But if the reason Kano wins is because he can sit back and throw knives and Cassie has to just deal with it, he's going to have to walk back since it doesn't take long at all for Cassie to get in. Obviously that'll take him straight to the corner unless he comes to play footsies with Cassie, which is what she wants. -6 or -7 doesn't mean the end of my turn when your fastest normal is 8 frames and I have a safe, armoured, launching flip.Muahahahaha
I didn't say he would, that's a given, but she has to hold them a lot more than most other characters. Kano won't eventually walk himself to the corner if he's approaching the matchup right. Any time you're close enough to compete in neutral he's going to make sure you understand he can compete with you, and your furthest normal leads to a string that puts you at at least -6 despite your options anyway. No matter what option you choose from that string you're at disadvantage at that point, B12 is -6, B12~special is unsafe and B124 puts you back to the position you don't want to be at. She's only scary IF she can even get close enough to open you up.
True, but we did play at least one set at yours and although you were approaching it better in neutral you were still losing.
But we haven't played it in a while lol. Cassie doesn't hit harder than Kano, she gets outdamaged by him anywhere but in the corner where she rarely gets to put him. You're looking at her tools in a vacuum rather than in terms of practicality, from playing the matchup more than a few times you should know 99% of the time she doesn't get close enough to put those 50/50s into practice. Kano having better control of the pace of the match is a reason I feel he wins it. Like Saltshaker says, I feel comfortable enough as Cybernetic against Cassie that I would have no problem picking him over anyone for that matchup (as well as some other matchups).
I see it that the Cassie and D'Vorah matchups are pretty similar in how they play out: both characters have a similar contention with Kano in neutral and a similar lack of effective anti-zoning tools. The differences are that D'Vorah actually outdamages me, her 50/50s have more range, she has better pressure and her 50/50s are safe too without needing meter. And I currently see that matchup as 5-5 so you can understand why I feel he beats Cassie lol. Edit: Although now looking at the tools D'Vorah has holy shit...maybe Honeybee's right that he might lose. Oh well hahaha
If kano had that helmet and hair his would be overhead too.
Well he does have a partially metal skull and also that little ponytail goatee..
bitch made
I can't text all that i would like to say since im at work but i can argue this mu all day and i strongly believe that kano beats liu and also could potentially be one of his worst mus. I also could argue that maybe the kano players aren't playing the mu correctly especially if they're letting the liu player outzone them and controlling the space.Muahahahaha
I didn't say he would, that's a given, but she has to hold them a lot more than most other characters. Kano won't eventually walk himself to the corner if he's approaching the matchup right. Any time you're close enough to compete in neutral he's going to make sure you understand he can compete with you, and your furthest normal leads to a string that puts you at at least -6 despite your options anyway. No matter what option you choose from that string you're at disadvantage at that point, B12 is -6, B12~special is unsafe and B124 puts you back to the position you don't want to be at. She's only scary IF she can even get close enough to open you up.
True, but we did play at least one set at yours and although you were approaching it better in neutral you were still losing.
But we haven't played it in a while lol. Cassie doesn't hit harder than Kano, she gets outdamaged by him anywhere but in the corner where she rarely gets to put him. You're looking at her tools in a vacuum rather than in terms of practicality, from playing the matchup more than a few times you should know 99% of the time she doesn't get close enough to put those 50/50s into practice. Kano having better control of the pace of the match is a reason I feel he wins it. Like Saltshaker says, I feel comfortable enough as Cybernetic against Cassie that I would have no problem picking him over anyone for that matchup (as well as some other matchups).
I see it that the Cassie and D'Vorah matchups are pretty similar in how they play out: both characters have a similar contention with Kano in neutral and a similar lack of effective anti-zoning tools. The differences are that D'Vorah actually outdamages me, her 50/50s have more range, she has better pressure and her 50/50s are safe too without needing meter. And I currently see that matchup as 5-5 so you can understand why I feel he beats Cassie lol. Edit: Although now looking at the tools D'Vorah has holy shit...maybe Honeybee's right that he might lose. Oh well hahaha
but what does kano do once kang gets in? Zoning should rarely be a reason why you lose a MU in MKX. Zoning is a temporary limitation and is NOT a deciding factor in MKX. Cyber doesn't really outzone anyone...his knives just make his footsies better.
Liu can pressure every character in the game but that too doesn't determine a mu either. Kano takes away liu"s main focus and that is space control. Also keep in mind that even if the liu player is putting pressure on kano, we (liu player) have to worry about the backdash and his 6fr ball so it isn't like we can just lock him down.
if anyone would win, its kang free...i'm talking from an evolving meta.
Lets agree to disagree
That's why I said be smart about missile placement. Cassie can close in on Kano then at a certain distance missiles coming down might be a threat in neutral. Also if she can spend a bar for ex missiles that'll give her an in. I don't think this MU would be easy but maybe manageable.
you just said you don't lose to kanoOr maybe the kano players should level up (those who think liu wins the mu).
U lost me...
sorry it was knicks who said you don't lose sets to cyber.
So you strongly believe Liu koses to Kano, and that it could be one of his worst MUs, but you have no problems in the MU?? Lol.
My numbers are not based purely on sets bruh lol...
Lets agree to disagree because we are going nowhere lol we have been saying the same things for like 4 posts now.
Gonna play this MU this weekend so I can comment better, I'm not too familiar with it.My numbers are not based purely on sets bruh lol...
If thats the case thn i can say grundy beats nightwing back in injustice
