Question - Kenshi What changes Kenshi deserves if there is a new patch?

[Yoaks]

Lol well it depends on wether you dropped pre-patch or current patch Mileena for Kenshi.

Well. I mained Mileena until just after the beta had dropped. She's was just to boring and Kenshi is just cooler and more rewarding to win with. It helps too that I like him more as a character.

I really only picked her up cause of no Baraka.

 

[Yoaks]

I don't blame you. Mileena is so dull to play as.

Ethereal is really the only fun variation of hers. Ravenous turned out to be really... weird. I initially liked Ravenous the most once she was revealed cause of having no mask and her pounces were described as cmd grabs. So I thought she was gonna be somewhat like Shazam but she didn't turn out that way.

As for Piercing. She is dull to play. But I like watching Piercing in tournament. It's weird.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

I've always wondered if Kenshi was a fun character to play or not because of no projectile,teleport,etc. but I hear some of you guys say he's fun. Is he fun?

 

[SaltShaker]

I've always wondered if Kenshi was a fun character to play or not because of no projectile,teleport,etc. but I hear some of you guys say he's fun. Is he fun?

Kenshi is very fun to play. Can be frustrating at times and not very good, but very fun. It's why we are all still here lol.

 

[ismael4790]

I've always wondered if Kenshi was a fun character to play or not because of no projectile,teleport,etc. but I hear some of you guys say he's fun. Is he fun?

He's fun to play and a unique character in a game where zoning almost doesn't exist. However, don't pick him if you expect easy wins.

 

[ando1184]

Ya think they will fix the issue of his jump in 1 into strings not being true block strings?

 

[DC4-3]

In my opinion Kenshi needs more safe options or be safer in general. I think his 3223 string is -22(why?). I would like an overhead starter in balanced but that might be asking too much. And balanced needs a safe special.

 

[ismael4790]

In my opinion Kenshi needs more safe options or be safer in general. I think his 3223 string is -22(why?). I would like an overhead starter in balanced but that might be asking too much. And balanced needs a safe special.

3223 string is useless, absurdly negative.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Scales like crazy too.

 

[DC4-3]

3223 string is useless, absurdly negative.

I'm just a casual at this game, but I think he has too many mid strings in general. Mids for days won't win you matches.

 

[thlityoursloat]

There's nothing wrong with mid strings, look at Jason.

 

[ismael4790]

Seeing one of Ed Boon's recent twitter polls, it's super likely Kenshi will get some kind of buffs in the next patch.

I personally think Balanced is gonna get major buffs this time, since it's the variation that has received less attention until now, and is the worst of the three.

Get hype #meterburnteleflurryboyz #overheadslicenotsuckinganymore #expush+onblockorgohome #etc xD

 

[x-azeez]

#meterburnteleflurryboyz

I hope he gets this

 

[thlityoursloat]

I hope he gets this

On WHIFF. On hit or block it would be useless.
It would function a lot like QC's rune.

 

[ismael4790]

On WHIFF. On hit or block it would be useless.
It would function a lot like QC's rune.

Yes, that was the idea I mentioned, it has to be on whiff AND on block, just like Jacqui's MB df2.
It would add a lot of respect to his keepaway game.

Regular push needs to be a bit less negative imo too (it gets full combo punished mid range by some characters, it's ridiculous) and ex version has to be plus. Overhead slice significantly + on hit, ex version launching at least for teleflurry (and maybe having 1 hit of armor). Rising Karma is ok I think, maybe regular one should get a bit faster startup.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Yes, that was the idea I mentioned, it has to be on whiff AND on block, just like Jacqui's MB df2.
It would add a lot of respect to his keepaway game.

Regular push needs to be a bit less negative imo too (it gets full combo punished mid range by some characters, it's ridiculous) and ex version has to be plus.

+ OH slash should be more plus and EX OH slash launches. TF should also be slightly less -ve on whiff.
Bam, we'd have made it, boyz.

 

[ismael4790]

+ OH slash should be more plus and EX OH slash launches. TF should also be slightly less -ve on whiff.
Bam, we'd have made it, boyz.

If nrs wants, Balanced can be finally decent. This is his chance.

Possessed should get his f4 cancelable and the ability to teleport in the air.
Kenjutsu exdf1 needs to recapture, and regular db4 should be safer. Also regular df1 should be less negative than -10, at least if alien keeps his -7 overhead xD)

 

[thlityoursloat]

He can't be good though, he's not female.

NRS radical feminists confirmed.

 

[ando1184]

Ok all the buffs to his specials and everything is good and all, but let's not rule out the whiffing issues getting fixed. That's more of a necessity as well IMO. All of his specials suffer from this: rising karma, ex push, and tele furry have random whiff issues and sometimes it's while in a combo?!?

 

[DC4-3]

If nrs wants, Balanced can be finally decent. This is his chance.

Possessed should get his f4 cancelable and the ability to teleport in the air.
Kenjutsu exdf1 needs to recapture, and regular db4 should be safer.

What about Kenjutsu's db1? Could we have a couple more frames to work with on hit? The timing off a f2db1 or b3db1 into d1 seems pretty tight.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

ill just add some adjustments id like to see Kenjitsu get, not saying he is bad or anything just wanting something extra, if we look at it his F2 only real viable OH starter besides his DF1 special is hella unsafe except with a select few at max range ended with BF2. and his Meterless combos are a bit heavy on input timing basically any combo starting with DB1 into D1 or standing 1 then carried off that is kinda rediculous timing compared to the rest of cast which has at least something for meterless and is considerably easier to accomplish.


Id say id start with:

Kenjitsu:

• Rising Sword: recovery from 33 to 27 block advantage down to -9 from -12
• Spinning Blade: from -10 to -8 its a normal special and since most characters have a way to make there mixups safe why not him. NOTE: EX stays the same very punishable
• Tele Push: from - 13 to negative -10 (this would allow him to make his F2 a bit safer aginst some opf the cast with faster advancing normals and specials.)
• Tele Blast: EX version of tele push) stays the same on block -13, Recovery 42, startup 12, hit adv 22
• Blade Absorb: should heal for the amount of the projectile/move.

• Leaping Sword: from 27 to 20 startup.
• Head Splitter: stays the same if Tele Push get the changes a described above. but if Tele Push gets nothing make HS -12 on block.

universal changes:

• High Chop: make it 7 frame Startup from 9.
• Quick Strike: MAke it 7 frame Startup down from 9.
• Double Slap: Make its Startup 11 frames down from 13.
• Stun Strike: Startup down to 10 frames from 13

I feel Kenshi is a bit behind the guild with his slower frames, he does good considering but almost every other character has 7-8 frame startup high starters and 10 Startup or below mids while he has 9 frame highs and 13 frame mids. only person with worse mids that comes to mind is Bo rai cho, and even bo has better Starters and mixups.


The above i feel will help Kenshi out alot, and in Kenjitsu being his best would make him that A+ character he has always deserved.

The Rising sword adjustment is just so his meterless is a tiny bit easier to pull off than it is now he wouldn't have to wait till they almost touch ground to get out of recovery and be able to D1 or standing 1. He would have a 6 frame grace period to preform lets say:

B3 xx DB1, D1, B1 xx DB4/BF3



well thats what id want for Kenjitsu and after that id call him Perfect. At least thats all id need even though i do ok with him as of now. But as it stands if you try to mixup your opponent as of now kenshi gets easily full combo punished on every attempt. and id say thats not fair in this meta. Jax, Johnny, Mileena, Cassie, Tekada, Kung Lao, Kano, Triborg, Scorpion, Sub Zero, Sonya, Liu Kang, Raiden, Reptile and many more can safley perform or attempt and OH /Low while Kenshi Kenjitsu gets punished for his OH's. almost every other character either has safe options to mixup, or ways to make them safe or cancel pressure to help them do it safely.


I just can't believe that this character is overlooked or given less than the rest. yes Kenshi got alot of buffs last time around but it seems they held back alot when giving the adjustments.




All in all i would be happier with DB1 having a few more frames to deal with 6-7.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

How about Long hair maybe a swordsman outfit? id be down with that skin and it would be a win win for NRS. Money in there pocket and a new skin for kenshi.


something like this:

without the cape. just the Dragon Suit and long hair.

this is from Dracula Untold.

 

[Kenshi-Keanu-Kool]

YOU KNOW WHAT ? iM TIRED OF PPL JUST bloking all the time , just waiting for SC OR TS to come out , because they know they are plus , just to punish me with full combo . whats this bs ? so , they have no fear of my Specials on block ? Fu..THAT !!!!! SAFE SP , advantage TS on block , a fast safe 11 jab and im good .

 

[MadeOfMetal]

YOU KNOW WHAT ? iM TIRED OF PPL JUST bloking all the time , just waiting for SC OR TS to come out , because they know they are plus , just to punish me with full combo . whats this bs ? so , they have no fear of my Specials on block ? Fu..THAT !!!!! SAFE SP , advantage TS on block , a fast safe 11 jab and im good .

Kenshi needs buffs and why he Deserves it!

Spoiler: whats been happening since XL

we need to get some Charcater buffs and adjustments soon, and quit nerfing charcters so they have nothing left. If we keep nerfing all the charcaters we will have nothing fun left. My Cyrax and Cyber Sub Zero are boring as hell now. I hope we get some Buffs for Kenjitsu/balanced and many others.

Kenjitsu: imo needs a few less recovery frames after DB1 to combo easier meterless. And it couldn't hurt to change his Tele push on block to at least -9 so we can make F2 safe on block. its only fair when 90% of the cast has Safe as hell mixups specials and plus on block normals or some way to make them all safe.

just for example cuz i herd some people saying before that alien had safe oh tail flip and they thought noone should have that. Well NEWS Flash for ya, Most the cast does have safe oh's and lows. (i will elaborate on that later in my post.



Here is my Beef with Kenjitsu Kenshi and the shit end of the stick he got last patch for him.

last great patch for Kenshi this is all Kenjitsu got:

• Kenshi (Kenjutsu) - FK, BP, BP is now -4 on block (up from -8)
• Kenshi (Kenjutsu) - Away+BP is now -4 on block (up from -18)

BS right, and i asked for Kenjitsu to get safe OH or just his Tele Push BF2 which had medium range kinda short its a kenetic push that pushback opponets that are getting close, and i wanted it to be at least -9 on block instead of -13 as it is now. so he can make his F2 OH slash safe. and possibly make his DF1 noprmal version -7 not asking even for his metered version to be safe cuz it launches even though alot of the cast have plenty ways to do that or worse. but instead of someone talking it out in a reasonable debate i got this answer: i will not give names not here to make people look bad just get help for kenshi:

this person said: " why should kenshi get a safe OH or a safe low, noone on MKX should get safe oh's or lows and none of them have that, why should we giove that to kenshi"

Notr even kidding thats what was said, then the guy ranted on about how Aliens Safe OH tail flip is game breaking. and blah blah blah. and im like dude i get Alien is probably the best character in the game, but his tail flip has nothing top do with it, its only safe when not metered so it won't launch but there are several other things alien might need adjusted but the tail flip is not the problem, how about his auto tracking with JIP2 how even when she wiffs bam still his turn. but anyways.

Kenshi Kenjitsu literally has no way to safely use OH mixup so essientially he has mixups but doesn't at the same time. if your opponent is competant at all most of the time you will get full combo punished and if its in the corner and its Jacqui or Quan that can mean 2 touch or one touch death.


Lets look at the rest of the cast and what they can do?

I tested the following cast's moves against Kung Lao Tempest on block. Reversal [on] and set to Cyclone which is 7 frames startup. thats is one of the best specials in the game and one of the fastest so that should cover the entire cast for Normal 7 frame punishers special cancel reversals and so on.

• Cassie can make everything safe with EX flip and normal flip at max range not to mention Nut punch.

• Alien makes everything safe with Oh flip.

• Kano safe with DB1. and powerup.

• Kotal makes everything safe with EX sword and a few other tools including EX pizza.

• Sonya can make her shit safe with grenades and in CO makes it safe with stance.

• Liu Kang Flame fist: F4 low is safe, and his B2 Oh is safe. 113 oh is safe but has a gap between the 11[ ]3.

• Johnny cage can make everything safe with Cancel pressure. and in SD with clone. he is as safe as safe gets.

• Sub Zero is safe with Cryomancer and in Grandmaster with clone.

• Mileena is already safe.

• Tekada can do safe lows and ohs B2 into Plus 2 kuni yeah +2 thats a bit safer than safe, then he has a shit tone more than that HTB's and Pseudo unblockables.

• Predator has both safe lows and overheads and if not he has Safe laser in HQT and safe EX trap in Hunter so both safe moves and ways to make them safe as a backup plan i guess.

• Reptile Noxious:
• Reptile Nimble:
• Reptile Deceptive: all 3 has Safe Lows, Safe Oh's and slash which is safe and in deceptive has Invis to break armor and make shit safe.

• Kitana Mournful is safe on both Lows and OH's yes i said OH's and she has em. with shadow kick.

• Scorpion Ninjitsu: has safe OH and Lows and if not can make them safe with EX spear.

• Jacqui Briggs - Shotgun: HAs both safe OH's and Safe Lows and on top of that can make everything safe with DB2(-7 on block) get this makes everything safe with a low that can be metered and be used as a restand/combo extender, and DF2( is -1 on block) and EX BF2(0 on block) so everything is safe meterless.

• Raiden Thunder God: 34 is safe OH starter, and his B33 and B34 Lows are safe with LRC to make it safe, and his 214 low is safe.

• Shinnok Bone Shaper: F31U2(overhead) is safe and anything that isnt can be made safe with Hell Sparks from the pushback alone.

• Jason Slasher: F2/F4 low and Overhead Safe by them self and if matchup has a move that can beat it somehow you can use BF3 to make it safe as well as DF1.

• Jax Wrestler: 123 Low says -17 but at max range is safe against kung lao Cyclone which is 7 frames startup, B2 (OH) says negative -13 but pushback makes him safe, so sumed up he has both safe overheads and safe lows.
• Kung Jin Shaolin: B123 is a safe low, and his DB3D4 can be used to make strings safe if properly delayed, it will jail the opponet in the sense that they can not armor punish but does not allow him to jail into another move afterwards(just to be clear with me saying Jail) so you don't think i mean tradittional use of Jail. F24 Overhead can be made safe with EX DB3D4. so to quickly sum Kung Jin up he has safe strings and safe lows and ways to make him safe meterless and oh with meter but he has options to do so.

• Tanya Kobu Jutsu: B31 low and is safe on block -4 and B1 her Safe Overhead is -5 on block.

• Tremor Aftershock: 212 overhead is safe, 21D4 is safe, any streing into DB1. and DB3 can be used to get your turn back.

• Bo Rai Cho - Bartitsu: B14 (Mid OH Low) is safe on block, B3 (Low long reach) is safe at max range, F11 very long range Low starter and is safe. so BRC in Bartitsu has safe Oh's and Lows.

• Quan Chi Sorcerer: is safe with Max range B2, and safe with B2 held, and safe with 12 at max range and its a low.

Characters im not sure about cuz im kinda sick of testing each character but i have covered every single damn character in the game but a small hand full. Ferra Torr im sure can be safe, Goro sure can be safe, and Ermac. The small handful of characters that actually can not make there mixups safe: D'Vorah, Kung Lao, yep thats it and Letherface.


But what im getting at here is: 24 characters in this game out of 33 i confirmed above can either use safe Mixups or make them safe in some way. And Kenshi Kenjitsu can't even use an OH without getting full combo punished guaranteed. Kenjitsu to me is his Mixup variation and i love this variation very much its my favorite of Kenshi.

All I ask is that Kenshi Kenjitsu gets a safe DF1 on his normal DF1. his EX DF1 should remain Unsafe because it launches and i think thats fair. and one other thing is all he needs and he deserves it, his DB1 has way to much recovery, and should have at least 6 frames taken off so his meterless combos can be performed a bit easier. think of it in the since that when we press a button it takes about 7 frames on average to do so after seeing the animation. not talking reaction but you get me.

these two things would help Kenjitsu greatly and Kenshi deserves it as you can see above everyone else has what im asking for, and if everyone else has it with tools from Broken to dirty and Kenshi of all characters would not become broken from having this small change. If anyone else agrees / disagrees please tag me and reply with reason and respect and ill do the same. But if you are salty for whatever reason and you just don't like kenshi ill just let you know now ill most likey ignore you and any who ask what ive asked for Kenshi is completely fair and just.

# Make Kenshi Like the Rest. No More screwing over the Swordsman.

@Apex Kano

 

[MadeOfMetal]

YOU KNOW WHAT ? iM TIRED OF PPL JUST bloking all the time , just waiting for SC OR TS to come out , because they know they are plus , just to punish me with full combo . whats this bs ? so , they have no fear of my Specials on block ? Fu..THAT !!!!! SAFE SP , advantage TS on block , a fast safe 11 jab and im good .

btw what Kenshi do you use? Possessed/Balanced/Kenjitsu or all 3 and which one works best for you the majority of the time.