hammering a poke, for cage that could be fullpunish with ex bf3

super secret tech, you can d2 d4db1, it stops them from doing it real fast Think cages is 9 frames so that trades. I found trading standing 1 when blade slice hits way harder was a losing trade for cage.

 

[Wigy]

super secret tech, you can d2 d4db1, it stops them from doing it real fast Think cages is 9 frames so that trades

The saltiest of tech.

Can probably do a crossover and catch him, not tested but db1 has that weird wonky backward hitbox.. Might not be like dragon roar

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

So in summary 97.5% of cage players have dropped cage. The majority of what people are saying are his handicaps and how other characters abuse his lack of options in a lot of situations.

So to answer the question: who is still playing cage:- less than 15 people

gg cage it was fun while it lasted

 

[shura30]

it's remind me when EVERYBODY said that tremor was trash and "not viable" in the MKXL Patch and I just proved that people are wrong by putting a lot of work in the lab/match up etc with the 3 variations ( but mostly Aftershock & Crystalline ) !

bro, don't even start comparing the two characters..tremor has twice the number of specials and the setups
the worst error paulo has done is giving him a 14 frames mid that can only be armored out off the db2 armor b1 corner setups along with db1 cancels and flash parry

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

bro, don't even start comparing the two characters..tremor has twice the number of specials and the setups
the worst error paulo has done is giving him a 14 frames mid that can only be armored out off the db2 armor b1 corner setups along with db1 cancels and flash parry

He's also the only other character (technically) with a 1 bar armour launcher cuz he can cancel it

 

[YUZU_RZA]

bro, don't even start comparing the two characters..tremor has twice the number of specials and the setups
the worst error paulo has done is giving him a 14 frames mid that can only be armored out off the db2 armor b1 corner setups along with db1 cancels and flash parry

I was talking about MKXL patch bro. Why are u talking me about the 14f mid ? :/

everyone agreed that aftershock was Mid Tier in MKXL Patch and it's true meanwhile Johnny cage was top 6 in the previous meta.

Did u see me complained on any forums ?

I really think that JC is still viable & Mantis proved it with his top 3 at AFK XL also on many online set with everybody

 

[Gofer_MK]

It is known that SD has armor on EXRising Shadow, which is a mid, right? Just checking.

 

[Wigy]

I think if anybody took jc to the level of foxy, sonic, scar etc they would have a lot of issues.

 

[Zionix]

I was talking about MKXL patch bro. Why are u talking me about the 14f mid ? :/

everyone agreed that aftershock was Mid Tier in MKXL Patch and it's true meanwhile Johnny cage was top 6 in the previous meta.

Did u see me complained on any forums ?

I really think that JC is still viable & Mantis proved it with his top 3 at AFK XL also on many online set with everybody

top 6 with no top 6 placements outside EU

Which according to NA is free apart from f0xy.

Nobody in this thread has said JC isn't viable, but if your looking to win tournaments your time is better invested elsewhere and you could probably say the same for tremor.

 

[IrishMantis]

It is known that SD has armor on EXRising Shadow, which is a mid, right? Just checking.

that doesn't have armour at all

only his ex msk which is ass, fuck the armor and make it launch again

 

[Gofer_MK]

that doesn't have armour at all

only his ex msk which is ass, fuck the armor and make it launch again

Nahh dude it has a hit of armor, Shadow Dropkick has armor. Or am I fuking stoned?

 

[IrishMantis]

Nahh dude it has a hit of armor, Shadow Dropkick has armor. Or am I fuking stoned?

You know the answer

 

[Gofer_MK]

You know the answer

Ok, seriously, can you test it out now? I would post a video but I do not know how... I am backwards with technology...

 

[Wigy]

that doesn't have armour at all

only his ex msk which is ass, fuck the armor and make it launch again

You realise that would mean when he has his mimic he doesnt have any armour lol.

 

[Wigy]

Ok, seriously, can you test it out now?

826% does not have armour.

 

[Gofer_MK]

826% does not have armour.

Can you test it out now?

 

[Zionix]

Can you test it out now?

If you don't have mimics active. It has armor, I think this is well known.

This doesn't change much, although it is useful.

 

[Wigy]

Nahh dude it has a hit of armor, Shadow Dropkick has armor. Or am I fuking stoned?

Oh right without mimics on. Yes.

Its also unsafe as fuck.

 

[llabslb]

Let's stop complaining. Games not going to get patched so we can't hope for another patch like spoilt brats. Also I found an OS with A-List but its not exactly what I was looking for. Can anyone look into it?