basically this. dash buff changed EVERYTHING for characters who could (and needed to) keep him away-- Because of how the character works, getting the dash buffs meant you had to fight him up close no matter what, keeping him out was no longer an option. Once he got in, you'd need to know exactly what to do and when or you'd lose out every time, and no one looked into him enough to know what to do.
I disagree not only with your mentioning of Frost but pressing buttons against Bane has little to do with it. His command grab is unblockable (obviously) he destroys wakeups and has a 50/50 and a variety of options to punish players incorrect reads something Killer Frost still can't do yetThe last buff and nerfs to Superman/Batman/Adam/Frostmade him better. IMO you still shouldn't see him in finals of a tournament that Superman/Batman/WW/Frostplayers are in. Just my opinion though. Nobody freak out. A lot of people still have no idea how to fight bane and just try to hit buttons and shit. That's another huge factor of why he places so high.
Oddly enough that's the same reason Doomsday still wins things even though he shouldn't like ever.
What....I disagree not only with your mentioning of Frost but pressing buttons against Bane has little to do with it. His command grab is unblockable (obviously) he destroys wakeups and has a 50/50 and a variety of options to punish players incorrect reads something Killer Frost still can't do yet
Agreed on the nerfs part. But why would you say killer frost is a horrible mu for her? Batman seems about as even as it can get. Superman is a challenge. But not close to unwinnable. Ww is the epitomy of even. And sure some people clearly don't know it. But doesn't change the fact that a wrong guess = insanity. Between armored d1/d2 cancels and amazing footsies I don't see how some of those matchups give him problems. Just my 2 centsThe last buff and nerfs to Superman/Batman/Adam/Frost made him better. IMO you still shouldn't see him in finals of a tournament that Superman/Batman/WW/Frost players are in. Just my opinion though. Nobody freak out. A lot of people still have no idea how to fight bane and just try to hit buttons and shit. That's another huge factor of why he places so high.
Oddly enough that's the same reason Doomsday still wins things even though he shouldn't like ever.
Only charge breaks parrynow he breaks Parry's ... before he couldnt and fighting someone like Bruce Wayne was a like a 10-0 mu
All those characters you listed are 5-5, js.The last buff and nerfs to Superman/Batman/Adam/Frost made him better. IMO you still shouldn't see him in finals of a tournament that Superman/Batman/WW/Frost players are in. Just my opinion though. Nobody freak out. A lot of people still have no idea how to fight bane and just try to hit buttons and shit. That's another huge factor of why he places so high.
Oddly enough that's the same reason Doomsday still wins things even though he shouldn't like ever.
Cool, play Theo in a money match for $500. I'll sponsor him if you put the money up.All those characters you listed are 5-5, js.
Barring supes which is like a debatable 4-6, maybe.
Still think it's supes advantage, but do I think a Bane can win against a superman player at any point? hell yes.All those characters you listed are 5-5, js.
Barring supes which is like a debatable 4-6, maybe.
Yes, yes I know. I'm not good enough yet to be doing MM, but I feel like Supes could be a 5-5 but we don't have the results quite yet.Cool, play Theo in a money match for $500. I'll sponsor him if you put the money up.
To be fair I posted this before you edited in the part about Superman.
Not going to lie I threw KF and WW in there just to throw them in there. I don't think he does great against Aquaman or Hawkgirl either but that's just my opinion because I picked those two characters to counter him.Yes, yes I know. I'm not good enough yet to be doing MM, but I feel like Supes could be a 5-5 but we don't have the results quite yet.
KF, however, I'm convinced is probably a 5-5 since Batgirl is more likely than not a 5-5 and she is much more threatening to us.
Its ok, brad. Your scene has an incomplete meta, it makes sense you don't know what Bane's MU numbers are.Not going to lie I threw KF and WW in there just to throw them in there. I don't think he does great against Aquaman or Hawkgirl either but that's just my opinion because I picked those two characters to counter him.
Bane struggles in MUs where he has to fight characters who can convincingly keep him out (which isn't superman) or characters who can break his armor WITHOUT needing to do it in a 5 second window with a 7 second cooldown. You also need to have half decent wake-ups, also not superman.Trust me I think Bane is one of the stupidest characters in the game, but there are some match ups that he really struggles in.
Oh god. What have you doneIts ok, brad. Your scene has an incomplete meta, it makes sense you don't know what Bane's MU numbers are.
Aqua is 5-5, HG is 5-5 if memory serves, possibly 6-4 but you'd need to check the chart for that one.
>_> You named one character who is debatably bad for Bane (and even then only slightly) and then a bunch of 5-5s >_>
My scene has the most complete meta in terms of top tier representatives. But we're lacking in the weird ass characters. I can see aqua being 5-5 even though he can punish every dash with d1 from the deep for 40% or just d1 trident rush if you don't want to risk the ftd, not to mention he gets awesome damage for anti airing, and Bane has to come to him. The only time I see bane giving Aqua trouble is on his wake up.Its ok, brad. Your scene has an incomplete meta, it makes sense you don't know what Bane's MU numbers are.
Aqua is 5-5, HG is 5-5 if memory serves, possibly 6-4 but you'd need to check the chart for that one.
Odd, last I heard Bane was a "top tier" character. Also last I heard, you guys thought Grundy was 21 spaces above Bane. I forget, are you guys ATL or West Coast?My scene has the most complete meta in terms of top tier representatives. But we're lacking in the weird ass characters. I can see aqua being 5-5 even though he can punish every dash with d1 from the deep for 40% or just d1 trident rush if you don't want to risk the ftd, not to mention he gets awesome damage for anti airing, and Bane has to come to him. The only time I see bane giving Aqua trouble is on his wake up.
Hawkgirl can go through pretty much everything with wing evade 3 and you have to take risks to hit her out of it. Not to mention any time I have bar I get free mace charge pressure because if you're doing something when I mb it I'll go through you, and if I hit you at any point when you're in debuff, specially in the corner, Gandhi help you. Not to mention you can't do double punch into double punch because I can wing evade 2 on reaction and punish you for 30%, even though that's kind of difficult to do, you can't count it out.
I still think he gets bodied by Nightwing as well. You can't really ignore wingdings and his tripple hitting string that I forgot the input for.
Just gonna comment on the mu part. Be patient getting in on aquaman, walk forward. When a FTD comes out block and dash. It's really does feel 5-5.My scene has the most complete meta in terms of top tier representatives. But we're lacking in the weird ass characters. I can see aqua being 5-5 even though he can punish every dash with d1 from the deep for 40% or just d1 trident rush if you don't want to risk the ftd, not to mention he gets awesome damage for anti airing, and Bane has to come to him. The only time I see bane giving Aqua trouble is on his wake up.
Hawkgirl can go through pretty much everything with wing evade 3 and you have to take risks to hit her out of it. Not to mention any time I have bar I get free mace charge pressure because if you're doing something when I mb it I'll go through you, and if I hit you at any point when you're in debuff, specially in the corner, Gandhi help you. Not to mention you can't do double punch into double punch because I can wing evade 2 on reaction and punish you for 30%, even though that's kind of difficult to do, you can't count it out.
I still think he gets bodied by Nightwing as well. You can't really ignore wingdings and his tripple hitting string that I forgot the input for.