The Patch's Real Injustice: Superman's breath still positive on block

[xInfra Deadx]

I did with Ares' MB B3 which is supposed to be not possible (from what I hear).

Sadly, it doesn't make it practical for which the timing really has to be tight. I'll test it out, but I still have my doubts...

Edit: Pending that if he has his trait active, it's still not a good idea to MBB3 for that reason.

Another edit. It does work! At least I have an option now...

 

[Compbros]

The meterburn b3/f3 for the flash atleast is weird sometimes it will work sometimes it won't. Regardless superman's trait break armor and he can just simply backdash or crossover.

I'll test it but if Supes has his trait active then just get hit with the breath. It's 9 percent to get away from the pressure.

Sadly, it doesn't make it practical for which the timing really has to be tight. I'll test it out, but I still have my doubts...

Please do, I'd like as much data on this as possible.

 

[Hellion_96]

I'll test it but if Supes has his trait active then just get hit with the breath. It's 9 percent to get away from the pressure.

I def know it sounds like i'm crying about superman but I'm not. But if the best option out of something is to use meter and pray or take take damage, then the string is godlike. It's like kabals f3 being 8 frames

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

Night wing doesn't have an 8 frame mid that out reaches everything that leads to 38-40+%

You play nightwing and you're complaining about f23 breath? You realize he can just d1 right after breath in staff right? And then you can start your offense. It's not scrubby to use a tool a character has, what's scrubby is complaining about a move someone has instead of learning how to adapt to it.

 

[Compbros]

I def know it sounds like i'm crying about superman but I'm not. But if the best option out of something is to use meter and pray or take take damage, then the string is godlike. It's like kabals f3 being 8 frames

Isn't Flash's backdash really good? Is this not an option for Flash?

 

[Hellion_96]

You play nightwing and you're complaining about f23 breath? You realize he can just d1 right after breath in staff right? And then you can start your offense. It's not scrubby to use a tool a character has, what's scrubby is complaining about a move someone has instead of learning how to adapt to it.

I play flash..... I know every way out of it (read the post i posted before this) and every way out of it is a prayer or can be easily baited since the superman player will obviously know your options. It sounds like iam crying but i'm not iam just stating it's scrubby as fuck.

 

[Solid]

Prove what go to practice mode yourself record the superman loop and try to beat it. b3/f3 mb gets beat if it's slow, backdashes can work but is hard, risky, and is easily scouted and pushblock obviously works. Some characters like aquaman can trade the followup with a just frame poke or uppercut which can be punished if superman delays the next loop. You can jump and you will only take the first hit which can work but not ideal or you could take the breath and go full screen. There's plenty of ways out of it my point was that its extremely scrubby.

Night wing doesn't have an 8 frame mid that out reaches everything that leads to 38-40+%

All true. So what? Flash's Safe Overhead Low mix ups are also very scrubby. I don't go in the Flash forums to cry about it. I post stuff like that in our match up thread and find a way to deal with it etc. If they take away that 8 frame mid Superman would be ruined. The plus one breath they could leave at neutral on block and everybody will be able to deal with it with out ever needing to make a read and spent any meter. Superman has NO high low mix up's. His damage is not even close to what it was, especially in the corner (His really high damaging corner combo's would never be used in tournament play for their imparcticality). That 8 frame advancing mid he has is his only move that truly makes him good. After a couple of months Superman will be A tier. But if people keep complaining he will get the Deathstroke treatment and we all know that NRS won't think twice to deliver that kryptonite.

 

[Dandy J]

Now come on, his damage is VERY close to what it was. They basically didn't change him, they only took away the damage of a suboptimal but really cool combo for no reason.

I do agree that f2 is too fast, but at least a risk is taken every time f23 is performed (not against every character, I know, but vs the other top tiers). If it's backdashed, full combo punish. If it's jabbed, full combo punish. Example, Nightwing can do his +9 ground stab into a hi low and if you backdash, you get nothing. It's all about the risk. I play Superman myself and I know in the long run I'm going to switch to a character with much less risk in their offense.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

After a couple of months Superman will be A tier. But if people keep complaining he will get the Deathstroke treatment and we all know that NRS won't think twice to deliver that kryptonite.

This is the most important part. It's the same reason they didn't nerf Adam. Superman does have some high low though, to be fair.

 

[Hellion_96]

I DO NOT WANT SUPERMAN NERFED....I was just saying that it's scrubby. lol at flash being scrubby. Flash has gaping holes one safe special and his best string is 15 frames. Would you play superman if hs f2 was 15frames? Solid

 

[Compbros]

Define "scrubby" for me.

 

[The Gabriel]

Now come on, his damage is VERY close to what it was. They basically didn't change him, they only took away the damage of a suboptimal but really cool combo for no reason.

I do agree that f2 is too fast, but at least a risk is taken every time f23 is performed (not against every character, I know, but vs the other top tiers). If it's backdashed, full combo punish. If it's jabbed, full combo punish. Example, Nightwing can do his +9 ground stab into a hi low and if you backdash, you get nothing. It's all about the risk. I play Superman myself and I know in the long run I'm going to switch to a character with much less risk in their offense.

And that's our problem: the risk is reduced to practically ZERO against several cast members.

 

[Solid]

I DO NOT WANT SUPERMAN NERFED....I was just saying that it's scrubby. lol at flash being scrubby. Flash has gaping holes one safe special and his best string is 15 frames. Would you play superman if hs f2 was 15frames? Solid

Dude my main is Green Arrow. "The Longbow hunter". I also have a 15 frame overhead that only leads to what be considered mediocre damage in the corner. His next best string starts at 13. I know what it's like.

 

[Hellion_96]

Dude my main is Green Arrow. "The Longbow hunter". I also have a 15 frame overhead that only leads to what be considered mediocre damage in the corner. His next best string starts at 13. I know what it's like.

Then you know what i'm talking about. My whole attitude is why does this game have extremely scrubby stuff but deathstroke gets nerfed? All i want is some flash buffs and some buffs here or there to make the game more balanced.

 

[Solid]

Then you know what i'm talking about. My whole attitude is why does this game have extremely scrubby stuff but deathstroke gets nerfed? All i want is some flash buffs and some buffs here or there to make the game more balanced.

Well I would be happy if Flash got buffs, he is already a nightmare up close but I will pushblock that mofo post buff too. I just don't like people saying stuff about Superman. F2 is good. It should stay good.

 

[Hellion_96]

Well I would be happy if Flash got buffs, he is already a nightmare up close but I will pushblock that mofo post buff too. I just don't like people saying stuff about Superman. F2 is good. It should stay good.

F2 is nothing compared to killer frost slide now that is the scrubbiest thing i have ever seen in a game

 

[Qwark28]

Anyone complaining about a +1 move is on something special, some characters can backdash it, I think you can jump back, MBF3, pushblock. People complain about this but don't complain about Nightwings Staff stance +strings which are ALL OF THEM? Please.

noone is complaining about a +1 move. theyre complaining about the 7f followup which advancing ridiculously far and hit confirms to a half life combo

 

[xKhaoTik]

Thank God I have a parry.

 

[xKhaoTik]

F2 is nothing compared to killer frost slide now that is the scrubbiest thing i have ever seen in a game

Lol chill out. Slide is NO priority at all. Everything beats it and the most she can get is a trade. Once people start punishing slide on reaction, then they will realize how It's not that strong.

 

[MrAvA]

I DO NOT WANT SUPERMAN NERFED....I was just saying that it's scrubby. lol at flash being scrubby. Flash has gaping holes one safe special and his best string is 15 frames. Would you play superman if hs f2 was 15frames? Solid

I would still play superman if his breath was -10 it doesn't matter. You think every superman player picks him so then they can just win with F23. You know that there are people who just actually like superman and not his F23 . This is a fight gaming there are such thing as bad MU's. My friend uses catwomen and its a bad mu for me but I don't bitch I adapt, because I adapt his play style it reached to the point that I'm playing the player not the character.

Edit: Oh you think F23 is scrubby? Have you every played Marvel because that game is F^&* scrubby. So STOP drag this on and adapt for god sake. You act like your main was nerf like deathstroke in which this case they have the right to complain.

 

[Hellion_96]

I would still play superman if his breath was -10 it doesn't matter. You think every superman player picks him so then they can just win with F23. You know that there are people who just actually like superman and not his F23 . This is a fight gaming there are such thing as bad MU's. My friend uses catwomen and its a bad mu for me but I don't bitch I adapt, because I adapt his play style it reached to the point that I'm playing the player not the character.

Edit: Oh you think F23 is scrubby? Have you every played Marvel because that game is F^&* scrubby. So STOP drag this on and adapt for god sake. You act like your main was nerf like deathstroke in which this case they have the right to complain.

You obviously either didn't read any of my posts or didn't understand anything i posted. And who the hell cares about marvel i'm in the injustice boards on a website for injustice

 

[MrAvA]

You obviously either didn't read any of my posts or didn't understand anything i posted. And who the hell cares about marvel i'm in the injustice boards on a website for injustice

You complaining about his followup F2 which is 7 frame and with online its harder to punish. Ya I don't know.

 

[Hellion_96]

You complaining about his followup F2 which is 7 frame and with online its harder to punish. Ya I don't know.

I listed every way out of it, never mentioned online once, and stated multiple times i don't want him nerfed. My one and only point was it's scrubby as fuck

 

[MrAvA]

I listed every way out of it, never mentioned online once, and stated multiple times i don't want him nerfed. My one and only point was it's scrubby as fuck

If you don't play online and only offline then it should be easier for you. LEARN that's how you beat it. I play online and my friends are those low tier heros who can beat me. Your trying to point f23 is scrubby OK, now what? Are you gonna stay in this thread until everyone know superman's f23 is scrubby or you gonna let it go and do something about it. Level up your flash so that you want them so be scrubby with that F23 and punish them. Stop hold yourself back and level up.

 

[Sasuga]

Don't take the nerfs/buffs too seriously at this moment. They are not done patching. They seem to be doing this in phases. With every DLC character there will most probably be rebalance adjustments.

Also keep in mind that it takes time to test stuff. I think at the time Lobo came out, they were just testing the current 1.03 patch. This particular Superman adjustment probably was just a little too late for the current patch, if you ask me.