Discussion Variation Tier List (Post Patch)

[CrazyFingers]

Insane mobility, plus frames everywhere, huge mixup potential, huge damage, good zoning, amazing counter zoning and one of the best corner games in the game.

Also EX Teleport is one of the best moves in the game.

 

[Yer_Da]

Also EX Teleport is one of the best moves in the game.

Not to mention that he's much safer due to the shocker being a safe mid and EX vicinity blast being one of the best armoured moves in the game.

 

[Revenant Zero]

I agree with GM's placement; Unbreakable and Cryomancer should switch tier placements. GM definitely cover's a lot more MUs that GM and Cryomancer struggle in.

 

[myri]

Yup, keep downplaying Bo, you'll all regret it once you feel the mix.

Also still no Tempest Lao like c'mon.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Stunt Double sucks, Hellfire is definitely A+, Reptile is very good, Tigrar is miles better than Kuatan.

Reptile is not A+, he has a few 7/3 loosing matchups, Displacer Raiden, Pyro Tanya, GM Sub, HQT, and also a good amount of 6/4 agains the top tiers. Reptile is the most overated character in this game, and Displacer Raiden is the most underated.

 

[Zionix]

You probably havnt played any good stunt doubles latelly it is Cages best variation in this version, also that Reptile overating, wow, when will it stop, Slasher is not B Kobu is not B, Hellfire is not A+, actually Ninjitus is hes best variation, Metallic could be better, as what I put him in Tigra Fury is Goros worst variation, Mileena in general is very good,

I lost interest in your opinion at "stunt double is his best variation".

This isn't even your most outlandish comment. I didn't know somebody could be wrong so many times in one post.

In your original tier list you had hat-trick in the same tier as tempest LOL

You also put Cyrax at the bottom and nobody does that my homie.

Good day.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

I lost interest in your opinion at "stunt double is his best variation".

This isn't even your most outlandish comment. I didn't know somebody could be wrong so many times in one post.

In your original tier list you had hat-trick in the same tier as tempest LOL

You also put Cyrax at the bottom and nobody does that my homie.

Good day.

Have you played a good SD Cage post patch? hes the least affected Cage from the 3 variations, he still has hes wall unblockable set up, he has armored projectiles with active doubles, he has the best damage output, A-List suffered alot from the patch, 2 hitting armors kindda killed most run cancel characters. Watch REOs youtube channel where he used Predator and played a good SD Cage post patch, hes still amazing.

 

[imblackjames]

I don't think necro is that high at all. It's definitely not better than imposter.

I think mournful is too low

 

[imblackjames]

You can combo after devil flick, among other things

I need to see this lol i didn't think you could

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Reptile is not A+, he has a few 7/3 loosing matchups, Displacer Raiden, Pyro Tanya, GM Sub, HQT, and also a good amount of 6/4 agains the top tiers. Reptile is the most overated character in this game, and Displacer Raiden is the most underated.

Lmao Reptile IS a top zoner, has great 50/50s, and great mobility. With the spit buff, and 2 hit armor, Grandmaster for starters still being 7-3 is debatable. There isn't a variation in the entire game except Demo Sonya imo that doesn't have a 3-7 matchup so who cares?

 

[D7X]

Lmao Reptile IS a top zoner, has great 50/50s, and great mobility. With the spit buff, and 2 hit armor, Grandmaster for starters still being 7-3 is debatable. There isn't a variation in the entire game except Demo Sonya imo that doesn't have a 3-7 matchup so who cares?

He's definitely not a top zoner. He is like not even top 10 for zoning. I put Reptile at #10-12

 

[Dankster Morgan]

No particular order within a tier, I just went from the character select screen.

S1: Unstoppable Jason, Demolition Sonya, Grandmaster Sub, HQT Predator, Boneshaper Shinnok, Mystic Ermac, Smoke

S2: Special Forces Sonya, Hellfire Scorpion, EyhLasher Takeda, SR Takeda, Imposter Shinnok, Commando Kano, Dragon's Fire Liu, Deceptive Reptile, Displacer Raiden, Summoner Quan, Sektor

A1: Relentless Jason, Slasher Jason, Covert Ops Sonya, Possessed Kenshi, RS Kitana, Assassin Kitana, Mournful Kitana, Ninjutsu Scorpion, Cryomancer Sub, Unbreakable Sub, Piercing Mileena, Ravenous Mileena, Shotgun Jacqui, FA Jacqui, Shaolin KJ, Pyro Tanya, Killer Leatherface, Cutthroat Kano, Cybernetic Kano, Flame Fist Liu, Spectral Ermac, Nimble Reptile, Noxius Reptile, Sorcerer Quan, Crystalline Tremor, Aftershock Tremor

A2: Acidic Alien, Konjurer Alien, Tempest Lao, Buzzsaw Lao, Wrestler Jax, Ronin Takeda, Hollywood Cassie, Brawler Cassie, Bojutsu KJ, DN Tanya, Kobu Tanya, Warrior Predator, Necromancer Shinnok, Dualist Liu, MOS Ermac, Sun God Kotal, Ruthless F/T, Tigrar Goro, DF Goro

B1: Hat Trick Lao, Ancestral KJ, BRC's 3 variations, Butcher Leatherface, A-List Cage, Fisticuffs Cage, Gunslinger Erron Black, War God Kotal, Blood God Kotal, D'Vorah's 3 variations, Thunder God Raiden, Cyber Sub-Zero, Cyrax

B2: Heavy Weapons Jax, Spec Ops Cassie, PL Leatherface, Hunter Predator, SD Cage Marksman Erron Black, Viscous F/T, MOS Raiden, Warlock Quan, Kuatan Goro, Metallic Tremor

B3: Tarkatan Alien, Pumped Up Jax, Balanced Kenshi, Kenjutsu Kenshi, Inferno Scorpion, HT Jacqui, Outlaw Erron Black, Lackey F/T

 

[Dankster Morgan]

He's definitely not a top zoner. He is like not even top 10 for zoning. I put Reptile at #10-12

Name 10-12 better zoners

 

[Matix218]

No particular order within a tier, I just went from the character select screen.

S1: Unstoppable Jason, Demolition Sonya, Grandmaster Sub, HQT Predator, Boneshaper Shinnok, Mystic Ermac, Smoke

S2: Special Forces Sonya, RS Kitana, Hellfire Scorpion, Ethereal Mileena, Lasher Takeda, SR Takeda, Imposter Shinnok, Commando Kano, Dragon's Fire Liu, Deceptive Reptile, Displacer Raiden, Summoner Quan, Sektor

A1: Relentless Jason, Slasher Jason, Covert Ops Sonya, Possessed Kenshi, Assassin Kitana, Mournful Kitana, Ninjutsu Scorpion, Cryomancer Sub, Unbreakable Sub, Piercing Mileena, Ravenous Mileena, Shotgun Jacqui, FA Jacqui, Shaolin KJ, Pyro Tanya, Killer Leatherface, Cutthroat Kano, Cybernetic Kano, Flame Fist Liu, Spectral Ermac, Nimble Reptile, Noxius Reptile, Sorcerer Quan, Crystalline Tremor, Aftershock Tremor

A2: Acidic Alien, Konjurer Alien, Tempest Lao, Buzzsaw Lao, Wrestler Jax, Ronin Takeda, Hollywood Cassie, Brawler Cassie, Bojutsu KJ, DN Tanya, Kobu Tanya, Warrior Predator, Necromancer Shinnok, Dualist Liu, MOS Ermac, Sun God Kotal, Ruthless F/T, Tigrar Goro, DF Goro

B1: Hat Trick Lao, Ancestral KJ, BRC's 3 variations, Butcher Leatherface, A-List Cage, Fisticuffs Cage, Gunslinger Erron Black, War God Kotal, Blood God Kotal, D'Vorah's 3 variations, Thunder God Raiden, Cyber Sub-Zero, Cyrax

B2: Heavy Weapons Jax, Spec Ops Cassie, PL Leatherface, Hunter Predator, SD Cage Marksman Erron Black, Viscous F/T, MOS Raiden, Warlock Quan, Kuatan Goro, Metallic Tremor

B3: Tarkatan Alien, Pumped Up Jax, Balanced Kenshi, Kenjutsu Kenshi, Inferno Scorpion, HT Jacqui, Outlaw Erron Black, Lackey F/T

This I agree with much more than the OP. I admit I dont know if Tarkaten is that low but this makes much more sense overall

 

[Dankster Morgan]

This I agree with much more than the OP. I admit I dont know if Tarkaten is that low but this makes much more sense overall

Tarkatan could go slightly up maybe, I just genuinely feel like he is that low. He isn't "terrible", i just really don't think so. I could explain my reasoning if you want.

 

[imblackjames]

How is inferno scorpion better than drunken master and balanced

And venomous dvorah should not be that high. Not at all

 

[imblackjames]

No particular order within a tier, I just went from the character select screen.

S1: Unstoppable Jason, Demolition Sonya, Grandmaster Sub, HQT Predator, Boneshaper Shinnok, Mystic Ermac, Smoke

S2: Special Forces Sonya, RS Kitana, Hellfire Scorpion, Ethereal Mileena, Lasher Takeda, SR Takeda, Imposter Shinnok, Commando Kano, Dragon's Fire Liu, Deceptive Reptile, Displacer Raiden, Summoner Quan, Sektor

A1: Relentless Jason, Slasher Jason, Covert Ops Sonya, Possessed Kenshi, Assassin Kitana, Mournful Kitana, Ninjutsu Scorpion, Cryomancer Sub, Unbreakable Sub, Piercing Mileena, Ravenous Mileena, Shotgun Jacqui, FA Jacqui, Shaolin KJ, Pyro Tanya, Killer Leatherface, Cutthroat Kano, Cybernetic Kano, Flame Fist Liu, Spectral Ermac, Nimble Reptile, Noxius Reptile, Sorcerer Quan, Crystalline Tremor, Aftershock Tremor

A2: Acidic Alien, Konjurer Alien, Tempest Lao, Buzzsaw Lao, Wrestler Jax, Ronin Takeda, Hollywood Cassie, Brawler Cassie, Bojutsu KJ, DN Tanya, Kobu Tanya, Warrior Predator, Necromancer Shinnok, Dualist Liu, MOS Ermac, Sun God Kotal, Ruthless F/T, Tigrar Goro, DF Goro

B1: Hat Trick Lao, Ancestral KJ, BRC's 3 variations, Butcher Leatherface, A-List Cage, Fisticuffs Cage, Gunslinger Erron Black, War God Kotal, Blood God Kotal, D'Vorah's 3 variations, Thunder God Raiden, Cyber Sub-Zero, Cyrax

B2: Heavy Weapons Jax, Spec Ops Cassie, PL Leatherface, Hunter Predator, SD Cage Marksman Erron Black, Viscous F/T, MOS Raiden, Warlock Quan, Kuatan Goro, Metallic Tremor

B3: Tarkatan Alien, Pumped Up Jax, Balanced Kenshi, Kenjutsu Kenshi, Inferno Scorpion, HT Jacqui, Outlaw Erron Black, Lackey F/T

Why is konjurer so high?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Why is konjurer so high?

He still has Alien's base tools which are good and the zoning tools are pretty good. He can do a lot of the stuff he could pre patch and imo his game wasn't changed as much as Tarkatan's or other characters like that. Plus he's not really that high on the list, he's chillin with Goro, Warrior, and Necromancer

 

[Dankster Morgan]

And the thing that makes Cryomancer really good isn't the tick throws. If he does a lot of F12 tick, F42 tick and stuff like that, he's gonna get his ass kicked. B3 tick is easily his most useful and least gimmicky tick. Most of the command grabs will/should come from the neutral, not telegraphed off of shitty strings.

He's good because if he knocks you down and gets the momentum he is going to rape you, he can suffocate you in the corner, and he has some of if not the best mixing potential in the game right now, especially with the inclusion of B3 tick.

 

[Doombawkz]

I need to see this lol i didn't think you could

This is a pretty rough example, but this is the gist of it.

 

[imblackjames]

He still has Alien's base tools which are good and the zoning tools are pretty good. He can do a lot of the stuff he could pre patch and imo his game wasn't changed as much as Tarkatan's or other characters like that. Plus he's not really that high on the list, he's chillin with Goro, Warrior, and Necromancer

Id just have put him in b2 personally. Yea he's alien but he gingerly might as well be variationless i think both of the other ones do what he does but better.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Id just have put him in b2 personally. Yea he's alien but he gingerly might as well be variationless i think both of the other ones do what he does but better.

I don't think Tarkatan serves any purpose to Alien but yeah I get what you're saying.

 

[NHDR]

Although I do think Cybernetic is solid, I don't think he's better than Cutthroat or Commando.

 

[D7X]

Name 10-12 better zoners

Summoner
Hish Qu Ten
Piercing
Necrocancer (Probably)
Bone Shaper
Possessed
Cybernetic
Kitana
Pyromancer
Gunslinger
Liu Kang
Full Auto
Sorcerer

 

[D7X]

No particular order within a tier, I just went from the character select screen.

S1: Unstoppable Jason, Demolition Sonya, Grandmaster Sub, HQT Predator, Boneshaper Shinnok, Mystic Ermac, Smoke

S2: Special Forces Sonya, RS Kitana, Hellfire Scorpion, Ethereal Mileena, Lasher Takeda, SR Takeda, Imposter Shinnok, Commando Kano, Dragon's Fire Liu, Deceptive Reptile, Displacer Raiden, Summoner Quan, Sektor

A1: Relentless Jason, Slasher Jason, Covert Ops Sonya, Possessed Kenshi, Assassin Kitana, Mournful Kitana, Ninjutsu Scorpion, Cryomancer Sub, Unbreakable Sub, Piercing Mileena, Ravenous Mileena, Shotgun Jacqui, FA Jacqui, Shaolin KJ, Pyro Tanya, Killer Leatherface, Cutthroat Kano, Cybernetic Kano, Flame Fist Liu, Spectral Ermac, Nimble Reptile, Noxius Reptile, Sorcerer Quan, Crystalline Tremor, Aftershock Tremor

A2: Acidic Alien, Konjurer Alien, Tempest Lao, Buzzsaw Lao, Wrestler Jax, Ronin Takeda, Hollywood Cassie, Brawler Cassie, Bojutsu KJ, DN Tanya, Kobu Tanya, Warrior Predator, Necromancer Shinnok, Dualist Liu, MOS Ermac, Sun God Kotal, Ruthless F/T, Tigrar Goro, DF Goro

B1: Hat Trick Lao, Ancestral KJ, BRC's 3 variations, Butcher Leatherface, A-List Cage, Fisticuffs Cage, Gunslinger Erron Black, War God Kotal, Blood God Kotal, D'Vorah's 3 variations, Thunder God Raiden, Cyber Sub-Zero, Cyrax

B2: Heavy Weapons Jax, Spec Ops Cassie, PL Leatherface, Hunter Predator, SD Cage Marksman Erron Black, Viscous F/T, MOS Raiden, Warlock Quan, Kuatan Goro, Metallic Tremor

B3: Tarkatan Alien, Pumped Up Jax, Balanced Kenshi, Kenjutsu Kenshi, Inferno Scorpion, HT Jacqui, Outlaw Erron Black, Lackey F/T

Nimble is better than Deceptive this patch