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Which comic character has the best rogues gallery?

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
why is the red hood wearing a spiderman mask :joker: ?
Because he wants to be in a series where he is written well... I do love the giant ock tentackle there instead of him just being on the cover, and where the fuck is JJ on there, he is spiderman's greatest enemy imo
 

dionysos

Noob
For me its a tie between Batman and Spiderman.


Peter Parker's cool too, but I like Bruce Wayne better. As for their villains. I guess Spidey has more down-to-earth villains where the Bat's are 'batshit' (lame pun not intended) insane. I've only read some DC story arcs though, and very little of the Avengers from Marvel. Comic books stores aren't common in Belgium and the closest that specialises in the American superhero genre is 70 km away from here.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
can some spider fan tell me, what's the appeal of guys like sandman, rhino, hydro-man, shocker, scorpion, etc?
Sandman and Shocker are interesting to me due to their back story, also sandman is probably spiderman's most dangerous villain and spiderman pretty much has to rely on outsmarting him, shocker I always loved his powerset and costume, I know rhino has gotten good character development but im not very familiar with him, and tbh I never cared much for hydro-man
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
Superman has good villains, what do you mean superman's down fall lol
Superman is TOO good.. He is Superman.. His biggest dilemmas usually revolve around the man vs nature (can Superman save the whole state of California from a massive earthquake that sinks the state?!) issue more so than man vs man (very little man can stand toe to toe with him).. Now you have to go to the otherworldly creatures the Darkseids, the Zods, the Doomsdays.. Now you have Superhuman vs Superhuman battling til the end of time with no real winner (you may as well be reading/watching Transformers) this causes average people to lose interest because it becomes too sci-fi and they stop relating and relation (like it or not) is a huge hook for successful titles.
 

dionysos

Noob
What's your opinion on the JLA/Avengers crossover? Does it mix well, DC and Marvel? I'm very sceptical at what they did, but haven't read those yet?
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
Superman is TOO good.. He is Superman.. His biggest dilemmas usually revolve around the man vs nature (can Superman save the whole state of California from a massive earthquake that sinks the state?!) issue more so than man vs man (very little man can stand toe to toe with him).. Now you have to go to the otherworldly creatures the Darkseids, the Zods, the Doomsdays.. Now you have Superhuman vs Superhuman battling til the end of time with no real winner (you may as well be reading/watching Transformers) this causes average people to lose interest because it becomes too sci-fi and they stop relating and relation (like it or not) is a huge hook for successful titles.
But that can be said about any superpowered hero, and Superman is more then a god level boy scout
 

Compbros

Man of Tomorrow
I believe it absolutely would.
You have go break down the dynamic (we will choose Batman for the example) and in the end they go hand in hand.. Batman is a human who uses his head to defeat "super" powers and an insane list of bad guys/situations. Many quicker, stronger, has some type of advantage over him. People can relate to this, making him popular (give him the added bells and whistles of a sleek and favorable costume, an arsenal of fun gadgets, and excellent martial arts prowess) people want to see more and more of him... Now a character with all the above cant sustain alone, he needs drama, he needs enemies (Superman's downfall)..as you had mentioned, his top rogues are only worth it and arguably number 4-5, but those 4-5 are SO great and interact with Batman SO well that it just boosts the secondary rogues ad they compliment one another, in turn making them more formidable. (Not to mention his 4-5 top rogues are better than MANY characters entire rogues gallery)

Now add together ALL the above and you get an equation that makes people want more and more, which propels Batman into the limelight and mass media outlet. In turn bringing in more fans and visibility. Batman did not luck out.. He has all the pieces to be where he is, his rogues have a big part to play in this success.


Heroes usually have someone of equal or greater power, they ALL have people quicker, stronger, and have some advantage over them. Batman is not a special exception, this happens for everyone. Just because he has no powers and is winning over people with powers doesn't make it any more or less impressive than Aquaman taking down literal Gods.


Superman was the most popular hero for decades even with "no relateability", Spider-man is relatable because Peter Parker is an "every man", Green Arrow and Question are relatable but not popular. Just having no powers or having a bunch of powers isn't what dictates popularity, it's how interesting the character is to the person. Wolverine is insanely popular and he's basically an immortal that no one can relate to.

Superman's Downfall is he has no villains? Really? Like....I don't even know how to respond to this. Lex, Brainiac, Parasite, Doomsday, like, it goes on. Supes has villains even if people in the mainstream doesn't know them.

"SO great"? Name them. I give you Joker and Scarecrow. Possibly Two-Face. Who else? BTW, no one beyond Joker and Scarecrow should be in people's top 10 villains because Batman's villains are not great.


Any villain worth their salt has great interaction with their hero and there are lesser villains/heroes with better interaction than Batman and his rogues.


Formidable? ANYONE can be formidable with the right plan.


Batman has had SEVERAL chances to gain popular attention whereas others haven't. Green Arrow is getting a shot and people are loving it, all people need are shots in mainstream and it can blossom into something great. Batman is about to get his, like, 10th cartoon before Flash gets his, what, 1st? They're not even giving others a shot before Batman. Green Lantern is consistently around the top 20 in comic sales but he's getting nothing. Justice League is consistently top 10 but they're getting no new media beyond a movie 5 years from now.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
What's your opinion on the JLA/Avengers crossover? Does it mix well, DC and Marvel? I'm very sceptical at what they did, but haven't read those yet?
Isnt that where somehow wolverine fought and beat lobo... lol
Or that batman beat captain america... lol
 

dionysos

Noob
Isnt that where somehow wolverine fought and beat lobo... lol
Or that batman beat captain america... lol

Reason I'm mentioning this is because I've just started reading up on the Avengers and I choose #500 (Disassembled) as a starting point. It appears Jack of Hearts had died before, and it also appears to have happened during that DC/Marvel crossover. Not a fan of that to be honest.

EDIT: I meant Jack of Hearts of course, Ant-Man dies in #500. :p
EDIT2: He apparently didn't. He commited suicide within the Marvel universe without that cross-over mumbo jumbo. Whatever. Good.
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
can some spider fan tell me, what's the appeal of guys like sandman, rhino, hydro-man, shocker, scorpion, etc?
It is not the character themselves as a bad guy.. They just happen to be well written with care and have incredibly fleshed out back stories that more often than not tie into Spider-man/Peter Parker prior to them becoming bad.. Thus causing lasting power, dilemma, tension and memorable encounters.
 

Compbros

Man of Tomorrow
Superman is TOO good.. He is Superman.. His biggest dilemmas usually revolve around the man vs nature (can Superman save the whole state of California from a massive earthquake that sinks the state?!) issue more so than man vs man (very little man can stand toe to toe with him).. Now you have to go to the otherworldly creatures the Darkseids, the Zods, the Doomsdays.. Now you have Superhuman vs Superhuman battling til the end of time with no real winner (you may as well be reading/watching Transformers) this causes average people to lose interest because it becomes too sci-fi and they stop relating and relation (like it or not) is a huge hook for successful titles.

Lex goes toe to toe with him all the time and he is just a human. "Batman is Human vs. (super)Human til the end of time with no real winner", what are you trying to say here? Avengers is the most successful Superhero movie ever and it's nothing but Sci-Fi crap. Relating or Relation matters for titles to be successful? Guardians of the Galaxy was the best selling comic of March. Thanos Rising was the second best selling comic of April. It's how much you like the character no matter if they're "relatable" or not.
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
1) Lex goes toe to toe with him all the time and he is just a human. "Batman is Human vs. (super)Human til the end of time with no real winner", what are you trying to say here?
2) Avengers is the most successful Superhero movie ever and it's nothing but Sci-Fi crap.
3) Relating or Relation matters for titles to be successful? Guardians of the Galaxy was the best selling comic of March. Thanos Rising was the second best selling comic of April.
4) It's how much you like the character no matter if they're "relatable" or not.
1) same instance as with Batman when he battles the like if Killer Croc or Superman himself.. Human vs Super.. Where Lex has to use his brain/gadgets to beat/escape/draw even with Superman

2) sure Avengers has sci-fi elements to it..
It also has some of Marvels top heroes
Hulk, Ironman, Cap.. (AFTER success from all their individual films).. All rolled into one.
3) your selling points for GoG and Thanos = relativity.. GoG has a LOT of hype around it due to movie deal/toys/Marvel Now advertising.. Thanos was teased in possibly the MOST successful comic movie of all times and was revealed as the villain of the anticipated sequel.. To boot Marvel Now pushing with advertising.. And there you go. Did Marvel vs Capcom or Marvel SuperHeroes make Thanos popular cross media? Nope.. Thanks Mr. Stark and Steve Rogers!!
4) at the end of the day it all comes down to how you feel about your favorites.. I agree.. However the ability for a fan/reader to relate with a character only solidifies the relationship and opens a larger window or more "potential/future" fans to enter.
 

CCVengeance

The one guy hoping for Kai
So who do you guys think is the main X-man villain? (not counting magneto)
As of right now it's Apocalypse.It's not even the original one either,just a bunch of contingency plans that keep fucking with EVERYONE.His clone,Genesis,Archangel and now the Twins.
 

Compbros

Man of Tomorrow
1) same instance as with Batman when he battles the like if Killer Croc or Superman himself.. Human vs Super.. Where Lex has to use his brain/gadgets to beat/escape/draw even with Superman

2) sure Avengers has sci-fi elements to it..
It also has some of Marvels top heroes
Hulk, Ironman, Cap.. (AFTER success from all their individual films).. All rolled into one.
3) your selling points for GoG and Thanos = relativity.. GoG has a LOT of hype around it due to movie deal/toys/Marvel Now advertising.. Thanos was teased in possibly the MOST successful comic movie of all times and was revealed as the villain of the anticipated sequel.. To boot Marvel Now pushing with advertising.. And there you go. Did Marvel vs Capcom or Marvel SuperHeroes make Thanos popular cross media? Nope.. Thanks Mr. Stark and Steve Rogers!!
4) at the end of the day it all comes down to how you feel about your favorites.. I agree.. However the ability for a fan/reader to relate with a character only solidifies the relationship and opens a larger window or more "potential/future" fans to enter.

Your point was Superman is more about fighting nature or other worldly beings when his arch enemy is a human.

Sci-fi ELEMENTS? The very premise of the movie is based around a sci-fi cube. It's one giant ass sci-fi epic: Future technology, dimension traveling, aliens, etc....

Jupiter's Legacy was the third best selling comic of April and all it has is "names" attached to it. "Saga" sold more than Deadpool, Batman: TDK, Superman, Action Comics, etc....in April. Relativity and Relateability can help but it comes down to interest in the comic or character than just "I can relate to them" or "they have something coming out that I'm interested in".

Wolverine has sold well for months and you can't relate to him, he's known because of the movies and people got interested because he's "bad-ass". Iron Man was B-tier in the mainstream until the movie and people got interested because he's "cool and funny". Hulk is popular because of his inner turmoil but he's a (practically) unbeatable monster. People get interested for a variety of reasons, relatability is just one of them and might not even be the biggest one.


Edit: People DISLIKE Captain Cold because he "looks stupid" even though he's more relatable than 80 percent of DC. Interest comes from many factors.


Edit 2: What about Bruce Wayne makes people relate to him? He's a billionaire playboy with genius level intellect and verse in several different forms of hand to hand combat and weaponry...Because he can be stabbed? Because he's "human"? Come on now.
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
Your point was Superman is more about fighting nature or other worldly beings when his arch enemy is a human.

Sci-fi ELEMENTS? The very premise of the movie is based around a sci-fi cube. It's one giant ass sci-fi epic: Future technology, dimension traveling, aliens, etc....

Jupiter's Legacy was the third best selling comic of April and all it has is "names" attached to it. "Saga" sold more than Deadpool, Batman: TDK, Superman, Action Comics, etc....in April. Relativity and Relateability can help but it comes down to interest in the comic or character than just "I can relate to them" or "they have something coming out that I'm interested in".

Wolverine has sold well for months and you can't relate to him, he's known because of the movies and people got interested because he's "bad-ass". Iron Man was B-tier in the mainstream until the movie and people got interested because he's "cool and funny". Hulk is popular because of his inner turmoil but he's a (practically) unbeatable monster. People get interested for a variety of reasons, relatability is just one of them and might not even be the biggest one.


Edit: People DISLIKE Captain Cold because he "looks stupid" even though he's more relatable than 80 percent of DC. Interest comes from many factors.


Edit 2: What about Bruce Wayne makes people relate to him? He's a billionaire playboy with genius level intellect and verse in several different forms of hand to hand combat and weaponry...Because he can be stabbed? Because he's "human"? Come on now.
Gg Compbros.. You win .. Your word is gospel.
 

Compbros

Man of Tomorrow
Gg Compbros.. You win .. Your word is gospel.

It's not gospel, it's a debate. You come with a point, I counter that point, you counter that point. There is no "winner", we simply lay out our arguments to see where the other is coming from. We agree or disagree and, if we disagree, we point out why we disagree with it.
 

Mt. Mutombo

Asshole by nature
The problem with the joker for me is he was never scary, he is just some guy dressed like a clown that can be funny every once in a while, but because he is popular he gets blown way out of proportion on his capabilities and loses the sense of feasiblity. Can you honestly say that the joker is a bigger threat to the DC universe then say someone like lex luthor or professor zoom? And no one bring up when Joker became god, that was such stupid bullshit lol
Joker not scary...him breaking into Gotham Police Dept. in Death of the Family should fix that.:cool:

That shit felt straight out of a horror movie.