I don't agree with the order but that's defiantly correct.
Sonicfox sure plays some part as representing those chars in tournies but u guys are really ignoring the fact that :
56% mid screen off a wakeup. The best setups and traps in the game. Really far armoured attack that goes almost full screen. The only place hes lacking is mixups and wakeups. And ex trap or low shot in hqt fixes that.
I think shinnoks fine from nerfs and buffs. Good offense low defense hes a good charcter but not totally broken.
Sorry thought u were talking about quan chi I dont know why lol.
calling 21122 a 25/25/25/25 coin flip string is absolutely ridiculous. Its good, sure, but if you knew the matchup (which you clearly don't, because then you would know that there is no gap in 21122xxEX grenade to armor, and you can let yourself out by taking the last hit) you would know that certain cancel points are much more preferable than others making the read much more manageable. You get a full combo punish if you guess right, so it's a dangerous a game for EB himself.
Who has what tool is completely irrelevant.
Chill with the bolded part please.
I said that without the SonicFox part and I still got blown up about it. I'll say this in light of this conversation that Kitana is not upper mid tier, just mid tier.
Kitana is top 10 because of unbreakable damage, really good pressure in mournful, and very good mobility. SF just showed he can play any character with good tools that's all, I really don't think people are up playing her. She's a Sid character now and definitely fits in the top 10 slots imo.
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Yeh i didn't think that list was ordered and I agree with it mostly but some characters could possibly not be considered top 10 like Tanya, raiden, and maybe jax. Since the nerfs raiden and Tanya lost a lot of their threat factor imo, only MoS raiden is being played and it's much easier to deal with over the rest of the list and Tanya seems like she got hit like black Adam from injustice. She's still good but has to work a lot harder than before and she just seems more limited overall than kitana imo. Like I said, since kitana has mournful (which is a very solid variation), I think that covers her matchups that she has trouble in RS and vice versa. She builds meter very well, does unbreakable damage (which later on I'm sure we will see more use of), great mobility, high combo damage, and good pressure/chip traps (mournful), as well as overhead fullscreen projectiles (mournful), if that's not a top 10 character in a fighting game then idk what is. I also noticed you didn't list LK in your list, why not?
Tanya is definitely top ten.
Are you implying that Kitana is better than Raiden, Jax and Tanya? Okay.
Better than raiden and Tanya yes, maybe or maybe not jax, hence I said "maybe." (Puts on Cavalar vest and helmet) Go on, I'm ready for the blowup now
Well, Kitana is good, there's no question about it, but better than these characters... no.Better than raiden and Tanya yes, maybe or maybe not jax, hence I said "maybe." (Puts on Cavalar vest and helmet) Go on, I'm ready for the blowup now
Because take away his pseudo block infinite (which is most definitely gonna be patched pretty soon) and you have a solid mid tier character.
This is my list, no order and yeh sayin raiden was out of line but kitana is better than Tanya definitely.
But characters like Shinnok are only in discussion because of the Boneshaper variation, not for Necro and Imposter.
But for now solid top ten
Well, I'm not gonna argue with you, but KJ Tanya is a top 5 character, dude. People have this tendency to think a character is top 10 because a good PLAYER placed with him/her, like Sonic Fox. It's funny when you think about it. She was horrible day one, got lots of buffs, became a solid character until someone achieved something with her that now some people think she's top 10. lol