Rodney Quillz
Kombatant
I didn't say I agreed with all the buffs in this thread, you implied it.
You still haven't explained why he is "good" the way he is by the way. Are you scared of people poking holes in your argument?
I didn't say I agreed with all the buffs in this thread, you implied it.
That buff to the blockstun frames got it nerfed not DJT. It used to be too fast and too quick blockstun that nobody could react lol how is that hype or pressure? It was seriously strong.
Go read mk9 character forums in the games prime and you see theres actual tech and discussion not just a bunch of shit lords crying into each others arms about how they got a nerf. Tym has gone to shit and being over run by whining rather than leveling up, its laughable but really just quite sad.
I agree man, i\m not making these threads but if there i'll comment for just the sake of discussion.
Its as fine as it ever will be until people start playing the game in its current state instead of just campaigning for buffs. Its the mindset that annoys me, nobody has had any meaningful discission about fisticuffs at all apart from why the nerf wasnt justified (it was lol) ir why it needs buffs (which it likely wont get)
This is not a "cry for buffs" thread, it's a thread that points out the obvious fact that fisticuffs needs help and motivates the users to propose changes to help him.
He still has the same pressure he always did, just the opponent now has a fair chance of getting out when they see you stagger instead of having to be near frame perfect reaction time before. When you get a nutpunch you can still go for 11/113/f2/throw as you always could, and now you also have a quick mid string which breaks some characters armoured moves and mainly has the benefit that you cant poke under it. Now you stagger with d4/d3/blocking/running more often rather than just with b12 b12 b121 b12121 b121 etc. for "pressure" (abusing small blockstun/fast startup multi hitting mids isnt pressure btw, it was dumb) Now you actually have to stop pushing buttons and block, or counterpoke with armour if you make a good read, its not just mashing until they get hit and you dial into a nutpunch. His chip buff isnt perfect but it lets you get like 3-5% chip with every b121 rep safely with very very little risk, which you can set up in the corner from your hitconfirmed combos, and then if you want read what your opponent will do to get out or counter then you can act on that. His zoning is the best out of the 3 variations, his forceballs do good damage and chip, cover good ranges and areas on the screen, and you can actually run away on a life lead and trade with people unlike stunts.
I agree half the buff suggestions were retarded but you're kidding yourself if you think b121 is viable now, its a complete gimmick, its -3 and jcs normals are all average speed, if he does b12 and staggers you can poke out on reaction, not to mention you can armour out after a few reps to be full punished.
Yes but Tempest just does that to everybody and it's still going. I agree that Speedbag should have been nerfed but imo they took it slightly too far.
He needs bar to do it and he has no 50/50.
As if bar is an issue for Tempest. Cage does not have a 50/50, but Tempest has better corner carry, footsies, and meterless damage on top of have having a string that is essentially SpeedBag but without any pushback/holes and several of the staggers are plus on block. To my knowledge it also doesn't get fucked by low-hitbox characters.
On that note I find it funny that Hat Trick (which no one is questioning is an underplayed variation) gets buffs and such while there are many characters on the roster which have three underplayed variations. The trend seems to be 'tweak top tiers and ignore/nerf mid tiers', aside from some freak cases like Shinnok and Kitana.
Vanilla b12 was better than 112124 in my opinion
Ye lol i was thinking this, like they seem to just not give two shits about half the cast and mega buff/nerf the rest
Maybe vanilla 112124 lol.
Make this man Vice President of NRS
Its average because it has to be, if its anything like it was before the nerf then its proven to be stupid. You cant expect people to react to something that has tiny blockstun and fast startup, with no stopping/starting animation or cue. Its unreasonable to believe that you dont see how there is a mixup to be had here as well like i have stated already. If your opponents gonna armour out of your gimmick then block and punish his armour, and it stops being a gimmick. If they want to poke them you can block it to get back on the advantage, or counterpoke with armour to start a combo and nutpunch them, where they have to face the same situation again except this time they are probably hesitant to poke you with bars.
I agree, but the ENTIRE variation revolves around it. Its not worth it.
Its not worth it unless you enjoy the playstyle and enjoy forcing people into that situation over and over, but if were all playing whats "worth it" then we can just delete 3/4's of the cast from the game now. These threads are still dumb and the shit people are asking for is comical. Nobody has any idea what a balanced game looks like and I dont claim to either, but its not one where fisticuffs can put up his chip buff in combos or after a nutpunch, and it sure as hell wasnt pre-nerf b1212.
