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The World Has No More Room For Monsters: Swamp Thing General Discussion

1man3letters

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
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D. R. said:
Now the kicker. He does horrible against zoners. Log trades are not in his favor, vine grab trades are not in his favor and clone trades are not in his favor. Characters like Dr. Fate and Firestorm just fuck him fullscreen. He should be able to meterburn vine grab to get armor and win the trade and/or MB clone should hold the opponent much longer to give ST some advantage to advance. He needs some help there.

Tl;dr
- Buff recovery on trait so it can be used mid combo.
- Reduce frames on b3
- Make MB tree AA always hit.
- Give him a way to contest zoners if he has meter.
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yea as stated already i was worried the mb clone grab wouldnt be that good that doing its job, thats a issue, especially on trade when the clone doesnt hold opponent long enough to gain ground.
thought vine grabs wouldnt be much use vs zoners eithers because of trades.
is his dash too long to make use of mb roll effectively? shorter the dash the better it seems when it comes to mb rolls

ye hopefully something is found with trait cause its still looking very ass atm
 
1man3letters

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
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finally some trait stuff being labbed out, wonder can u get on top of their body after a log kick ender aswell as id say the 30 frame 2 mightnt be useful in the higher gravity combos....man the waiting game is a hard one to play :(

anyways....
https://twitter.com/xCupcakeNS/status/863612029021585408

also anyone that have the game atm, does swamp thing garden go away when hes pushblocked or does it stay?
EDIT: found out it goes away
 
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CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

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1man3letters said:
finally some trait stuff being labbed out, wonder can u get on top of their body after a log kick ender aswell as id say the 30 frame 2 mightnt be useful in the higher gravity combos....man the waiting game is a hard one to play :(

anyways....
https://twitter.com/xCupcakeNS/status/863800720386138112

also anyone that have the game atm, does swamp thing garden go away when hes pushblocked or does it stay?
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don't worry man. I get it tomorrow night and i'll do enough labbing for the lot of us!
 
RNLDRGN

RNLDRGN

RONALD ROGAN
CrazyFingers said:
i kind of made Killer work, I'm making this character work. I'm duty bound.
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He already looks better than Shazam so I'm somewhat happy. Not having to guess high/low for his command grab seems great. I have a strong feeling maining him will require a backup--usually pretty standard for NRS games if you don't play an S tier.
 
D. R.

D. R.

Kombatant
RNLDRGN said:
He already looks better than Shazam so I'm somewhat happy. Not having to guess high/low for his command grab seems great. I have a strong feeling maining him will require a backup--usually pretty standard for NRS games if you don't play an S tier.
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You'll need a back up for zoners.

As I said, pray for a day 1 patch. If he gets some tweaks then he'll be viable. I can't upload vids from PS4 directly to YouTube so if anything I'll potato it again and record his tech I've found on my phone and upload in regards to set ups and combos.

He seriously needs help against fast zoners. Lol It's really bad, like 3-7, hell 2-8 bad.
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

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D. R. said:
You'll need a back up for zoners.

As I said, pray for a day 1 patch. If he gets some tweaks then he'll be viable. I can't upload vids from PS4 directly to YouTube so if anything I'll potato it again and record his tech I've found on my phone and upload in regards to set ups and combos.

He seriously needs help against fast zoners. Lol It's really bad, like 3-7, hell 2-8 bad.
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calm. down. game literally isn't even out yet. this kind of jumping to conclusions leads to really shitty design.
 
RNLDRGN

RNLDRGN

RONALD ROGAN
D. R. said:
You'll need a back up for zoners.

As I said, pray for a day 1 patch. If he gets some tweaks then he'll be viable. I can't upload vids from PS4 directly to YouTube so if anything I'll potato it again and record his tech I've found on my phone and upload in regards to set ups and combos.

He seriously needs help against fast zoners. Lol It's really bad, like 3-7, hell 2-8 bad.
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Seems a little early to count out patience, MB clone grab, MB dash/roll, log, etc all as trades or somewhat viable.

Let's wait a few days before the alarmism.
 
1man3letters

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
D. R. said:
You'll need a back up for zoners.

As I said, pray for a day 1 patch. If he gets some tweaks then he'll be viable. I can't upload vids from PS4 directly to YouTube so if anything I'll potato it again and record his tech I've found on my phone and upload in regards to set ups and combos.

He seriously needs help against fast zoners. Lol It's really bad, like 3-7, hell 2-8 bad.
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if ya dont feel like going potato you can upload from ps4 to twitter if u have on, doesnt seem to have a block like youtube/twitch
 
D. R.

D. R.

Kombatant
CrazyFingers said:
calm. down. game literally isn't even out yet. this kind of jumping to conclusions leads to really shitty design.
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It. Is. Out. This isn't rocket science. You act like I haven't tested multiple options against players in a lab environment. You must not know who I am.

RNLDRGN said:
Seems a little early to count out patience, MB clone grab, MB dash/roll, log, etc all as trades or somewhat viable.

Let's wait a few days before the alarmism.
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- You can only be so patient watching the opponent build meter zoning you.
- MB clone grab is slow, reactable and doesn't win in trades at all.
- His MB dash is a looooong animation compared to others. It recovers slow and some zoners can poke you before you can initiate anything even if you did it to beat out their projectile
- Log is ass. He's stuck in the animation until it disappears off the screen so no advancing on block and hardly anything on hit

Zoning is incredibly strong in this game. You all don't know because you don't have it. He needs a sure fire way to contest it at least with meter, perhaps letting vine grab get armor with a bar or having MB clone hold the opponent for a longer amount of time on trades.

Also what's fucking retarded is his vine grab is high. I can't get past that. It is insanely easy to react to in the neutral as a zoner and you can literally walk/dash right through it effortlessly and it has shit recovery. I hardly if ever use it honestly. The AA version is great though due to its speed.
 
CrazyFingers

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D. R. said:
It. Is. Out. This isn't rocket science. You act like I haven't tested multiple options against players in a lab environment. You must not know who I am.



- You can only be so patient watching the opponent build meter zoning you.
- MB clone grab is slow, reactable and doesn't win in trades at all.
- His MB dash is a looooong animation compared to others. It recovers slow and some zoners can poke you before you can initiate anything even if you did it to beat out their projectile
- Log is ass. He's stuck in the animation until it disappears off the screen so no advancing on block and hardly anything on hit

Zoning is incredibly strong in this game. You all don't know because you don't have it. He needs a sure fire way to contest it at least with meter, perhaps letting vine grab get armor with a bar or having MB clone hold the opponent for a longer amount of time on trades.

Also what's fucking (soap bar in my mouth) is his vine grab is high. I can't get past that. It is insanely easy to react to in the neutral as a zoner and you can literally walk/dash right through it effortlessly and it has shit recovery. I hardly if ever use it honestly. The AA version is great though due to its speed.
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i do know who you are, and not even you are going to find everything days before the actual full release of the game. Multiple people working simultaneously don't find everything that fast, let alone one person.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
It sucks that D. R. as one of the better lab monsters is saying that ST is ass mainly because I figured this would be a character with a lot of crazy tech and D. R. is good at finding stuff like the dank Aftershock set up from way back and a good deal of Imposter stuff. Either way good luck guys lol
 
RNLDRGN

RNLDRGN

RONALD ROGAN
D. R. said:
It. Is. Out. This isn't rocket science. You act like I haven't tested multiple options against players in a lab environment. You must not know who I am.



- You can only be so patient watching the opponent build meter zoning you.
- MB clone grab is slow, reactable and doesn't win in trades at all.
- His MB dash is a looooong animation compared to others. It recovers slow and some zoners can poke you before you can initiate anything even if you did it to beat out their projectile
- Log is ass. He's stuck in the animation until it disappears off the screen so no advancing on block and hardly anything on hit

Zoning is incredibly strong in this game. You all don't know because you don't have it. He needs a sure fire way to contest it at least with meter, perhaps letting vine grab get armor with a bar or having MB clone hold the opponent for a longer amount of time on trades.

Also what's fucking (soap bar in my mouth) is his vine grab is high. I can't get past that. It is insanely easy to react to in the neutral as a zoner and you can literally walk/dash right through it effortlessly and it has shit recovery. I hardly if ever use it honestly. The AA version is great though due to its speed.
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Day 1 patch incoming plz Ed.
 
EMPEROR_KNICKS

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
He does struggle against zoners bc you can hit him out of his guy that grabs you from behind after you xx it but all they need to do is either let you combo off trade or ve invinivle if it connencts on hit he also has bad walk speed and forward dash
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

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EMPEROR_KNICKS said:
He does struggle against zoners bc you can hit him out of his guy that grabs you from behind after you xx it but all they need to do is either let you combo off trade or ve invinivle if it connencts on hit he also has bad walk speed and forward dash
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well yea he's supposed to, he's a grappler. Grapplers are "Get zoned but have a crazy good up close game"
 
D. R.

D. R.

Kombatant
EMPEROR_KNICKS said:
This isnt true lol his combos do decent damage 38 percent of a bnb lol a tick throw that combos on blck and hit and his trait is godtier in the corner
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D. R. said:
I'm at work but had this on my phone.
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If you'd only read just a little more...

And what wake ups have you tested it against? The only viable option I've found to set up trait is essentially end a combo in MBdb2, d2~trait, then cross up j1 into whatever since it reverses inputs. Trait recovers too slow to set up otherwise and you're forced to block or burn a bar on f3 armor which means you're trying to set up trait with two bars. Also it goes away on push block.

So how is it God tier again?
 
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